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gah gah goo goo foozballAs most know, App State-Georgia has been plotted for many years. Payout for App State? A reported $400,000. Compare and contrast – “Georgia has added South Alabama to its 2014 home football schedule. Georgia will pay the Mobile, Ala., school $900,000 to make the trip for the Nov. 8, 2014, game.” South Alabama’s Sun Belt program is 2(!) years old.


  1. Bunky

    March 18, 2011 at 10:31 am

    Just heard from a VERY reliable source that App St has received an invite from the Sun Belt Conf. and is expected to join. Can anyone else corroborate? And yes, I'm being serious.

  2. AppGrad78

    March 18, 2011 at 10:35 am

    If we join the Sun Belt, my 32-year membership in the Yosef Club will end.

  3. DRM

    March 18, 2011 at 10:41 am

    Arbitrarily assuming a 50 percent in-state, 50 percent out-of-state split on the 44 additional scholarships required by a move to FBS (and assuming we actually add 22 women's scholarships instead of cutting some number of men's non-football scholarships so as to maintain Title IX compliance), $500,000 additional revenue would roughly cover the cost (about $5,800 in-state tuition and fees, about $16,500 out-of-state, average about $11,150). That analysis ignores the extra cost of traveling more players to Georgia (or wherever), if indeed FBS teams are allowed a larger travel squad than are FCS teams–on that point, I'm completely in the dark.

  4. Bunky

    March 18, 2011 at 10:41 am

    Also ASU will eliminate golf, men's tennis and 1-2 other programs as part of the move.

  5. DRM

    March 18, 2011 at 10:44 am

    If that's true (men's sport(s) being eliminated, not necessarily joining Sun Belt), then the $500K additional revenue would very comfortably cover the cost of 22 additional football scholarships, with at least $200K left over.

    But didn't Cobb say that joining Sun Belt wasn't an option because the revenues available (TV, presumably) weren't adequate to cover addtional travel costs nearly equal to CUSA's?

  6. JMcCray

    March 18, 2011 at 10:49 am

    That's what I remember.

  7. bcoach

    March 18, 2011 at 11:08 am


    What do you think the chances are we add 22 womens scholarships?

  8. MJT

    March 18, 2011 at 11:23 am

    Unless App goes FBS by 2013, I would think Georgia may cancel the game against App. I'm not sure what the buyout would be to cancel the game, but the new AD at Georgia isn't a fan of games against FCS schools. Georgia has Coastal Carolina on the schedule for 2011, but I wouldn't be surprised to see the FCS games start dropping from their future schedules.

  9. cbarrier90

    March 18, 2011 at 11:34 am

    If we were to go Son Belt, Cobb would probably have to high tail it out of Boone faster than that basketball coach did a couple of years ago…

  10. Jack

    March 18, 2011 at 11:49 am

    Midwest explained this sales tactic in a previous post. Cobb and ASU leak these stories about the Sun Belt and SOCON in hopes that alumni will step up when confUSA comes to the table (Hopefully ConfUSA is already at this hypothetical secret table.) I sure hope Midwest is right and Cobb is this smart. If not, a lot of folks will be very upset. On another note; Can someone be sitting at a hypothetical table?


    March 18, 2011 at 12:07 pm

    Plain and simple, we have one and only one choice… and it's CUSA. Staying in the FCS will make our program and school die on the vine.

    The deal is done and it's not the Sun Belt, I promise you that. I'm sure the Sun Belt is interested, but we're not.

  12. clayton

    March 18, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    I don't know, he did capitalize VERY. That's pretty serious.


    March 18, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    Let me also say that if Cobb couldn't get the deal done with CUSA with all the ammunition he has, he would get fired. However, it will get done and he will get a lot of credit in the end. No worries.

  14. The rock

    March 18, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    "On another note; Can someone be sitting at a hypothetical table?"

    Hypothetically, yes.

