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FCS poll officially becomes a joke

Seriously .. wthBehold, the looniest football poll evah has been unleashed upon the land.

Not one .. not two .. not three, but four(!) teams with a losing record make the cut as among the best 25 teams in the land. Four others are an even 2-2.

Dude … we ain’t kidding.

1. Villanova (94) 3-1
2. App State (24) 4-0
3. JMU (22) 3-0
4. Jacksonville St (5) 4-0
5. Delaware (1) 4-0
6. Stephen F. Austin 3-1
7. William & Mary 3-1
8. Massachusetts 3-1
9. S.C. State 2-1
10. Montana St. 3-1
11. Richmond 1-2
12. Montana 2-2
13. North Dakota St 3-1
14. New Hampshire 2-2
15. Cal Poly 3-1
16. Eastern Washington 2-2
17. Northern Iowa 1-2
18. Furman 2-1
19. Georgia Southern 3-1
20. Texas State 3-1
21. Elon Phoenix 1-3
22. Youngstown St 3-1
23. Illinois St 3-1
24. Southern Illinois 1-3
25. Liberty 2-2

Montana is ranked No. 12 at 2-2, but lost to No. 15 Cal Poly, which is 3-1. And North Dakota State, which beat Kansas (which beat the Big Sexy), and has one loss to ranked Northern Iowa, is behind the Griz.

Elon has one .. freakin’ … win … over a DII(!) .. and lands at 21. The same for Southern Illinois, that beat Quincy before dropping three straight.

Yet they’re both above poor Liberty, which managed to beat an FBSer and lose by just 7 to No. 3 JMU. /scratches head

And the Stink’s only loss was by six to Navy, yet its behind Furman, which has two wins and a FBS blowout. /facepalm

This is a fine example of why we only care about two polls – the preseason and the end of season. One gets us hungry, and the other has the undisputed No. 1. We’ll pass on getting aroused by the inbetweeners.

85 Comments

  1. ASU in the QC

    September 27, 2010 at 12:30 pm

    that just made me laugh out loud at work..thanks appfan. funniest thing i've seen/heard all day.

  2. DRM

    September 27, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    Sagarin's computers have us fifth in FCS, behind four CAA teams. ND State, W&M, Furman, Jax State and GaSo make up his next five. Montana is 16th. SoCon has two teams (us and furple) in the top 100 overall; CAA has five, Big Sky none (though as a whole, Big Sky outranks SoCon by .4 points).

  3. Dan

    September 27, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    Love the picture.

  4. ceez

    September 27, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    I am shaking my head at this poll. I also am shaking my head at the FBS polls. Explain this to me, and some will argue with my point, but I will understand completely.

    Ohio State has played four games, not having to leave Columbus for a single game. They beat Marshall, Ohio, Eastern Michigan, and Miami (FL)…One quality opponent Miami, but again at home…They are ranked number 2

    Boise State plays three games thus far…Two on the road…Opponents being Virginia Tech, Tech did turn around and lose to JMU, but Boise came across country in what was essentially a home game on national television and beat Tech. Then traveled to Wyoming…Moving on…Just beat Oregon State who is a projected top Pac 10 team on National television…Boise State is ranked 3

    The two have played complete opposite strength of schedules, and they talk about how national televised games help in the polls…Boise played two nationally televised games, and still get no love.

    The system is set up to put certain teams in certain positions to get into a title game. Ohio State will either hopefully lose a Big Ten game, or make the title game only to get destroyed by a SEC power house. I will not argue with Alabama being the number 1 team in the nation. Stepping up and playing Penn State (Most SEC schools schedule weak out of conference) traveling to Duke. I know it is Duke, but it is one less home game, and then the way they came back on the road against Arkansas. They are truly number one.

    As for the FCS poll displayed. It is garbage. Montana 2-2, Southern Illinois 1-3, Richmond 1-2, Elon 1-3….All with average or worst records, but all have one thing in common…Big name programs or big name athletes

  5. clayton

    September 27, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    Well, the season doesn't end in September.

  6. StuckinLodi

    September 27, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    The NCAA needs an investigation to see who paid Arkansas QB Ryan Mallett off. Does the state of Alabama have a mafia?

  7. DRM

    September 27, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    No quarrel with Villanova being ranked first, even with their loss (by seven) to Temple. The MAC conference isn't all that great but Temple is best of the lot, again per Sagarin. Much of the remainder of the FCS poll makes no sense.

