Soon – “At its quarterly meeting this Friday in Washington, D.C., the ASU Board of Trustees will consider a resolution authorizing the chancellor and university administrators to negotiate for potential membership in a FBS conference. The committee estimated ASU would have to increase its annual budget by about $6M for teams to be viable in an FBS conference.” Why D.C.? Think solar – “For two years, a group of ASU students have planned, designed and constructed the Solar Homestead.”
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Can we PLEASE get this over with?!?! This thing has been going on longer than the reruns of Gunsmoke and Bonanza combined. We may soon find out that "having" is not necessarily better than "wanting". But I'll NEVER be the one to tell anyone else that "I told you so". No, no, never, not me!!!
Though I love App State football and it's current FCS status….I WILL be the first to say "I told you so" when we are successful at the next level!!! That's if I can beat others to the punch.
Change is, quite simply, scary but it happens regardless of how badly we may want things to stay the same. Charting a successful course through change is a challenge requiring a good leader with vision. Thankfully we have just the guy in Ken Peacock.
We already know the administration wants to move. Unless there are FBS conference representatives meeting ASU representatives in D.C. I see no point in this thread. Just another place to divide ASU fans on a topic we have no control over.
The other thing is more important.
What does "when we are successful at the next level" mean exactly?
Hey guys I think there's an episode of Saved By The Bell on. Maybe we can just watch TVLand and have warm fuzzy feelings and talk about "the good old days". Pass the metamucil!
It means "When my buddies in Tolido Ohio see us play on TV" on a Tuesday night where they make all 5000 fans sit on one side of the stadium so it looks better on TV.
on a related topic!
http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/forums/vie…
I'd love to see a new conference, but have to believe the start up cost and no TV contract would just be to big a hurdle!
clayton
the solar homestead is such a cool thing for appalachian because we dont have engineering or architecture majors at asu and our students STILL built the homestead nearly flawlessly. great exposure for appalachian
I agree. Bigger deal than football.
Clayton, if you mean the solar homestead, I agree! If we could win that competition, that brings us closer to Universities with established Engineering programs. I think it keeps App near the front of sustainable development programs as well.
"Success" means different things to differnt people. Success, for me would mean the program continues to grow, ASU gaining greater recognition on a national level. Wild success would be a Boise State type path. The later may not be reasonable, and I am APPsolutely sure many people on this board will say that type of success is impossible. But hey, I've talked to a number of people who don't think Man has landed on the moon either. They say, "it's just not possible." Many people said and many more felt, we could never beat Michigan; "it's just not possible." Lot's of people think things will never be better for them than they are right now. They just can't see how it could be possible….. You just have to LOVE a "CAN'T DO" attitude. After all, isn't that how all successes occur? Yes that's got to be the reason.
Like I said in my original post, I love where we are right now. The reality is no mater how much I like things as they are they're going to change….even if we stay in the SOCON and FCS. Now, we can have an "it's just not going to work, every thing is going to hell in hand basket" attitude or we can trust our leadership and support the decisions that are bing made. I simply choose the later.
I don't think we should be competing for the solar homestead at that level!
BTW, I agree, the Solar project is the bigger part of the story.
So-lar, So-lar, So-lar,
This is for MIDATLANTIC
I can only surmise that your post is in reference to all of us who only live in the past especially way back in 1978. I want to remind you and so many others that WE have been around a long time, paid the bills, and supported the program when it was not popular to do so. You probably don't remember when the records read like 2-9,4-7,3-8, you could leave your motel thirty minutes before kickoff, park anywhere in the stadium, and have any seat in the house. Basketball reached such a state at one point that there were more people sitting on the bench than sitting in the stands. I take issue with your attitude and the idea that WE only live in the past. We were around when we "Moved Up" from independent to the Southern Conference. So, Yes WE have been there. We came regardless of the records and we sat through some pretty ugly situations, and we continued to pay our money, and support APP no matter what. I wonder if some of you can say the same. I want to see how many of you are still here when the records go into the toilet and the stadium is half empty. I guess that I am so damn old that I may not even live to see that. We will move up regardless simply because the train has left the station and there are enough people on board who want it regardless of the possible disadvantages
and the damage it may do to the university as a whole. If we are successful, I will be the first to praise the efforts and give credit where credit is due. BUT, I am going to be here no matter what!!! Can I say the same for many of you. One last comment, I am damn tired of many who criticize many of us for our opionions and our concerns for WE have been there and know the frustrations and hurt that comees with all that occured over the years. Will we be successful or fall flat on our face–Only time will tell. I can promise you that this old fart plans to be around when verdict comes in. Get the picture!