  15. Jon

    March 18, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    Please not the Sun Belt. I don't want week night games.


    March 18, 2011 at 1:00 pm

    Since I haven't mentioned King 0(zero not letter) this week, I thought I'd share this article. Looks like I'm not the only one who thinks he's the weakest president in history. The international community is finding him to be a joke as well.

  17. Mikeyosef

    March 18, 2011 at 1:40 pm

    Dude! Midwest! Man, I like your rants regarding our move up, etc. but please quit injecting politics into this blog…it tis a crock and it stinkith, mightily!

  18. Mikeyosef

    March 18, 2011 at 1:44 pm

    Oh, and BTW the thought of us moving to the sun belch just made me throw up a little in my mouth!

  19. appscholar09

    March 18, 2011 at 1:52 pm

    So, from the comments the past couple of days, Cobb should be fired if we do anything that doesn't result in us joining CUSA. I'm going to play devil's advocate here (I'd love for us to go CUSA), but, what if CUSA doesn't want us?

  20. cbarrier90

    March 18, 2011 at 4:02 pm

    It's not that he should be fired. It's that ALOT of people are going to be upset if what happens is not what we've been hearing for the past month. At this point, there's so much talk going on I'll be disappointed if something doesn't happen at all.

  21. AppGrad78

    March 18, 2011 at 4:19 pm

    It's not so much a bait-n-switch as it is barely a lateral move for our athletics programs.


    March 18, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    I think Cobb has showed his hand by putting himself that far out there. This fact either demonstrates that the deal is done or that he's the biggest idiot on the planet.

    Mike- I've been too nice lately, sorry. When I see the President of the US spending 30 minutes showing everyone his picks on national TV while the world crumbles around us, it is upsetting. He's the freakng president, not head of his fraternity's NCAA pool.

  23. ceez

    March 18, 2011 at 6:44 pm

    Sun Belt equals pointless bowl games and play in or 15 seeds in the big dance

    conference usa equals pointless bowl games that pay more with higher seeds in the big dance with a chance of an undeserved at large bid (see UAB)

    To me sun belt would be like taking the entry level job with hopes of more conference moves in the future. If c usa doesn't knock at the door do we take the entry level job or remain in the basement of our trailer park (still waiting for midwest to explain how this is possible) eating our moms meat loaf contributing to the rapid obesity rate which plaques this country. Left with only a thought of had we only drafted those large midwest lineman, because nobody in the midwest is over weight yet we should get their bulky lineman

  24. ceez

    March 18, 2011 at 6:45 pm

    Recruit not draft *

  25. Michael

    March 18, 2011 at 7:35 pm

    Look, I know a lot of people think that anything short of joining the ACC or SEC is pointless, but I think there's a lot of merit to joining C-USA. I don't see it in the Sun Belt, and it doesn't have to do with the bowl games… To paraphrase ceez, the Sun Belt's bowl tie-ins suck; C-USA's bowl tie-ins suck, too, just not as much.

    Conference USA, for one thing, is a whole lot more revenue friendly for us, which is important since both conferences will blow the athletic dept's travel budget beyond anything it's ever dealt with.

    Second, C-USA has two schools ASU has two rivals-in-waiting with two C-USA members. Both schools have played ASU numerous times. Our history with Sun Belt schools hardly even exists.

    Third, C-USA has a pretty bright future. Kevin Sumlin at Houston, June Jones at SMU, George O'Leary at UCF, Ruffin McNeill at ECU, and Bill Blakenship at Tulsa have piled up some impressive wins in recent years. It isn't that far fetched to imagine one of them becoming "BCS busters" in the next few years. With the Sun Belt, not so much.

    Finally, as much as some like to disparage C-USA, its programs still have had a much more significant impact on college sports than the Sun Belt has ever dreamed about:

    – Houston had the '89 Heisman winner and Phi Slamma Jamma.