  8. Allen

    September 27, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    Looks like who ever put this together started throwing darts after the first 8 spots. Maybe a weegie board was involved.

  9. appstategrad2008

    September 27, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    I believe you mean Oiuja board…

    In any case, they shouldn't have leapfrogged us. That's pure B.S.

  10. coolmtnair

    September 27, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    How did MTD get his poll published?

  11. appaneer420

    September 27, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    its about time someone finally called out sports network. they are a joke

  12. Chris Townsend

    September 27, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    There are times when I don't understand what the people behind the polls are thinking. I believe these people….at least those involved in the AP poll really don't know a whole lot about 1-AA teams and just vote for teams they have at least heard of. I much prefer the coaches poll…at least the coaches know the lay of the land.
    My son is in marching band (high school) and the team that won first place for the marching category actually had kids that fell down during their performance. Sometimes life doesn't make sense.

  13. appaneer420

    September 27, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    coach's poll- http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/polls/fu

    pretty interesting

  14. AppinMD

    September 27, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    How about Penn. They almost win (pretty much gave away the game) AT Nova, and their reward?
    Dropped from the poll.

  15. Cowgrl App

    September 27, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    I saw this today and all I had to say was ….HUH??

  16. ceez

    September 27, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    The only thing I agree with is the amount of caa teams in the top 10. That conference is very strong. Don't jump down my throat for saying this but given schedules and opponents thus far, I am curious as to how jmu is behind asu. They may be basing it off of statistics. My opinion of statistics are, I hated taking them in college, and they are only something for the losing team to look at since they didn't get the ultimate stat A win

  17. appnaysayer

    September 27, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    Agree. I'm wondering if anyone who votes in these polls has seen us play….or reads the sports section.

  18. Dan

    September 27, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    All polls place entirely too much emphasis on preseason rankings. Based purely off what has been accomplished on the field, JMU deserves the #1 slot right now.

  19. Gwaltineer

    September 27, 2010 at 3:32 pm

    FCS polls always essentually start rankings where they end from the previous year. They also seem to penalize teams less for losing to better teams than FBS polls do. Both actually make me think they make more sense than FBS or BSC polls do. There is also a more laid back feeling about them since it's September and the next two months + playoffs will ultimately play themselves out and make the final poll fairly easy. Why do people want to move up again?

  20. Gwaltineer

    September 27, 2010 at 3:34 pm

    this is boarderline sacreligious, but it's nice to see Furman, GSU, and App in the top 25 again. There's just something right about that.

  21. AppOrange

    September 27, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    Should be:

    1. JMU
    2. Jax St.
    3. App
    4. Villanova
    5. Delaware

    Just saying

  22. Dan

    September 27, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    I agree Gwalt. Those guys doing well is good for the conference and the FCS. Just so long as we still beat them, that is.

  23. Bailout

    September 27, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    We wish to move up in order to play better competition, the teams that have a following, will create excitement and keep the momentum we have gained by winning National Championships. Never again do I want to go back to the days when there were 8,500 in attendance at our home games. The way it is now at Furman, wofford, western, samford, elon and that is when excitement is at white out conditions because App State is coming to town. Then when they come to Boone, they manage to bring enough fans to fill a 1972 Ford Country Squire Station wagon with the third seat facing backwards.

  24. ceez

    September 27, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    if we were fbs I guarantee you we would not be ranked so high.

  25. Bailout

    September 27, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    And probably would never play in the Orange Bowl. That's the trade off for playing with the big boys

  26. AppWyo

    September 27, 2010 at 5:01 pm

    The polls are what the FBS really play against not the teams they actually play. That is not the way the NFL FCS Div II and Div III, High school, Pee Wee Junior High etc. FBS and BCS are the only places where polls really matter.

  27. Mikeyosef

    September 27, 2010 at 5:23 pm

    Yep this poll is nuts; don't disagree much with the top five-ten but then it gets a little ugly.

    BTW: I love that some of you guys think just because an FCS team beats an FBS team they automatically should be at the very top of the polls. I'm not saying App should be number one but to give JMU number 1 and Jacksonville St number 2 because JMU beat a better quality FBS than Jax St…at least that's what it looks like to me, is just nuts.

    Both those teams are very strong but I'll tell you what I told the folks at Michigan in 07 when they said, "you guys are going to be national champions again, right?" "Can't say for sure," I said "we have some very tough competition in our division and you never know with a playoff system who's going to get hot."

