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Go Rockets go!The big game Saturday we forgot – Ohio State versus Toledo. We heart Scott Satterfield, and so do the Rockets – “With a slightly stunted running game and the run not materializing against Purdue, Toledo went to the air with a strong passing game, and Satterfield’s influence was obvious.”

65 Comments

  1. asuneers17

    September 18, 2009 at 12:32 pm

    It was also obvious that Satterfield's play-calling was missing at the App State vs. McNeese State game….

  2. Geoff

    September 18, 2009 at 12:37 pm

    We miss you already SS! Good luck…beat some Buckeyes!

  3. clayton

    September 18, 2009 at 1:17 pm

    Don't diss the play calling.

  4. jh

    September 18, 2009 at 2:11 pm

    totally agree neers………..obviously we do miss the play calling of Satterfield…….and if we lose against Sammy we might as well hang it up!! I still cant believe our defense was so terrible last week!

  5. ASUMtneers

    September 18, 2009 at 2:48 pm

    Umm agree with u 110% asuneers17 and clayton… were u watching the game?!

  6. AppGrad78

    September 18, 2009 at 4:12 pm

    We accumulated 493 yards of offense and scored touchdowns on 5 of 10 possessions. One possession ended on a missed 22-yard field goal. Another ended on a fumble at the McNeese 1-yard line. I'm certain there will be a day when we miss Scott Satterfield's play-calling. But Saturday was not one of them.

  7. dynast3

    September 18, 2009 at 4:17 pm

    We hung 35 points on the board. 28 of which came in the 2nd half. Which is actually a 1/2 point better than our 34.5 pts. per game last year. All this in only our 2nd game without Satterfield calling plays and the 1st game back for a QB who hasn't seen game action since December or last year. So everyone not named Clayton is flat-out wrong. And for the record, there is playcalling by committee, with the final decision coming from Coach Moore himself. So if you think the playcalling is lacking, why don't you tell Coach Moore yourselves.

  8. dynast3

    September 18, 2009 at 4:18 pm

    *To ammend my previous post…AppGrad 78 seems to have a firm grasp on reality

  9. ASU08

    September 18, 2009 at 4:23 pm

    Satterfield will be back as the next Head Football Coach. What do you think?

  10. Darian

    September 18, 2009 at 4:36 pm

    SS will replace Moore??? 2013????

  11. appfanmidwest

    September 18, 2009 at 5:13 pm

    Guys,

    Satterfield is heading big time. If he does well at Toledo, he could be on his way up the ladder. I'd love to see him come back, but I'm not so sure about it.

  12. Fleetwood App

    September 18, 2009 at 5:33 pm

    Agree Midwest. Satterfield is going big time.

  13. Darian

    September 18, 2009 at 5:57 pm

    What?? We are the big time. At least for now! Come on guys! Have some spirit. 3 time national champs. App IS his stepping stone to the bigtime. Not Toledo.

  14. Jeff

    September 18, 2009 at 6:48 pm

    Guys, Satterfield is headed to the big-time in coaching. He has the pedigree and is still young. A former QB at App, 3 time National Champ coach, and now calling the plays for a good Toledo team. I just hope he considers coming back to App when the time comes. Good luck to him.

  15. Keith

    September 18, 2009 at 6:51 pm

    Toledo has a home game against Ohio State tomorrow. We have a home game next week against Samford. I have plenty of school spirit, but the facts speak loud and clear about who has more "Big Time"

  16. MountainMan2020

    September 18, 2009 at 7:05 pm

    For those who claim Satterfield is going "big time", I'm curious as to what you think that means. Offensive coordinator at a BCS school perhaps? Head coach for a FBS team? Doubt it. Not before he has prior head coaching experience. There are less than 120 FBS head coaching opportunities, and App is a better job than a handful of those. Whomever said ASU head coaching job is "big time" was right on the money.

  17. Hamilton

    September 18, 2009 at 7:27 pm

    How many times do we have to go through this. BCS refers to conference affiliation with the BOWL CHAMPIONSHIP SERIES. Schools are NOT BCS conferences are.

    Toledo (in the MAC) is not in an automatic Bid BCS conference. Which means they'd have to meet several criteria to ever be considered for a BCS game.

  18. Hamilton

    September 18, 2009 at 7:31 pm

    And Satterfield is not Offensive Coordinator- Matt Campbell is. Satterfield is Passing Game Coordinator and Quarterbacks Coach.