    – Memphis' basketball team is sometimes shady but it's still solid

    – SMU was a true national power in football in the 50's, 60's, and most infamously, in the early 80's. We all know how that turned out.

    – Southern Miss is famous as Brett Favre's alma mater, and it's been a consistent winner

    – Rice has a college baseball powerhouse

    – UTEP had one of the most famous national championship victories ever; they were then known as Texas Western

    – UCF is Daunte Culpepper's alma mater, and it's also one of the nation's largest universities.

    – Marshall is Randy Moss' and Chad Pennington's alma mater.

    – ECU is known nationally for its knack for beating West Virginia and ACC teams from the Carolinas and Virginia.

    – Even Tulane can claim something special: it's '98 undefeated season and its legacy as an ex-SEC member

    I'd be pleased if App was associated with those programs.

    What can be said of any Sun Belt member? I know Troy once upset Oklahoma State. I know that FAU's coach is Howard Schnellenburger. I know that W. Kentucky went to the Sweet 16 a few years ago. Otherwise, the league is basically as anonymous as the SoCon.

  26. carbine

    March 18, 2011 at 8:31 pm

    There's not a dime's worth of difference between CUSA and Sunbelt. They're both wanna-be leagues populated mostly with teams that real FBS schools schedule for homecoming.

  27. Michael

    March 18, 2011 at 9:52 pm

    Really carbine?

    If you really believe that, then you'd also fall for this: There's not a dime's worth of difference between FCS and Division 2. They're both JV levels of football filled with schools most of America has never heard of that play games in front of high school sized crowds.

    I'm fine with people who don't want us to move up because of costs, because they love the playoffs, because of concern that moving to FBS would further compromise the integrity of "student-athlete" at App State, etc., but let's not be so narrow that we can't see the difference between a league that's never even had a team ranked in the top 25 and a league that has team ranked almost every year. Fox Sports clearly sees a difference between C-USA and the Sun Belt, to the tune of $14 million a year, so you bet there's much more than a "dime's worth of difference."

  28. Michael

    March 18, 2011 at 10:02 pm

    Actually, the $14 million is from Fox and CBS Sports combined, but the point remains that C-USA's market value is clearly worth far more than the Sun Belt, whether or not anyone on this blog wants to believe it.

  29. Bunky

    March 19, 2011 at 3:09 am

    Don't think I was excited about hearing this. It came from someone on staff in the Athletic dept. I hope (like most of you) that he's jerking my chain. I hope he is, I'd rather be in C-USA too.

    Carbine, seriously? C-USA isn't the be-all, end-all, but it's better than the Fun Belt by many degrees. Folks, we all know we've crossed the Rubicon: App State is making a move to FBS.

    Now we just have to figure out where…

  30. yosef82

    March 19, 2011 at 4:33 am


    March 18, 2011 at 3:34 pm

    If we were to go Son Belt, Cobb would probably have to high tail it out of Boone faster than that basketball coach did a couple of years ago…

    INCORRECT my man! Cobb is the original "Teflon Don". Nothing sticks to has a$$ but the sweet smell of mediocrity.


    March 19, 2011 at 5:28 am

    App will not join a conference with no "natural" rivalries or potential rivalries.

    I will continue to oppose our joining the SunBelt. CUSA provides potentially 2-3 natural rivalries with more in the making.

    Carbine- you just showed everyone your football ignorance…

    SunBelt: Troy, FIU, MTSU, ULM, Ark St, FAU, North Texas, WKU

    Conf USA: ECU, Marshall, UCF, Memphis, SMU, Southern Miss, UAB, Tulsa, UTEP, Tulane, Houston, Rice

    No comparison? I'd say so. CUSA is FAR superior.

  32. bcoach

    March 19, 2011 at 6:56 am

    This does not make me happy but if our only invite is from Sunbelt we will take it. That will also probably be against Charlies wishes.