    I've been waiting for this since both those teams won. That closet, FCS inferiority complex comes creeping out in some and they begin to equate a win over FBS as the ultimate measuring stick for our division. They're great wins for their programs and for the FCS but they don't say much about those team's ability to win the championship.

  28. Bailout

    September 27, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    That's a new concept I guess. In reality all games can be played against the polls on cyberspace. That would eliminate the need for stadiums and all that unnecessary stuff and would solve the problem of where the band sits. Cool. What about tailgating and all the fun stuff you need a big crowd for?

  29. Triadappfan

    September 27, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    Polls do matter in FCS. Remember that we play for the seeds when playoff time comes around. I believe being ranked #1 would give us homegirls advantage throughout the entire playoffs. So I think we should be pissed about the rankings.

  30. Keith

    September 27, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    Home field advantage says a lot about where you finish the season. That is why these rankings matter. Yes the championship is determined on the field, but the rankings do play a factor in the committee's decion about what field the games are played on.

  31. Triadappfan

    September 27, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    Home field not homegirls. Stupid auto correct text.

  32. dru090

    September 27, 2010 at 5:48 pm

    What happened to all the hype videos this site use to show during the season?

  33. AppWyo

    September 27, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    I thought home field advantage was based on ticket sales and how many tickest you could sale?

  34. Bailout

    September 27, 2010 at 6:03 pm

    And how much we are willing to guarantee

  35. Bailout

    September 27, 2010 at 6:05 pm

    And how much we are willing to guarantee BOOK EM DANO

  36. mtd Security

    September 27, 2010 at 8:26 pm

    NO THAT'S NOT MTD SECURITY TOP 25

    BUT THIS IS

    1. Villanova 3-1
    2. Appalachian St 4-0
    3. JMU 4-0
    4. Delaware 4-0
    5. Stephen F Austin 3-1
    6. Jacksonville St 4-0
    7. William & Mary 3-1
    8. UMass 3-1
    9. South Carolina St 2-1
    10. Montana St 3-1
    11. New Hampshire 2-2
    12. Eastern Washington 2-2
    13. Montana 2-2
    14. North Dakota St 3-1
    15. Cal Poly 3-1
    16. Richmond 1-2
    17. Furman 2-1
    18. Georgia Southern 3-1
    19. Northern Iowa 1-2
    20. Liberty 2-2
    21. Elon 1-3
    22. Texas St 3-1
    23. Illinois St 3-1
    24. Youngstown St 3-1
    25. Southeastern Missouri St 3-1

    Just 2 1-2 teams Richmond and Northern Iowa.
    Both understandable since they lost to their FBS team.

    The only 1-3 team on the list is Elon, and maybe that should not be there either.

    more comments to come later in the week.

    Including the first Early look at the 2010 20-team FCS road to the National Championship in Frisco, TX.

  37. herbstreitsucks

    September 28, 2010 at 4:26 am

    All you guys really need to worry about is 10.09.10. BEAT ELON!

  38. clayton

    September 28, 2010 at 4:31 am

    So, I don't have to worry about work?

    Load off!

  39. yosef83

    September 28, 2010 at 4:43 am

    C'mon Clayton, do you ever worry about work?

  40. AppAttack

    September 28, 2010 at 4:54 am

    Take a deep breath and a sip of playoff kool aid and I'm sure you will come back to your senses. Those of you who want to keep ASU mired in this sorry alliance are getting exactly what you deserve.

    Some of you probably look forward with great anticipation to the day Montana, Villanova and other top programs move on. ASU will be THE big fish in the pond, always ranked #1, will lead every statstical catagory, win every player of the week award, get the #1 seed in the playoffs each year, and win every meaningless national championship. FCS bliss finally achieved.

  41. APPsenior

    September 28, 2010 at 4:56 am

    The coaches poll has us at #1 and that makes me happy. As for the folks thinking JMU should have the top spot…
    that's admirable…
    but you're traitors.

  42. asu7

    September 28, 2010 at 4:59 am

    I just don't understand how Elon can be ranked? One win against a D2 deserves nothing.

    C'mon man.

    Montana has lost 2 conference games already and are ranked above both them.

    C'mon man.

    The polls do play a part in the seeding for the playoffs. Numbers 1 and 2 are home throughout as long as they win. So we need to stay in the top 2.

    Beat ELOAN!