AppFan698084
Now THAT I can respect. Well said sir!
No engineering programs but we do have construction management and also a design concentration for prepping for architecture grad school. We can easily compete with the other undergrads. I would be nice to have a engineering school one day…
AppFan698084. Testify! I was a student at App when Mike Working was there and I know what you're talking about. Remember the "ASU football isn't Working" bumber stickers? Totally respect your comments and truly appreciate your love of App State.
we easily compete with the others because of the caliber of student associated with this project, the project was not sponsored by school money is my understanding
Mikeyosef
I also remember that Dr. John Thomas fired Mike Working before dinner on the Saturday after we lost to WCU!!!!! Some people just don't realize how bad it was and how far we have come.
Thanks for reminding all of us of that dark period over in Kidd Brewer. Simply put, it wasn't funny at all!!
When I was a kid Western "Owned App"
That's how I remember it anyway.
So did Furman, Ga Southern……..
All I'm doing is reading the commentatary; asking an occasional question based on that; and looking for some elaboration, without highjacking the thread. With that being said, is it possible, even remotely possible, that we may look back in 5-10-15 years or more and honestly say that the last 6-7 years were "the good old days" for Appalachian football? Nothing personal, just asking………….
Maxhr203,
Before 1918 the Boston Red Sox were the most successful baseball team in history. They had 5 World Series titles.
Times change, huh?
Talk about Mood Swings. I am so glad that I did not get accepted at NC State or Guilford. However, had I got accepted there I would not know any difference. I am glad that I got accepted at App, and do know the difference. I am glad that I am part of the Appalachian Family. I just want Appalachian to have a shot at a National Title in all sports like it does now. I am afraid if we move up in Football we will no longer have that opportunity. Most of all I just want the opportunity to see App play football as much as possible which is what I have now.
AppFan698084:
I happen to totally agree with you. Well said! We all put Appalachian first, but having worked in the Athletic Dept before, I have seen people "jump off the boat" when the records are below 500. Unfortunately college sports, as professional, has become,"what have you done for me(us) lately" Fans won't remember the 3 National Championships that brought us this present notoriety.
In this difficult economic time how does Cobb expect to raise the money for 20 more full scholarships in football alone, not to mention increases in other sports, when state employees are getting laid off!
appwyo..
wont they have the same chance at a national title that bball and baseball do now?
Yes in Basketball and Baseball, but not in Football.
I remember the 2-9 season…..I was in Divinity School in Wake Forest, NC (not the college), and making the weekend trek back to, then Conrad Stadium, for the weekly beatings. I also remember the Mike Working years and the WCU game. I had brought three potential students to that game, embarrassed at the crowd and the open controversy over the Head Coach. Did I want to give up on my Apps? Never. I believed better days were coming, plus my name was on an Appalchian State University Diploma. That fact in and of itself demanded my life long loyality. A loyality that has only gotten stronger over the years. Better days have come, and are STILL coming. My "little" school has bloomed like a rose in the Springtime and those petals have touched places never before imagined. The Solar Team in DC, the move to FBS, the new Nursing School. With our current leadership, this positive motion will continue, and I shall be along for the ride as long as life and health allow me to. I am MORE THAN proud to be a Mountaineer!!
Notice how Carbine disappears when he wind starts blowing us towards FBS. He's just sitting back hoping that there will be a few people who want to hold App State back from greatness.
no the football team will have the same as bball and baseball because there are no subdivisions in bball or baseball.
Thunder I hope you don't that we have a shot at a National title by going FBS. We could go 11-0 and not have a shot. So, no. A move removes any actual ability to play for a national championship.
That is not a "well let's sand bag and stay where we can compete for one." It is a statement of fact. If you go to the Sun Belt, CUSA, or any non BSC conference but the Big East (where you'll still never play for one) then you cannot play for a national championship regardless of the record in the subdivsion in which you play.
currently, the football team has a Better chance at a nat'l title than bball or baseball. not the Same chance
FBS does not make us great.