  33. appscholar09

    March 19, 2011 at 7:26 am

    Michael, I wasn't, and I'm pretty sure ceez isn't (it's called satire) saying that the Sun Belt should be chosen over CUSA. What we're saying is IF Sun belt offers an invitation and CUSA doesn't, do we go Sun Belt or stay FCS? In this situation CUSA isn't an option because they don't want us. I'm a little surprised at Midwest's response as I thought he would be a "move-up at all costs" person, but I agree that I don't think we should go Sun Belt.

  34. ASU Lacrosse 18

    March 19, 2011 at 7:36 am

    Off topic, but were switching to a 3-4 defense.

  35. ceez

    March 19, 2011 at 8:15 am

    Better have the right players to run a 3-4. Ask UGA how it works out when you dont have the right players. I would have rather ran that defense with DJ and Bozzo in the middle. I don' know how I feel about switching with newbies plugging those spots

  36. bcoach

    March 19, 2011 at 8:29 am


    Sometimes people back themselves into a corner. If the only choice is Sunbelt then according to Midwest we should stay "JV". After all that has been said about how second rate that is, what do you say now?

  37. Waco Kid

    March 19, 2011 at 8:29 am

    Ceez- We have 3 300Lbs guys starting on D-Line in the 3-4 with Tanyi and Rizor moving to OLB. Talk about having some beef on the field!

    I think the idea of going Sun Belt is a stretch, but cutting 3 men's sports (possibly FH) is going to happen.

  38. bcoach

    March 19, 2011 at 8:34 am

    I was also just messing with someone on my last Sunbelt post but he didn't bite.

  39. bcoach

    March 19, 2011 at 8:36 am


    I think you are right. I can't see us adding 22 extra womens spots so I think the mens cuts have to come.

  40. AppFan698084

    March 19, 2011 at 9:28 am

    I read "AppFan" at least twice a day and have not posted as to the question of our athletic program.

    Charlie Cobb is scheduled to meet with the Alumni Council next Saturday morning at the McKinney Alumni Center between 8am and noon.

    It will be very interesting to hear what he has to say and the reaction of the membership. There will be a number of questions but as to what he will tell us remains to be seen. He

    does not meet with us very often.

    More importantly, the Past Presidents Committee are to have lunch with members of the administration at the athletic complex shortly after the council meeting. This is a very diverse group in terms of age, gender, experience, and dedication to the university, and we always have very definite opinions about any matter regarding to ASU. I am sure the question of athletics will be discussed, but I won't say publically what the opinions will be, but just about everyone in this group are members of the Yosef Club at a high level, and were very vocal about the change and price of parking several years ago. In fact, some no longer park in the stadium lot and have given a great deal of thought as to their personal involvement with athletics. Also, you must understand that most of us are very involved in many aspects of the university and serve on a number of boards, so we certainly understand the implications of the role of athletics in the total picture. You may not be aware that we are now involved in a financial campaign hoping to raise millions of dollars, and the public phase will be announced this fall. The total could be in and around 200 million. I have often wondered the feelings of the Foundation Board as the study of the athletic program is in process at this time.

    It should be an interesting meeting and I look forward to the opinions of both groups as we look at the future of the athletic program. We may not know anymore after next Saturday than before, but at least we will have a face to face meeting with administration and have an opportunity to voice our opinions and at least we will have an opportunity to have our say. Whether it will make any difference remains to be seen.

  41. AIG

    March 19, 2011 at 10:30 am

    I have heard that GaSouthern is looking to jump to FBS and plans to join the Sun Belt.


    March 19, 2011 at 10:32 am

    If Cobb can't close the deal with the FBS, he needs to bring in some big guns to get the deal done (ie me).




  43. AIG

    March 19, 2011 at 10:40 am

    I hope we don't get left behind!

  44. AppFan698084

    March 19, 2011 at 11:06 am

    AIG, You need to go on the Georgia Southern site and look at their feasibility study. You might find it very interesting.

