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APP-prope links – Can you believe it's almost October?

It’s not a challenge to play El Cid there. It’s a challenge to beat them there.

The El Cid blog. Verrrrry nice.

Higgins talks App State. Apparently from outside his dining room.

Doin’ the bump! Ain’t nothing wrong, if you wanna do the bump .. all … game .. long!

Finally in stock. We promise. But supply limited.

They’re baaaaacccck. Echo! .. (Echo!)

Your SoCon bball television schedule. App State gets one game. And it ain’t at home. Guess where?

Superman and family. HUGS!

‘Nooga packing them in. But note, this is total attendance over three games, not average per.

Between a stink and a scared place. Can’t they both lose?

As if they didn’t drop enough games now. Writer says UVa should look for its next coach at …..

Almost that time of year. We wish we had our pair Saturday.

Stupid bad economy. Instate school dropping radio broadcasts for football.


  1. DRM

    September 30, 2009 at 6:13 am

    Sagarin shows Citadel as a two-point at-home favorite over App. Some of that is undoubtedly because all three teams we've played are pretty weak, as measured by who they've beaten and to whom they've lost.

    I doubt the bad economy, per se, had much to do with WSSU's decision. Rather, it is more likely a quality of product issue–poor quality, lightly attended games, a decline in revenue, a need to cut costs. It's economics, but not the recession–or not just the recession.

  2. Dan

    September 30, 2009 at 6:22 am

    and whom, exactly, has El Cid beaten? Presby and Princeton? Those are some powerhouses there…

  3. grudensucks

    September 30, 2009 at 6:28 am

    Ty Lawson looks good in a suit.

  4. Domnick

    September 30, 2009 at 6:41 am

    Check this out…apparently we have a center by the name of Russell Wilson who plays for us and he's nominated for Heisman! haha

  5. appirishmen

    September 30, 2009 at 7:07 am

    DRM the three teams we have played are not weak. ok maybe samford….but ECU is a solid team and McNeese is a solid team. top 10 i believe. Look at Elon and how everyones on there band wagon. They have played weak teams. i mean presby…davidson….Wake is the strongest by far and thats not saying much. and GSU is off this year. if anything they have played weak teams.

  6. Gwaltineer

    September 30, 2009 at 7:13 am

    UVa should go after London, not Mickey.

  7. grudensucks

    September 30, 2009 at 7:49 am

    Hey and that Russell Wilson kid has 11 votes.

  8. grudensucks

    September 30, 2009 at 7:51 am

    That's funny. He's actually the QB for NC State.

  9. Joe

    September 30, 2009 at 8:07 am

    We have a long snapper by the name of russell wilson.. apparently ESPN has an error in their programming!

  10. Joe

    September 30, 2009 at 8:08 am

    Well, scratch that.. we HAD a long snapper named Russell Wilson.. apparently, he is no longer on the team per the roster on GoASU

  11. Geoff

    September 30, 2009 at 8:21 am

    He probably left because of all the Heisman Hype!

  12. Rufus

    September 30, 2009 at 9:44 am

    Is it just me or does anyone else notice the disdain in the eyes of the ref in that "doing the bump" pic? I know there was a lot of grumbling about the officiating, and it looks like he actually is ticked off at our guys…. maybe I'm reaching on that but that was one of the first things I noticed on that picture

  13. DRM

    September 30, 2009 at 10:37 am

    Irish, I said the computer probably "THINKS" McNeese and ECU are weak because of the teams they've lost to, and the fact that they haven't beaten any strong teams (unless you want to count us, but we're 1-2 and computers don't consider potential, to my knowledge)–not necessarily that I agree with Sagarin's rankings. But, while ECU and McNeese are decent, they're no better than that. ECU has two five-point wins, against ASU and UCF. We played less than a full game in Greenville; the quarter we took off is when they won the game. UCF, ECU's other win, is 2-2, having beaten Samford by only four, Buffalo by six. ECU has 15- and 14-point losses to WVU and UNC, respectively, two teams that I would argue are good, but certainly not great. WVU beat ECU by two more than they beat Liberty, but they then lost by 11 to another middle-of-the-road team, Auburn. UNC has the Citadel and ECU wins, plus a squeaked-out two-point triumph at UConn, a team with wins over Ohio, Baylor, and Rhode Island. UNC was dismantled by 17 at Ga Tech, a team that was previously beaten soundly by Miami, which was destroyed by Va Tech. Like ASU thus far, ECU looks a lot better on paper than they look on the field.

    McNeese has beaten us (on the worst defensive day I've ever seen us have, but I didn't witness the 72-14 loss to Chattanooga decades ago), and they've beaten Henderson State and Savannah State. Not exactly powerhouses. They lost by 10 to a very poor Tulane team. As with ECU, McNeese may not be "weak," but they aren't exactly strong. I can certainly see why a computer model would give us little credit for close losses to those two teams. By the way, Sagarin's model shows ECU at #76, McNeese at #129; ASU is at #115. Preseason, we were #68.

    A better challenge to Sagarin's rankings (showing Citadel one point behind ASU, so a two-point favorite at home counting the supposed three-point home field advantage) is Dan's point about Citadel's schedule. They beat Princeton and Presbyterian by 31 and 25, respectively, and lost to UNC by 34. Apparently, the computer model places much more value on blowouts over truly weak opponents (Citadel's) than close losses to better, but not great, opponents (ours). But FCS teams don't really have to worry much about computer rankings.

