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A little perspective on App State vs. FBS

Come on and hurry up Saturday!Ten times this decade App State has taken on a big boy.

Number of wins? Two.

Heck, App’s only led at the half of such a game thrice! All three instances were recorded within the city limits of either Winston-Salem or Ann Arbor. Elsewhere, well, twasn’t pretty.

Below is a brief history of App State-Big Boy collisions in the Double Naughts. We give ya the halftime score, final, total App offense, total defense and the number of Mountaineer … /slight pause .. FIRST! DOWNS!

Note we’ve played a wide array of foes. Some ranked (Marshall, Michigan, LSU), many not (Kansas, Hawaii) and few in-state (NC State, Waffle House).

 
Half
Final
Tot. Off
Tot. Def
1st Dn
LSU, ’08
31-0
41-13
239
459
11
Mich., ’07
28-17*
34-32*
387
479
19
NC St., ’06
16-7
23-10
133
242
6
LSU, ’05
14-0
24-0
256
371
14
Kansas, ’05
13-0
36-8
311
435
17
Wyoming, ’04
41-0
42-15
230
537
15
Hawaii, ’03
24-10
40-17
259
450
12
Marshall, ’02
23-10
50-17
140
634
9
Wake, ’01
10-6*
20-10
282
383
16
Wake, ’00
10-7*
20-16*
382
181
21
AVG
19-8
32-14
261.9
417.1
14

* App lead

A few thoughts:

– Traditionally, App is stronger in the first half than second. And that’s to be expected, given the greater scholarship numbers and overall depth at a I-A.
– That 2005 LSU game, though a shutout, was a pretty good example of an impressive loss. It was 14-0 going into the fourth. And a lot closer than the Tigers’ eventual Forgetabowl.
– That NC State game felt closer than the final score indicates. The fourth quarter was a complete shutout by both teams.
– The Hawaii, Marshall and Wyoming games were much worse than the final score. So much worse.
– Anyone ever wonder why Wake fears us, just remember that 2000 game. They. Were. Dominated.

7 Comments

  1. Ry_ATO

    September 2, 2009 at 3:23 pm

    As I remember during the 05 LSU games the LSU starters only played the first quarter and that was announced before the game. I read it on the ESPN scroll.

  2. Michael

    September 2, 2009 at 9:54 pm

    These games deserve, at the least, an asterisk, as in:

    *AT Wake Forest
    *AT Wake Forest
    *AT Marshall
    *AT Wyoming
    *AT…
    *AT…
    *AT…

    You'd have to figure if the teams are evenly matched, the home team should win 75% of the time. In our case, the home team won 80%. That doesn't explain the lopsidedness, of course.

    I still don't think we should be embarrassed by those scores. We SHOULD lose all those games, and none of them should be close. Those teams are on national, or at least regional, TV every week. They have far more money, more scholarship athletes, better-paid coaches, superior facilities (less so now), and home field every time.

  3. Michael

    September 2, 2009 at 10:24 pm

    This is mildly related…

    Something I've found interesting since moving to the Midwest and enrolling at Ball State, a MAC school, is how easily I'm distracted from grad school work by this website is a comparison between MAC football and top-level FCS football.

    From my viewpoint as a bit of an outsider who's blending into the student body, Ball State football feels like it's no more "big time" than it did at App State. The stadiums, atmosphere, campus "buzz," and support from around the community and the state are no greater than what you'll find in Missoula, Boone, Harrisonburg, and several other FCS programs. I dare say that since Ben Roethlisburger left Miami (OH) after 2003, there is little to no evidence that the league's football quality is any better than the top FCS teams.

    The irony of it is the way a game against Akron or Toledo is somehow respectable, but a game against AppaLAYchun State or Wofford is inexcusable.

  4. appnaysayer

    September 3, 2009 at 10:20 am

    We were NEVER in the LSU game. It was a scrimmage from the LSU's first series when Charles Johnson went through a hole in our defensive line wide enough for a Panzer.

    Where does the 75% wins for home team stat come from? Somehow I doubt it's that high for evenly matched teams. The stat that matters, no matter how you spin it, is we've lost 8 of 10 times. I will agree on the NCSU game, since Trey started and not Armanti (who knows what he would have done in his first real game?) and State made enough mistakes to keep us in the game. But NCSU was at best mediocre that year so even with that exception, things don't look so good.

    Let's be honest. Most App fans–especially the late-comers to the bandwagon– have an inflated notion of how good we are. We cannot, day-in day-out play against these teams, even second-tier schools like Kansas and Wyoming. Our record proves it. They are bigger, stronger, faster, more experienced and Appfans won't like this, but often better coached (from their assistants mostly; Michigan, of course, an exception with Carr and a 1950s offense) than we are.

    That said, I have no problem with any of that because when we do win or simply acquit ourselves well (as I hope we do this weekend) it's something special. Give me that and a shot at a real national championship over the Continental Tire-Poulan/Weedeater Bowl any day. Go get 'em DeAndre. Make us proud.

  5. Pete

    September 3, 2009 at 12:52 pm

    Both LSU games were closer than you may think.
    In 05 LSU coaches agreed RW was the best QB they had scene to that point in the season. LSU had the speed to off set APPs spread in 08, but the folks in BR were impressed. Year over year the FCS
    scholarship limit is the biggest difference.

  6. appnaysayer

    September 3, 2009 at 12:54 pm

    Much closer in 05 than 08, agreed. But if you note that LSU had the speed (not to mention the size) to offset the spread in 08, aren't you agreeing with me?

  7. Ry_ATO

    September 3, 2009 at 2:12 pm

    Naysayer – I definately agree that we have some new fans that are definately on the bandwagon due to the recent success since the '05 season. I think that they think this success guarantees success in the future and a the FBS level. What they dont realize or want to recognize is that Richmond, JMU, Montana, GSU or some other school might get hot and we could get be back to one or two and done in the playoffs if we make the playoffs. I don't think we will be in trouble this year or next but it doesnt me in 3 years we will still be on top in the SoCon. Nothing is guaranteed. And if we were to go to the FBS. We wouldnt be in a BCS conference. We be most likely in the Sunbelt. And I don't think anyone wants to be mid pack in the Sunbelt.

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