  45. Michael

    March 19, 2011 at 11:14 am


    My comments were not directed at you or at ceez. Rather, I was agreeing with ceez that C-USA's bowl tie-ins are a little better than the Sun Belt's, but they're still third-rate. I was just trying to illustrate that the merits of the Sun Belt vs. C-USA aren't about the bowl games, anyway. They're about the quality of the conference during the 49 weeks of the year that don't have bowl games. Clearly, C-USA stands out. C-USA may even end up being the best of the non-AQ conferences after the MWC finishes reshuffling in 2012. Boise will certainly be the strongest program in either conference, but after that it's pretty even: Air Force, Fresno, Hawaii, Nevada, and San Diego State (sans Brady Hoke) vs. UCF, ECU, SMU, Houston, and Tulsa.

    Now if C-USA is off the table and the Sun Belt is the only FBS option, well… that would be pretty awful. That's a no-win situation. I just don't see the Sun Belt getting anywhere. Students and alumni of the schools there are in the middle of ACC/SEC/Big 12 territory and their teams give them very little to get excited about. It's bad enough at C-USA schools, but ECU, UCF, Houston, SMU, Tulsa, etc. at least offer a quality product. The Sun Belt just does not seem like a good move. Wherever we go, if we go anywhere, it needs to be somewhere we can honestly say to ourselves, "If we're still in this league 20 years from now, we're confident it will be a good place." With the Sun Belt, we'll always be desperate to get out. The league just seems like a dead-end. With C-USA, sure, we'd always like to be in a BCS league, but we wouldn't be desperate. So I say that we should stay in the SoCon and concentrate on building the whole athletic program from where we are. I think Montana was right: it's better to stay FCS than to join a crummy, dead-end league just to be called "FBS." But that's just my opinion.

  46. cbarrier90

    March 19, 2011 at 11:29 am

    Looking at the conference movements, by 2012 C-USA could be the premier non-AQ conference in the country. The new MWC will just be the WAC with a different name, the WAC might be dead, and the Sun Belt will still be the same.

    And some people on here are trying to say the SoCon is on par with C-UsA…it's not even close.

  47. Big Dave

    March 19, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    If the only invitation we get is Sunbelt what do we do? I really don't think that is Charley's fault. AND for you Charley haters remember what we had before Charley and be thankful we have someone that cas see past the city limits of Boone.

    Also if you think about it what do we bring economically to CUSA? Boone isn't exactly a thriving TV market or an urban city. What is the upside for CUSA to invite us? If people are not knocking down our doors then I don't see much choice except to pay our dues or really lobby to create a new conference.

  48. Colonel

    March 19, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    Big Dave is an idiot in general. He is right though; Boone is not a thriving tv market.

  49. carbine

    March 19, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    "No comparison? I’d say so. CUSA is FAR superior."

    As usual midwest misses the point. THEY BOTH SUCK AT FBS FOOTBALL!!!! NEITHER IS A SERIOUS FBS CONFERENCE!!!!!

  50. appthunder90

    March 19, 2011 at 8:10 pm

    yeah ecu never beats big teams

  51. cbarrier90

    March 19, 2011 at 8:49 pm

    C-USA sucks at the FBS level? Have you watched any college football outside of Boone?

  52. Colonel

    March 20, 2011 at 6:25 am

    What do you mean Barrier90?? According to Gonzo, no one is allowed to watch anything but App, or else they are not a true fan of App.

  53. bcoach

    March 20, 2011 at 7:11 am

    I am sure the question of athletics will be discussed, but I won’t say publically what the opinions will be, but just about everyone in this group are members of the Yosef Club at a high AppFan698084

    March 19, 2011 at 1:28 pm

    Why would you not share those opinions? I keep hearing that this is a very open discuccion yet we don't get much information from the study group. If you represent the Alumni why would you not share your opinions?