    Computers (and Clayton's assertions that Samford's Evans is the most dangerous SoCon player we'll face all season) aside, I worry about our pass defense against Citadel. We still aren't getting nearly enough contact on the QB to suit me, and Citadel has a better receiver than Samford. (I also worry about Citadel's kick returns, but I worry about that no matter who we face or how well we're playing otherwise.) And when we go down to play Ellen–'er, Elon–I'll worry even more about our ability to defend the pass. But before that game matters, we have to get past Citadel and five other opponents.

  14. DRM

    September 30, 2009 at 10:54 am

    Re: Rufus' comment about the glowering official . . . during the game, Steve Brown mentioned one official (not the referee) talking at length to Coco because (Brown thought) the official saw Coco's celebrations after catches as borderline excessive. Two things have always seemed basic truisms to me where football officials are concerned:

    1 SoCon officials (and others who basically officiate only at the non-1A level) seem much less inclined to give the players a pass, even on minor judgment issues;
    2 When we play an ACC team, we almost always get the short end of any borderline calls.

    And yes, re: 2 above, I realize I'm biased. Very. But I remember a TD catch that would have won the game against NCSU, but was ruled out of the back of the end zone. The State coach called Coach Brakefield the following Monday to apologize for what was clearly an incorrect call. I also remember Wake having a fourth and goal play against us, also near the end of the game–we were leading. We stopped them, but after the play was over, the officials ruled Wake had moved; you can't refuse a procedure penalty, as I understand it, so Wake got another chance, scored, and won the game. Officials would have had a lot more credibility if they'd blown the play dead, but they waited until the Wake ball carrier was down. Just two examples of being "short-ended" that come immediately to mind.

  15. Dan

    September 30, 2009 at 10:57 am

    DRM, your concerns are understandable but also take note of a few positive trends –
    1. Defense has finally showed up for an entire game. granted weather was a factor, but we still looked solid on assignments and things of that nature. Hopefully, this trend will continue to be positive.
    2. The offense *still* hasn't had a game at it's full effectiveness for varying reasons (backup QB, easing AE back into action, weather) and we have managed to be productive regardless. Ground game has been very good (though not AE… yet) and the air attack was working well for the 1 half we've played close to full strength (and without monsoon).

    And yes, right now this only matters as it relates to the Citadel.

  16. Dan

    September 30, 2009 at 11:00 am

    DRM, you can refuse a procedure penalty, but all that does is keep the ball in the same spot, the down played is always nullified.

  17. DRM

    September 30, 2009 at 11:15 am

    Thanks for that clarification, Dan. That's obviously why no one refuses procedure penalties, then!

    I appreciate and applaud your optimism. And I certainly hope your inclinations are correct. But I'm not allowed to be optimistic–if I am (and anyone catches me at it), I get booted from my profession, and I still need a paycheck!

  18. jonmac

    September 30, 2009 at 11:20 am

    I don't think you can refuse an illegal procedure penalty if the play is blown dead, which it most usually is.

  19. asu7

    September 30, 2009 at 11:56 am

    Mickey to UVA … that is interesting …

    How many of think that Mickey would take it?

    I seem to think he wouldn't.

  20. Michael

    September 30, 2009 at 12:01 pm

    I think Mickey couldn't handle a job at UVA. The way he runs his mouth, it's almost like Lane Kiffin or Steve Spurrier back when he was at UF.

    But the difference is that Kiffin can get away w/ it because he can lean on the support of such an excellent group of assistants, and Spurrier didn't get so publicly cocky until he started winning SEC titles. Mickey Mouth would have neither, and if he ran his mouth at a higher-profile program like Virginia, he wouldn't last long.

  21. Dan

    September 30, 2009 at 12:37 pm

    jonmac, got my info from TMQ on ESPN, he's usually pretty accurate on rules. If you check this week's article, it's under the "adventures in officiating" paragraph. I believe the rules are the same for NCAA as NFL in this case.

  22. clayton

    September 30, 2009 at 1:40 pm

    It'll be October tomorrow.

  23. Keith

    September 30, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    Regarding the procedure penalty, Dan is correct that you do not have to accept it. An example would be if a team were punting from there oppenents side of the field and wanted more room to give the punter a better chance to pin the ball inside the 20. Usually you see an intentional delay of game in this situation, but you can have a procedure call. Either way, the defense has the right to refuse the penalty. In my limited experience of high school and below, the team being fouled always has the right to refuse, though some penalties almost never are.

  24. appnaysayer

    September 30, 2009 at 5:43 pm

    E-lon-or-rigby…picks up the yards on a field where a defense has been…(Sorry)

    Guess in this one I'm going to side with DRM on the El Cid pessimism thing. One reason our defense looked so good last Sat. was that the Samford QB had one of the worst days I've ever witnessed. One completed pass (to a back, if memory serves) in the entire first half. Missed lots of receivers who appeared to be wide open.

    The flip side of that, of course, is that he missed because of our defense, but like DRM, I just didn't see that much pressure applied. More than against McNeese? Yes. Enough to stop a good QB and receiving corps? We'll see.

    As for Coco, he DOES celebrate way too much. Pounds his chest after every reception, 5 yards or 25. Just catch the ball and line up. This isn't Dancing with the Stars.

    And I had forgotten about that Wake game…until now. Reminded me of the Russian basketball team in the 72 Olympics. Got to run the play until they scored. Also remember the State debacle. Worst rob job ever though was a WCU basketball game here in '79 when time expired well before the winning shot. No replay in those days and the refs, of course, blew it. Campus police had to escort them out of Varsity Gym.
    Also remember a prominent foul call against us vs. Wake in basketball when we had them on the ropes at their place during Tim Duncan's first year. Game turned around on it. But alas….

  25. Dan

    October 1, 2009 at 4:33 am

    Don't expect Coco to calm down after plays, again, it's an epidemic in all of sports to self-promote.

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