  43. Dan

    September 28, 2010 at 5:03 am

    Our bad AppAttack, we'll all refrain from rooting for App until we're in the Sun Belt.

  44. mgood89

    September 28, 2010 at 5:28 am

    Has anyone considered the possibility of App having to travel to a zero or one SoCon loss GaSouthern team for a defacto championship game a la Elon last year. Certainly an interesting and scary scenario.

  45. Fleetwood App

    September 28, 2010 at 5:44 am

    That's a very good point you raise there mgood. I'm very confident our guys could pull off the win but that is a scary proposition indeed.

    Oh and AppAttack, get a grip man.

  46. asu7

    September 28, 2010 at 5:46 am

    Right now we have to beat ELOAN before we do that.

  47. asu7

    September 28, 2010 at 5:47 am

    Still a scary thought tho.

  48. Dan

    September 28, 2010 at 6:11 am

    They've already gone over 500 yards twice this year, including against Elon. Our D needs to make some strides by the time we face them.

  49. tim

    September 28, 2010 at 6:20 am

    asu7, Montana has only lost one conference game…that was to EWU at "the Inferno" on the red turf. Their other loss was to Cal Poly from the Great West.

  50. asu7

    September 28, 2010 at 6:33 am

    My bad … I thought Cal Poly was in the conference.

  51. Derek

    September 28, 2010 at 6:47 am

    You watch, we're not playing this week and I'll be we fall a position or two after this week's games.

  52. tim

    September 28, 2010 at 8:46 am

    The bids for playoffs don’t go in until after the committee selects the top 4 seeds. As for the polls, everyone just settle down and let the season play out, and more importantly, conference play.

    -The CAA has yet to really start beating up on each other. I believe JMU and Deleware play each other in the next week or two. IIRC, Nova only gets to dodge one CAA power team (UMASS) this year.

    -I view Jax St. very similar to SCSU, in that they are a good team but they play weak competition. Yeah their win against Ole Miss was impressive but the Rebels were beating the Gamecocks down before letting off the gas. Unfortunately they couldn’t just turn it back on and lost in OT. UTC gave JSU all they could handle and forced them to come from behind in the 4th qtr. Yes I know ASU had to do the same, but it was done without the starting RB and 5th year senior in Coco. Not to mention breaking in a new D-coordinator (among other coaches).

    -While I like Elon being ranked (makes App’s schedule look tougher), they do not deserve it with their only win coming against DII Shaw. They were overrated to start the season. Leon’s O-line and young secondary are their achilles heel.

    -Montana should be at the bottom of the top 25 and they could fall farther since they lost their starting QB Andrew Selle to a career ending injury. Montana St. looks like the best team coming out of the Big Sky so far.

    -SFA looks to be the team flying under the radar. Most talk about them is their unsportsmanlike play. Either taking dives (faking injuries) against TxA&M or running up scores on their opponents. They’ve beat UNI and stomped Albany (59-14) and Lamar (71-3). They play “bye” this week and then open conference play against the Cowboys of McNeese St.

  53. bcoach

    September 28, 2010 at 9:32 am

    AppAttack
    It is hard when you have to ask a question in writing because sometimes it is misunderstood. I in no way am arguing, mad, wanting you to go away or anything negative. I am just curious. You feel that a National Championship in FCS is meaningless and that is what our program looks at as its goal. Why do you follow our team? Why don’t you follow a FBS team? I repeat I really am asking a question and not trying to argue one point or another. I have argued that I prefer FCS but that is not what this is about. I really want to understand why?

  54. yosef83

    September 28, 2010 at 10:48 am

    There's never been a national championship that's "meaningless"

  55. clayton

    September 28, 2010 at 11:11 am

    haha

  56. StuckinLodi

    September 28, 2010 at 11:16 am

    Since we're into the mostly useless science of Pollolgy 101:

    Big game in Harrisonburg this week as 4-0 JMU hosts 4-0 Delaware. Something has to give there. JMU also has UNH, UMASS, and W&M (all ranked) @ home in later dates. They travel to Richmond, Villanova and MAINE ON 11/20 BRRR! (when we are in Gainesville) If the Purple Fumblin' Pukes come out of that schedule unscathed(not likely) it will be hard to argue why they shouldn't be top seed come Thanksgiving.

    Also, Delaware hosts 'Nova on 11/20.

    On a side note and for what it's worth: Jacksonville is 3-1 with their only loss being @ The Rock and NCCU is 2-2 after winning their first MEAC game last week. We need both of those programs to keep on winning.