  54. bcoach

    March 20, 2011 at 7:19 am

    You guys have a point. What is the tv market? Some say that we control the Charlotte tv market but then say that UNCC will destroy us in Charlotte. Which is it?

  55. Zen

    March 20, 2011 at 7:27 am


    Use a little logic. Both statements could be true since UNC-Carowinds does not have a football team at present.

    Not saying that either statement is true, just that both could be.


    March 20, 2011 at 8:24 am

    Most App alum do not live in Boone, so why do we keep talking about the Boone TV market. If you live in Boone, you'll be at the game.

    I do believe it is Cobb's fault if they deal does not get done with CUSA. We are in the best position we could possibly be in to join CUSA, so I'm not sure whose fault it would be other than the guy who couldn't get the deal done.

    I'm not worried whatsoever.

  57. bcoach

    March 20, 2011 at 8:42 am


    Ya think it just might be possible I was talking about when they do? I mean don't ya think that is what all the yack has been about?


    It would not be his fault if they just don't want us. I love us but maybe they don't.

  58. appscholar09

    March 20, 2011 at 9:01 am

    "We are in the best position we could possibly be in to join CUSA"

    Seriously? There's no way out position could be better? So, if we had won a couple more national titles, beaten Florida and/or LSU, or if in the future we were in the Sun Belt for a couple of years with fantastic records (maybe 1 or 2 losses) wouldn't put us in a better position? Neither of those would have any impact on how much CUSA would want us?

    Stop being delusional. I love App State and I wouldn't pull for anyone else, but to not be able to see why CUSA might want someone who has proven themselves at the FBS level or who is from a bigger city is completely unreasonable. I think that we would be a better choice, and I hope that they see that we would be a better choice, but at some point you have to see it from their point of view. They don't come to Boone on Saturday's so they have no idea what our program is really like.

  59. AppFan698084

    March 20, 2011 at 9:33 am

    bcoach, I can't really speak for the entire council or the past presidents. The Alumni Council has always been very careful about taking

    a public stand on such an issue as this because of our position with the university. I have pushed for this group to be more proactive in the past so we will see.

    The past presidents have always been very vocal but only as individuals. I want to see what happens Saturday. I don't know what members of the administration will be meeting with us. I don't want to mislead you that it will be all from athletics since we are having lunch at the athletic complex. I would imagine we will meet with Dr. Peacock, Susan Pettyjohn, and others. There may be several from athletics, but I do't know at this point.

    I think they will know how most of us feel after Saturday. From my point of view, I have spoken with several on campus with the concern that we make the right decision for the university as a whole, not just from an athletic viewpoint. I know the faculty and staff are very concerned considering the economic times and the needs in the academic side of things. I served on several academic boards, and they are facing cuts in budget, loss of faculty, cuts in class offerings, and high class size. They do not buy the idea that athletics are totally separate from the reat of the campus.

    One last point. Why hasn't Charlie Cobb, Dr. Peacock, and the study committee offered a survey to all stakeholders such as faculty, staff, Yosef Club memebers, and the students.

    If you look at the Georgia Southern Study, most of the groups on campus were surveyed as to their feelings on athletics. By the way, Villanova has a study out where the faculty is extremely critical of any move in athletics. I have read them both and both reports are very interesting in the viewpoints of all concerned, and what it will take to move to a higher level.

    We will see after Saturday morning.

  60. AIG

    March 20, 2011 at 10:50 am

    I am afraid that if the faculty has their way App would dissolve all Athletics. We would have to pull for the Debate Team. Think they could draw 30,000?

  61. Michael

    March 20, 2011 at 11:24 am

    Conferences look at a lot of things when determining what they believe new members can add in terms of television value.

    1) They look at the size of the school's home town. This may matter the least. Lincoln, Nebraska is smaller than even Asheville is, but the University of Nebraska is inarguably a valuable TV property. By contrast, the University of Miami is located in a much, much larger city, but because the "U" has fairweather support locally, its overall TV value is hardly better, if not less than, Nebraska's.