  19. Keith

    September 18, 2009 at 8:24 pm

    If we concede that Toledo is a step up from App (and I know some disagree with that), The next question is the title. Satterfield is Quarterbacks coach at Toledo. I don't understand why we didn't make him offensive coordinator (if someone knows, please share). I just wonder how much of a step up quaterbacks coach at Toledo is over offensive coordinator at App?

  20. appstategrad2008

    September 18, 2009 at 8:31 pm

    I could see him being an offensive coordinator at a power conference school inside ten years if he continues his current course. By that I mean a school in the SEC, Big 12, etc. I wish him the best, I just wish he was still here at App.

  21. asuneers17

    September 18, 2009 at 10:13 pm

    Satterfield left because Jerry Moore wouldn't give him the title of "Offensive Coordinator"…instead the title was given to Chris Moore, Jerry's son…I've heard from Scott's close friends that he wants a future opportunity for the head coaching job at App…hopefully that's in App's plans too…

    and yes, the play calling was much more conservation than with SS at the helms…the running game became a big factor whereas the running game usually started a drive, but rarely ended/stalled the drive…not going for a 4th down once in awile, not throwing to Ben Jordan, and only going deep a couple times show me that the new playcallers (whether it be Jerry, or other coaches) aren't confident in the star players that have already established themselves as leaders….

  22. appfanmidwest

    September 19, 2009 at 4:10 am

    Satterfield is Co-Offensive Coordinator at Toledo. Like it or not, Toledo is a step up from App. They just waxed Colorado and have a chance at taking out Ohio State.

    Yes, Satterfield can make the jump to a FBS head coaching job if he does well at Toledo. He has already made a difference and people are talking about him in the national media.

    Guys- the reality is that most of the country still looks at App State like this… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW4Q01-156o

    Create the vision and Satterfield will come back.

  23. appfanmidwest

    September 19, 2009 at 4:22 am

    Although the schedule says Ohio State AT Toledo, the game is being played at the Cleveland Browns stadium, not the Glass Bowl (Toledo Stadium).

    That would be like us playing UNC at Panthers Stadium in Charlotte. If only they would play us…

  24. appfanmidwest

    September 19, 2009 at 4:24 am

    Finally, one of the real reasons UNC will not play us is not the fear of losing to App State (because they have lost to ECU). It's the fear of losing to an FCS school. If we were FBS, they would feel compelled to play us and the pressure would be too great for them to avoid it.

  25. appfantoo

    September 19, 2009 at 5:31 am

    There is no amount of points that should ever be considered 'enough' – that mentality will not win championships.

    I grow tired of those who are simply using statistics to make an argument that the offense was somehow perfect vs. McNeese State. Just based on scoring App lost every quarter but the 3rd against McNeese.

    So, hypothetically speaking, if our offense achieves 35 points and our running back has 150 yards by halftime in a future game should they then just relax and assume the mindset that says '35 points are plenty and we should win no matter what..'?

    We'll lose every game if our coaches and players think the same way that some of you are advocating.

    Would you be happy and assume we should win with the following offensive stats?

    Total Offense: 497 yards

    Rushing Yards: 393
    Yards per Rush: 7.1
    Leading Rusher: 157 yds/8.7 yds per carry

    Passing Yards: 104
    Yards per Pass: 6.1

    First Downs: 23
    Time of Possession: 31:37
    Total Points: 24

    Pretty good offensive numbers.

    Too bad the team that produced those offensive numbers LOST BY 46 POINTS.

    These were Wofford's offensive stats vs. App in Boone last year that resulted in a 70-24 App victory.

    What's the point?
    To be successful an offense must always score more points than the defense/special teams allows.

    There is no amount of points or offensive productivity that should ever be considered enough.

  26. Dan

    September 19, 2009 at 6:30 am

    We have, i believe, 6 players on the roster that have had 100 yard rushing games right now. This may explain why we are more focused on the run, obviously we have plenty of guys that can do it well.

  27. dynast3

    September 19, 2009 at 7:30 am

    Appfantoo, I don't think anybody is conceding that we stop scoring points and put it cruise control once we hit our benchmark for average points scored. Rather, it is people overreacting and saying that we miss Satterfield when the first game we played was against a top-25 FBS defense in ECU and the second was against a historical FCS powerhouse who recruits in the talent-rich region of the Gulf Coast. Our offense settled in midway through the 2nd quarter in the first game back for our All-American QB since December. I fully expect us to score more than 35 a game, but just like last year, there will be times when we struggle offensively. As always, our average fan has expectations that are way too unrealistic and expect us to hang 50 on every team we play. Once again, if you are one who thinks the play-calling is inadequate, why don't you go tell Coach Moore himself is the one who is making the final calls. I'm sure he would love to hear your advice, that score more points than the defense allows has to be a revolutionary idea to him.