    Most importantly…..BEAT ELON!

  57. JIm

    September 28, 2010 at 11:19 am

    Is that Lodi, CA?

  58. DRM

    September 28, 2010 at 11:43 am

    I've always hoped it was a lyric from a Creedence tune.

  59. StuckinLodi

    September 28, 2010 at 11:46 am

    Lodi, VA… and it is from CCR.

  60. DRM

    September 28, 2010 at 11:48 am

    Geography or "revival," Lodi is correct. Playing in CAA is effectively the FCS equivalent of playing in SEC–difficult to find many easy conference games. More and more, I wish ASU was in CAA.

  61. clayton

    September 28, 2010 at 11:48 am

    You ever wish you had a dollar for every song you sung?

  62. StuckinLodi

    September 28, 2010 at 11:57 am

    Don't sing much. But I'm still lookin' for that pot of gold.

  63. jonmac

    September 28, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    Just give it time guys. The poll will work itself out. JMU will have at least 3 losses before it's over but will still probably make the playoffs. The ONLY thing the Apps need to do is WIN, the rest will take care of itself. And for those who say the only thing we need to worry about is the next game I say this…We are fans, we can talk about whatever game we want to and it won't affect the next game. It is not our focus that is important but that of the players who will actually play in the next game, let them worry about that. I'll pull just hard for us in the next game no matter which game I'm "worrying" about.

  64. DRM

    September 28, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    I just hope Appfan adds the Samford "W" before October 9. Symmetry is important.

  65. appnaysayer

    September 28, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    I didn't realize Clayton had a job. Another ASU success story!!!

    And DRM is coming around to my way of thinking about ASU in the CAA?

    This is too much for one day.

  66. AppAttack

    September 28, 2010 at 8:24 pm

    While we fans, members of the teams, coaches, and those associated with other FCS schools take an interest in the FCS national championship game, I find very few others who give a hoot about it. Of course it is important to the team. It is the championship of our division. Just as winning the SoCon is the primary focus, picking up the FCS title is the ultimate prize. It is a fine accomplishment and in no way are my comments intended to lessen the achievement on the part of the team. But, those reasons do not make it a meaningful game in the overall landscape of college football. As far as most of the college football watching world is concerned the FCS national championship is a non event. Far more than the bowls you guys constantly belittle. The national press, ESPN and the other major networks hardly notices it takes place. If that wasn’t bad enough it now looks like the NCAA doesn't care much either. Awarding the title game to a state that has produced a single I-AA / FCS championship participant (SF Austin 1989) over 32 years and hundreds of miles from the divisional powers fan bases is just plain stupid. To add insult to injury it is being played in a soccer stadium with a stage at one end, on the same date as the Cotton Bowl – a mere 43 miles down the road – AT THE SAME TIME. Some of you please attempt to convince me that is showing respect for FCS football. The game will again be broadcast on one of ESPN’s sub channels and feature a no name broadcast team that will devote a great deal of time to discussing the bowls and upcoming BCS title game. If you can’t see it, I can’t help you.

    So you think I should follow a FBS team? My thought is along the lines of perhaps you should follow someone like Gardner Webb. Considering they have zero chance of ever moving up you would not have to be bothered with fighting that idea. They offer close parking to the stadium and cheap ticket prices for seats on the 50. They have small crowds so you could get home early. Instead of attempting to hold ASU's program back why not adopt one that more suits your ideal level of football?

    You ask why I support ASU. First and foremost, it is my school. I enjoy the fellowship with my friends tailgating and at the games. Another reason is my hope the program will one day get back to the level (in terms competition) it was back in the 70’s and early 80’s and my long term financial support will not have been in vain. Yea I know I’m supposed to give in order for some deserving student athlete to have the opportunity to get a degree and find a good job upon graduating. Blah, blah, blah….. You know I wouldn’t have a hard time with that line if ASU was the only school offering the kid that chance. But we all know that isn’t the case. You guys like to espouse the purity and wholesomeness of FCS football like it is some sort of throwback to a bygone era. Give me a break. We go after talented athletes, regardless if they are deserving or not, with the same intent as those evil FBS programs. The job of the coaches is to find players who can win games and do a credible job in the classroom. Don’t get me wrong, I’m certainly not knocking it. I want to win as badly as the next guy and am willing to pay for it. My issue is with the hypocrisy of it all.