    2) They look at the reach of the school's impact at the local/state level. Clemson's true market isn't at all limited to the tiny city of Clemson. Clemson's true local market is Greenville/Spartanburg/Asheville, where it's decidedly the #1 sports interest. To a slightly lesser extent, Columbia, Charleston, and Myrtle Beach are Clemson's local market, too because there's such an interest in them all over the state. Even Charlotte covers Clemson a good bit because many of its viewer live in the SC suburbs just south of Charlotte.

    3) They look at the school's level of market penetration. Schools like Auburn, Alabama, and Nebraska are in tiny to small markets, but their market penetration is deep. Rutgers, though only 20 miles from NYC, barely blips on the local sports radar unless its football team starts out 9-0.

    4) They look at the school's level of overall national interest. This is why the Big Ten opted for Nebraska over Missouri, which is in a much, much more populated state.


    So, how does this apply to App State? Well, factor #1 will not be a deciding factor. Dozens of FBS colleges are in small towns.

    Factor #2 does matter. Conference USA will look much more favorably upon App State if it believes ASU has a strong presence in Charlotte, the Triad, RDU, Asheville, and in the small cities east of I-95.

    Factor #3 is critical. C-USA knows App State has very little market reach beyond state borders. In other words, viewership for ASU games may be a little stronger in surrounding states than in, say, Pennsylvania, but not enough for them to be a selling point to TV partners. So C-USA it would need interest in ASU to be as strong as possible across the state. If C-USA believes ASU can bring a big boost to C-USA ratings in many parts of the state, then it also believes that ASU can, relative to other C-USA teams, carry a very sizable market. THAT is what really matters, not the size of Boone.

    Factor #4 is going to be limited for just about any team not in an AQ conference. That said, App State is going to command more national interest than most candidates to be C-USA members. ASU carries the reputation as a multiple-championship team and as a giant-killer. No Sun Belt team offers that to the casual fan, nor does Louisiana Tech, UNCC, or Temple.

  62. AppGrad78

    March 20, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    Wow. Intelligent, unbiased analysis. Thank you Michael for putting it together.

  63. Zen

    March 20, 2011 at 1:48 pm


    –"Some say that we control the Charlotte tv market but then say that UNCC will destroy us in Charlotte. Which is it?"

    Your original question requested an "either or" answer. That clearly indicates your position is that the two statements can't simultaneously be true, or that a person espousing both ideas is somehow being inconsistent. That simply isn't true. ASU could certainly control the Charlotte TV market today and be ousted by UNC-Carowinds in the future. One of the ideas is based in present circumstances and one is based on future circumstances. Therefore, demanding that only one can be "correct" is useless and absurd.

    Here endeth the lesson.

  64. Colonel

    March 20, 2011 at 3:40 pm

    Zen hates it when UNC grads talk down and condescend to App grads. He then does the same thing to UNCC. Hypocrisy at its best. Plus, he wants to talk down to bcoach, a fellow App grad. Zen, you are pathetic and it's my guess that your mom and dad were brother and sister.

  65. bunky

    March 20, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    Michael, thanks for your analysis. Nice job breaking down key factors that matter to the larger conferences. I have to agree with most of you, I don't want to move up to FBS so badly that I want App State in the Sun Belt. If that happened, hopefully ASU would quickly rise to the top, win some conference titles and then get an offer from a bigger conference like C-USA.

    With that said, if we do get an offer to join C-USA, I think we need to be happy with it. We also need to realize that C-USA would probably be our "ceiling." Given that App State has deep roots and strong fan interest in a narrow geographic area (the Carolinas/Virginia and part of Tennessee), it would be ridiculous to think that the ACC or another AQ conference would ever give us a second look.

    All in all, that would be OK with me. What we wouldn't want to do is have some success, then be like ECU alums who expect after every football season to get an invite from the Big East but never do.