  28. appfanmidwest

    September 19, 2009 at 11:01 am

    Good news…Satterfield just called and wants his old job back.

    App State did what UNC couldn't…hold ECU to no offensive scores in the second half. What a joke that call was against CJ Wilson at the end of the game. Could have changed the outcome. Ron Cherry should be fired for that call.

  29. Vampireneer

    September 19, 2009 at 11:30 am

    So much for all that talk, I think App could have handled Ohio better than that.

  30. AppGrad78

    September 19, 2009 at 2:38 pm

    We all see brutal officiating from time to time, but I put Mr. Cherry's call in my top 10 worst calls of all time. I can't believe a fellow referee didn't correct him.

  31. appfanmidwest

    September 19, 2009 at 5:23 pm

    Wow, the SoCon really lit it up today didn't they? Kudos to Citadel for taking down Princeton. Not even sure what that means…

    Wofford must be woeful this year as Wisonsin is not that good and Mizzou ripped Furman a new one. Elon's getting waxed as well.

    As I've said, the SoCon holds us back…

  32. asuneers17

    September 19, 2009 at 7:28 pm

    I would agree appfanmidwest. Consider an App schedule filled with BCS teams (it wouldn't be ACC teams, because they're afraid). Our recruits would increase in ability and we would gain more scholarships to offer. It's a better deal overall. We could occasionally invite JMU or Wofford to play our dirty games against…ha.

  33. Joe

    September 19, 2009 at 8:34 pm

    But where are we going to get the money to join the "big boys"??

  34. appfanmidwest

    September 20, 2009 at 5:54 am

    Joe,

    We aren't the only team to move from FCS to FBS. Quite frankly, we're in a better position (financially, fan base, facilities) than many schools that have moved to the next level.

    Eventually, our fans (and players/recruits) are going to lose interest in playing Presbyterian, NC Central, UTC, etc.). They are just not compelling matchups.

  35. appfanmidwest

    September 20, 2009 at 5:56 am

    The bottom line is this:

    SoCon= bridle for App State

    It's time to unleash the fury.

  36. MountainMan2020

    September 20, 2009 at 8:17 am

    To Hamilton – Not even sure who you were responding to, but it's clearly obvious to everyone (except you perhaps) a "BCS school" refers to a school playing football in a BCS league. And everyone realizes Toledo is not in a BCS league.

  37. ASU in Big East

    September 20, 2009 at 9:51 am

    Otherwords, we need to be FBS NOW.

  38. Vampireneer

    September 20, 2009 at 2:22 pm

    We lost at home to Richmond, enrollment of 4,250. We lost to ECU, they are 1-2 in a crappy cusa conference. By no means do we need to be FBS yet.

  39. Dan

    September 20, 2009 at 2:38 pm

    sigh.

    Beat Samford.

  40. Vampireneer

    September 20, 2009 at 2:46 pm

    Samford enrollment, 4,440

  41. dynast3

    September 20, 2009 at 3:30 pm

    I'm not really advocating either way, but the argument of losing to small schools has no bearing on whether we are fit to move up to the FBS. In fact, beating a team like Michigan has no bearing either. The factors in play are giving, size of school, facilities, overall state of athletic department, infrastructure of university and town to handle influx of fans, financial health to sustain debt…because there will be debt taken on, support of university faculty and staff, support of fans, etc. These are the things that matter. Winning and losing are way down the list. USF never amounted to much during their brief stint as a FCS school, but as a university they were just too big to play at this level. As it stands now, we are one of the proverbial bubble schools much like Marshall. We have seen much success at this level, our fan base has grown weary of the same opponents, our reputation precedes us and as our giving has increased we have seen our facilities become on-par with lower-level FBS conference schools. Our enrollment is on the lower end though and we would become the 4th state university to compete at the FBS level, serving to dilute the waters further. It seems to be that the administration has put the writing on the wall that they have long-term goals, like putting 116 lockers in a FCS school locker room. Winning and losing really aren't good litmus tests for if we are ready to make the jump.

  42. appfanmidwest

    September 20, 2009 at 4:16 pm

    NC is not much smaller than the state of Ohio, so I don't see that four FBS schools has much to do moving up, especially given the low enrollment size of Duke and Wake.