    Contrary to popular belief I have nothing against the playoffs. Although my preference would be they start with what will now be round three and get rid of the teams which shouldn’t be involved in the first place. Must say I do have a hard time wrapping my mind around the idea of sacrificing the possibility of eleven great regular season games just to get into a playoff. Starting to hear some grumbling how season ticket dollars are to some extent, a waste of good money. Hard for some to justify the expense to see Jacksonville, NC Central, and some of our other wonderfully competitive SoCon teams in this robust economy. You think I’m being a bit too harsh? What are we up to now? Twenty three straight conference wins and going for a sixth straight conference championships. Buddy, THAT’S exciting! I always thought it was more exciting when there was a possibility we could lose the game. Silly me.

    Sorry for the long winded response, but I had to give you folks the unabridged version. Long day tomorrow, time to go to bed. You may fire when ready. Peace.

  67. Stressn

    September 29, 2010 at 2:46 am

    No more coffee for AppAttack.

  68. Dan

    September 29, 2010 at 3:28 am

    "While we fans, members of the teams, coaches, and those associated with other FCS schools take an interest in the FCS national championship game, I find very few others who give a hoot about it."

    Sub out 'FCS Championship Game" and replace it with "Non-BCS Bowl" and your sentence doesn't lose any validity.

    As far as fans who like where we're at that whole "root for Gardner Webb" argument makes no sense. We're happy with what we have, unlike yourself. If we move, we move and we'll continue to root, unlike people who just want to bitch about being FCS all the time.

    Not sure if you've paid attention, but at least Ga. Southern and Furman appear to be better this year, oh yeah and Nooga was one or two plays from putting us in a 0-1 hole. Sorry to bust the SoCon cake walk bubble. Of course, there's no telling what their records will look like when we meet, but I for one am happy they can apparently put up a fight (to say nothing of 2007-2008 where we beat Ga. Southern by 1 in the closing minutes and lost in 2007, and The Citadel was up big on us last year before we pulled it out in OT).

    As far as your Yosef contribution being "wasted", glad to see all you're really thinking about is football. Never mind that those dollars go to pay for scholarships to all our student athletes, plenty of whom don't play money sports like football or basketball. Guess it's not really worth it unless the alums are thoroughly entertained.

  69. Bcoach

    September 29, 2010 at 3:41 am

    AppAttack
    If you read what I wrote I didn't ask you to go follow a FBS team I asked why you didn't. In fact I started out by saying I didn't want you to go away I just wanted to understand. You answered that very well. I don't have some of the concerns that you do but now I understand your position. I think the big difference is that I just don't care if the rest of the world is watching us. I go to the games because I like to watch the team play. To be honest I really don't care if the guy next to me is watching. I would like to play better competition and FCS has it. We just need to schedule it.

    Do keep in mind one thing though. The stupid decision to hold the championship where and when it is, was not some mystical NCAA god. Administrators from the Universities involved to include our own had a hand in it. Kind of like punching yourself in the face then blaming it on sombody else.

  70. GUMP

    September 29, 2010 at 3:57 am

    Just stupid……..

  71. clayton

    September 29, 2010 at 4:09 am

    Yeah. Sometimes I forget I have a job.

  72. DRM

    September 29, 2010 at 6:47 am

    Though Furple and GaSo seem to be returning to form and though Chattanooga is showing promise, SoCon still has Western, and Samford seems disappointing thus far. I do think we would be better off, long-term, in CAA. I think for myself, however. Except when I don't.

    Speaking of (completely unrelated) thinking, I think MLB should move out of Florida. Both cities. And I think NFL should consider moving out of North Carolina, though a far better solution would be a league-organized takeover (coup d’etat?) of the Panthers organization, replacing current ownership, management and coaches with less myopic types, whether or not they activate AE. A change of uniforms and colors wouldn't hurt, either.

    I have two jobs. But in one of them I hired myself.

  73. Dan

    September 29, 2010 at 7:55 am

    Does that really count then?

  74. AppBanker

    September 29, 2010 at 8:16 am

    There's NFL in North Carolina?

  75. Will B Dunn

    September 29, 2010 at 8:48 am

    Dan must think ASU's other coaches offer scholarships based on need without any regard to talent.

  76. Dan

    September 29, 2010 at 9:50 am

    My point, Will, was that Yosef dollars aren't there to pay for entertaining the masses with football, as AppAttack suggests.