  66. Zen

    March 20, 2011 at 6:34 pm


    Please tell me where I was wrong in my response to bcoach.

    Oh, I forgot…you can't. If you possessed the ability to refute my logic, you would have no need to name call or launch personal attacks.

    Also, please provide at least one example of my hypocrisy relating to condescending talk from a UNC grad.

    This is a two-part process, and to help you keep up, I'll type very slowly.

    To prove hypocrisy, you need to list an example of me pissing and moaning about, or taking offense to, something a UNC grad has said about me or ASU. Also, you need to provide an example of me condescending to UNCC.

    If you can't do so…I'll be happy to accept your public apology and attach it to the end of every post I make for the next month.

    If you respond as I expect you to -with more insults, unfounded character attacks and a complete lack of logic- everyone here will know your true character.

  67. bcoach

    March 21, 2011 at 3:54 am


    There is no TV today. We are still in the SOCON so where is your present circumstance?

  68. bcoach

    March 21, 2011 at 6:10 am


    Not argumentative just a comment.

    It is sad that that organization that is supposed to represent us holds things so close to the vest. Actually I believe that you are the very people to poll us and make the results public. With that said I am very happy with our last two leaders as they bring a new (younger ) view. This years president has not been afraid to speak up. Please continue and expand on that.

  69. DRM

    March 21, 2011 at 7:21 am

    "What do you think the chances are we add 22 womens scholarships?"

    Slim, coach. Slim.

  70. DRM

    March 21, 2011 at 7:47 am

    "UCF is Daunte Culpepper’s alma mater, and it’s also one of the nation’s largest universities."

    UCF alum Michelle Akers > UCF alum Daunte Culpepper. In my opinion, of course.

  71. carbine

    March 21, 2011 at 10:08 am

    "I do believe it is Cobb’s fault if they deal does not get done with CUSA." — midwest

    But it's a DONE DEAL, isn't it? Isn't it?

    Isn't it????????


    March 22, 2011 at 8:37 pm

    here is the deal that i have heard….I hear that ECU, APP STATE GEORGIA SOUTHERN and Some of the SUNBELT TEAMS and a few of the MAC are going to form a new FBS conference. We are not going to ask the NCAA if we can. We are going to give the NCAA the middle finger!!!! IT is going to be the following teams. ASU, ECU, Georgia Southern, Memphis, JMU, William and Mary, ODU, Richmond and Delaware. WE NEED TO JOIN CAA if they would have us. I would love to play the schedule and the playoffs or FBS. I JUST WANT OUT OF SOCON.

    I could be happy in Sunbelt if they broke it into two divisions of 6 and that left us 5 open dates each year to play Duke, Wake, ECU, Marshall, and Michigan. if we have to play all 9 sunbelt teams i wouldn't be happy.


    March 22, 2011 at 8:41 pm


    "The Sun Belt Conference champion will earn an automatic berth in a BCS bowl game if that team is ranked in the top 12 of the final BCS standings or if that team is ranked in the top 16 of the final BCS standings and its ranking is higher than that of a champion of a conference that has an annual automatic berth in one of the of BCS bowls."

    Someone posted if we move to FBS it would be years before we could play in a major bowl. This proves that we need to move up and build a great team and we will get a shot.


    March 22, 2011 at 8:46 pm

    The year we beat Michigan, if we would have followed that with an undefeated season in Sunbelt we would have been ranked in the top 12.

  75. cbarrier90

    March 23, 2011 at 5:26 am

    Can I have some of what you are smoking?

    When are you gonna get it through your head that the Sun Belt is a FCS conference with extra scholarships and directional schools? At least when Hawaii went undefeated only to get slaughtered by Georgia in the Sugar Bowl they had to go through Boise State to make it happen.

    However, I DO like how YOU used capital LETTERS for more EMPHASIS in the FIRST post.

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