    9 FBS schools Ohio:

    Kent State,Akron, Toledo, Ohio State, Ohio, Cincinnati,Bowling Green, Miami-Ohio,Dayton (Youngstown St will move up soon)

    I'll tell you one damn thing…App fans are getting sick of playing schools like Citadel, Presbyterian, NC Central, etc. If you want fundraising to dry up, keep playing these schools.

    Create the vision and they will come.

  43. appfanmidwest

    September 20, 2009 at 4:20 pm

    When you have announcers referring to App State as a perennial powerhouse on national tv (during ECU/UNC game) and you look at our schedule and conference, you're simply left with HUH???

  44. Keith

    September 20, 2009 at 4:25 pm

    dynast3, great post! I agree with you. I'll be there to suppost our team either way, but I think this debate will come easier for our fans when we go 7-4 and miss the playoffs. However, lets hope that is not anytime soon. I'm ready for next Saturday!

  45. dynast3

    September 20, 2009 at 4:26 pm

    Appfanmidwest, no need to get riled up, I agree that our reputation precedes itself as I mentioned earlier. But when you look at the state of Ohio only 2 of those schools are competitive on a national level and that's Cincy and OSU. I'm not saying that is a huge cause for concern in our case, but just something to think about. I think currently we fill a niche in that we attract a lot of talent that simply fell through the cracks of FBS schools. Will we be able to recruit at a level to win conference titles at the next level? Who knows. I'd like to think we could be the next Boise, but who is to say we aren't the next Marshall?

  46. Keith

    September 20, 2009 at 4:32 pm

    Midwest, I also agree with you that the home schedule this year is awful. The games against NC Central, UTC and WCU Should be huge blowouts. When half the home games are sure to be non-competetive, it does put a damper on a season ticket. The economy was the major reason, but the schedule also played a part in lower season ticket sales this year.

  47. appfanmidwest

    September 20, 2009 at 4:50 pm

    dynast,

    I'm not saying we have the ability or should compete for a national contender (USC, Bama, Florida), but I would say the MAC is a pretty damn good conference, they have some compelling games, and they play some big names on a regular basis.

    I think you'll see CUSA and BigEast pull a few teams in from the CAA at some point. That will make it much more interesting. Personally, I would love to play in a conference with James Madison, Delaware, UMass, Villanova, and teams of that caliber. Add a few bigger names to the mix and you have a conference that is a perfect match for us.

  48. appfanmidwest

    September 20, 2009 at 4:54 pm

    And yes, the idea of a bowl trip in a warm spot in December does sound appealing. Imagine if we were playing someone like South Carolina, Kentucky, Kansas, Colorado, Boise State…in Florida, New Orleans, Phoenix. Not a bad gig.

  49. Joe

    September 20, 2009 at 6:10 pm

    Other schools have obviously made the jump — you're right.. but did they make the jump when the school is already having to cut jobs, and have the lowest operating budget in years?

    Also, name a school within the past decade who has made the jump that continuously plays the "big boys"? Boise State is the only once I can think of who has had recent success — but they moved up in '96.

    So why would you want to move up to play the "big boys" like ECU, Marshall, Florida Atlantic, and North Texas? What would playing those teams do more than winning national championships at our level? Not a damn thing!

  50. Hamilton

    September 21, 2009 at 2:14 am

    To Mountainman2020:

    The reason I think people don't understand it is I've seen it written many times here and on other boards, "when App goes BCS"

    And the poster I was addressing (you I guess) referred to the fact that Satterfield had gone BCS – not correct.

    For Toledo to ever make a BCS bowl, they have to win the MAC AND meet a handful of other criteria for an at-large BCS bowl appearance.

    It's clear people don't understand the difference.

  51. clayton

    September 21, 2009 at 2:28 am

    Have yall literally been talking about the BCS all weekend?

  52. Gwaltineer

    September 21, 2009 at 3:52 am

    midwest is right. Intrest in App football as it stands now is way down. We are getting tired of playing in the SoCon. All 27 thousand fans that will pile into the Rock are really tired of it.

  53. appfantoo

    September 21, 2009 at 4:02 am

    We can't afford to pay for what we just built – contributions are WAY down this year and the Trustees had to approve more money to cover the shortfall to get the construction finished.

    Time for a reality check.