  77. DRM

    September 29, 2010 at 10:26 am

    Counts as a job, yes. But not as an accomplishment in landing that one.

  78. AppAttack

    September 29, 2010 at 7:08 pm

    I am sure everyone is tickled pink we have Dan here to tell us what is actually being suggested by someone other than what they actually wrote. You have a big future as an Obama spin doctor old boy. Please show me where I singled out football as far as Yosef dollars are concerned. Wonder how many athletes receiving aide from good old ASU did not have offers from other institutions of higher education? It isn't we simply pick some deserving student out of the huddled masses and lay some cash on them. There are strings attached to every penny Yosef awards. If you don't believe that, you are a fool.

    Judging by the attendance for these non BCS bowls you so dispise it is pretty obvious they, in the eyes of MOST college football fans around the nation, are far more meaningful than the FCS championship. Try as hard as you wish Dan you will not be able to make FCS football more than what it is. Before you go all postal on me please understand that isn't a put down, just reality.

    Gee, I feel so much better now that teams are playing us close. One thing wrong with your examples. All those games you refer to have one thing in common. They went into the win column for ASU. Don't you know close is a term only used by losers.

  79. carbine

    September 29, 2010 at 7:34 pm

    There is no way ASU belongs in the top ten with the second-rate defense we have now. Our offense (and our reputation) will propel us into the playoffs, even with a conference loss or two, but unless we get better play from the defense we'll be done early.

  80. AppAttack

    September 29, 2010 at 7:54 pm

    Glad I was able to clear a few things up bcoach. It was not my intention to come across as angry, because I am not. Fact is I am about as happy of a guy you will ever meet. The GW stuff was obviously a feeble attempt (according to Dan) to point out there are two ways of looking at the issue. Here is some food for thought. Wonder if the folks who wanted ASU to remain D-II back in the 60's resisted the move like we see happening now? I have to believe the same concerns over budgets, conference, travel, additional scholarships, and ect were hot topics back then as well. Fortunately we had a visionary in Dr. Plemmons at the helm who was able to see past all the distractions and move the athletics program forward. I view Ken Peacock in the same light.

    Although you say may not care what the rest of the world thinks about ASU most diehard FCS supporters I know feed their egos off the attention. Why else do they cling to the polls – just look at this thread, national statistical rankings, All American teams, and a national championship game? Players and coaches view a championship as an accomplishment, a goal achieved. But to most fans it is simply a means to brag about their school. Like you, I go to watch the games, but have grown tired of beating up on all the little kids in the neighborhood. Winning isn’t nearly as sweet as when the outcome is in doubt.

    I'm not so sure our administration had a hand in the selection of Frisco Texas. One phone call to the third floor of the administration building should provide the answer. The NCAA made this decision based on their prior association with the Pizza Hut Corporation and the amount of money they were willing to kick in. As is the case in everything, follow the money and it will lead you to the answer you seek.

    I have no intention of going away unless the good folks at AppFan ban me. I’ll take that giant cup of double roast now.

  81. Dan

    September 30, 2010 at 1:16 am

    Sorry AppAttack, I'm kind of done with this conversation now. I just wish people would stop bringing it up on every thread.

  82. AppMan

    September 30, 2010 at 7:00 am

    Don't stop now Dan this exchange between you two has been great entertainment!

  83. Dan

    September 30, 2010 at 7:13 am

    Glad it's been entertaining, but it's such an old discussion and nobody's changing anybody's mind and the last time I checked, I didn't have an e-mail from Peacock asking me what I thought about going FBS.

  84. appnaysayer

    September 30, 2010 at 7:57 am

    What I find most interesting is that Appattack apparently doesn't like hypocrisy, but has no problem with universities going after "students" based on athletic talent.

    That's the real hypocrisy in all college sports, the denial of "pay to play." While I'm not sure what might fall out of our athletic department if you shook it real hard, I still think our hands are cleaner than those of schools in the FBS simply because the stakes are lower. That, in and of itself, makes FCS better in my opinion. It's alumni attitudes of "win at all costs," "compete with the big boys," etc. that generally lead to scandals. Can I get a witness UNC?

    Besides, ASU is so small we can't hide athletes in summer school and no-brain classes. We have to put them in with (mostly) real students.

  85. bcoach

    September 30, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    Well I guess when you made that call to the third floor you got the answer. I just can't figure out why Pizza Hut would shell out big money for a game nobody in the country cares about. Hope their management didn't go to our business school.

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