    The North Carolina economy is only going to get worse over the next 1-2 years. Does anyone honestly think that with funding cuts everywhere and more state employee layoffs coming it is a good time to add a few million dollars to the football budget?

  54. Dan

    September 21, 2009 at 4:25 am

    Amen Gwalt, obviously nobody wants to sit around and watch these games, save the nearly 30k we seem to get for home games these days.

  55. DRM

    September 21, 2009 at 6:16 am

    "There is no amount of points or offensive productivity that should ever be considered enough." Comment by appfantoo 09.19.09 @ 9:31 am

    No kidding, especially with our D playing as they have for six of this season's eight quarters. And I'm still not certain how much credit they get for the second half versus ECU–meaning, I don't think ECU is all that great.

    "The North Carolina economy is only going to get worse over the next 1-2 years." Comment by appfantoo 09.21.09 @ 8:02 am

    Actually, NC added a few thousand jobs last month. We were one of the few states to have an increase in employment, however modest. Montana was another. But the addition of a few jobs certainly doesn't mean the state is completely past the recession.

  56. appfanmidwest

    September 21, 2009 at 6:42 am

    Listen to what you people are saying…Playing Presbyterian, Citdael, NC Central, UTC is NOT a compelling match up. YES..playing ECU, Houston, UAB, Memphis, Marshall is much more fitting for a team of our caliber.

    And guess what…those fans travel so 27,000 will turn into 40,000 before long.

    Stop underestimating our ability!!! Have a vision for how great we can be.

  57. appfanmidwest

    September 21, 2009 at 6:44 am

    I'm glad none of you are the president of my company…we'd get eaten alive by the competition and would never amount to anything.

    Complacency= losses= lack of interest= lower funding

  58. Gwaltineer

    September 21, 2009 at 6:48 am

    if I was president, I'd fire you. too much time blogging on company time.

  59. Dan

    September 21, 2009 at 6:49 am

    I have no interest in being "great" in CUSA or the Sunbelt. I'll take being king of 1-AA over those craptastic conferences any day.

  60. Joe

    September 21, 2009 at 7:52 am

    "Listen to what you people are saying…Playing Presbyterian, Citdael, NC Central, UTC is NOT a compelling match up. YES..playing ECU, Houston, UAB, Memphis, Marshall is much more fitting for a team of our caliber."

    That may be so, but we are 0-2 right now… Also, how does that get us any more recognition? Those teams (albeit Houston is in the national spotlight this) dont get any more recognition than we do..

    Do a simple cost benefit analyst.. we would have to add at least $20 million to our athletics budget (remember Title IX and all the other sports!!!) .. where are we going to get that kind of money when people are losing there jobs at the university?

    We may have a vision, but that vision can not be substantiated for quite some time with the economic downfall (possibly going back up?) we are currently in.

    Having a vision and actually doing are two different things. I have a vision of being able to own a yacht and just go for some travel with my own private captain and chef.. man, that would be some great times for my family! But it's all just a vision and unless I run into some money, that vision will not become reality

  61. Joe

    September 21, 2009 at 8:24 am

    "I’m glad none of you are the president of my company…we’d get eaten alive by the competition and would never amount to anything."

    I think you've got things all messed up. Do majority of us think we can compete at the FBS level? Absolutely. Do majority of us think we should move up soon? Absolutely not. Moving up right now would be a stab in the back to the individuals who lost their jobs or had to take pay cuts because the funding wasnt there. But we can magically afford to add AT LEAST $20 MILLION to the athletics budget? Something doesn't make sense there.

    I hope you're company doesnt have a president who thinks like you do and invest in things that are not needed at this time. If so, you're going to be pretty bitter when you get laid off because the funding was never there

  62. MountainMan2020

    September 21, 2009 at 12:56 pm

    Hamilton – I never mentioned Satterfield went BCS anything and clearly understand the difference.

  63. appfanmidwest

    September 22, 2009 at 6:51 pm

    You may notice that they didn't refer to ECU, Tulane, Tulsa, UTEP, Memphis, or Marshall in this link. Stop living in your very small pipe dream of a world. I'm sick of you people underestimating how great we can be.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjxxFpd18fs
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW4Q01-156o

  64. DRM

    September 23, 2009 at 11:02 am

    If Herbstreit is your authority, you're losing credibility. And I don't mean because he can't pronounced the school's name correctly.

  65. Dan

    September 23, 2009 at 11:29 am

    I don't think anyone is losing site of how great we CAN be, in fact, I think most of the posters are focused on what we should be focused on – how great we can be this year.

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