Do you OLD farts remember the stadium before the current one was built. Well I do.
I have supported App State for all these years. We never should have played anything except the highest level of football.
Now get with the program and support our move back up. To do otherwise is foolish. We need to make more money with football and we sure as heck are not going to do that while in FCS, that is a waste of time.
Get into FBS, win what we can and establish a rep there. Spinning our wheels scheduling give me games to just have extra home games without paying a lot with Savannah State and NC Central and whoever else.
I think some of you jerk offs just want to gripe about anything. Call the IRS if you want to gripe.
gwalt, you missed my point. i wasnt claiming moving to fbs puts us in a position to compete for a national title. just disputing the statement that appalachian sports all have the same shot at a national title. they do not.
Six million dollars. I'd like to see the plan for raising that figure. I know tickets will cost more, student fees will go up, and we will make more money, but how much more?
AppFan698084, perhaps this is an appropriate week to remember some of the dark days from our era. Like the 72-14 pounding we took in Chattanooga in '78. In my mind, we still haven't adequately payed them back for that one.
$60 from every living app alumni….a year. That's 5 bones a month. Definitely possible. Would take a great marketing campaign but possible. Shoot, I just spent more than that on my crappy goasutv subscription.
Well with all the successful communication majors out there I am sure one of them will make provide as an adequate booster to reach that 6 Million $ goal.
Boo Hoo
If you want more national championships and that's all you are interested in then let's move down to Division 2, that is what 98% of the people out there think we are anyway. In fact it seems the Division 2 national champions get more credibility than the FCS champions.
I do not believe that anyone that went to Appalachian would want us not to go to the FBS. How can you give a dang about your school and say crap like you do not want them to be the best they can be to slap yourself on the back about something that no one else even knows anything about. How could you sell out like that just to get your rocks off. Selfish. I bet 90% of those posters are from UNCC or Georgia State.
OLDER than You:
You are so right. I cannot tell you how many people over the years (especially the recent years) have said to me or asked me whether App was Division II.
And many of these people I would reasonably call sports fans.
In fact, when we beat Michigan, I was at a party the very next day where a Michigan graduate argued with me for 30 minutes that we were division II. And then, when I got him off that issue, he turned around and well, your basketball program is Division II, right? That sent me into orbit.
Lets drop down! No more spending money on all those scholarships! Win more championships! Sounds like fun! /turns head and barfs
ASU beat MOC's
APPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP!
It's about choosing to compete at the highest level we can reasonably expect to be competitive at, given our resources. I would love to see ASU competing for an FBS national title every year, but that's not a realistic goal. An FCS title is.
If one thing has become crystal clear in these arguements, it's that some people are very, very insecure about having gone to ASU, and I think that is downright shamefull. I'm referring to the people who complain that other folks think we are Division II, or don't know what FCS is, etc. Why would a real ASU fan care what the rest of the sporting world thought? Since when is the ignorance of other people (people who have nothing to do with us, I might add)a legitimate factor in us deciding what to do with our own program?
STAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATE!!!
carbine, you miss the point. It's not about other people knowing what division we are. It's about knowing that if put on that level we can compete and whip their ass. The big 4 schools duck us. They know who we are. That's the point, they do know. We want some of the action. How do they come up with $6 mil? How did they build up the campus since I was there to the point that I hardly recognize it? Like it or not there is a price for success. I don't want bowls but I do want a shot at our in state "half-brothers".
ASU-LAW. Dude serously. Nobody makes fun of your CJ degree. Did you have the hots for some fine KD babydoll over in a class in Walker and she just rebuffed you? What gives? Did you really even go to APP? I don't care what dept you came out of, it's not cool to rail on another school in the university. I guess the polysci's had better lay low, huh?
Carbine,
I think the perception issue extends beyond athletics and fans. Fair or not, more people become familiar with universities through athletics than through academics. Those perceptions can affect which "doors" are opened to alumni in the professional world. When the university is commonly seen as "first tier", in anything, it is of benefit to all alumni and students.
Brown, Columbia, Cornell, Dartmouth, Harvard, Penn, Princeton and Yale (yep, the Ivies), compete at the our (FCS) level and think so little of winning a national football championship that they won't even play in the tournament. They don't give half a rat's ass about the whole thing but as outstanding universities, their lack of football ambition has not seemed to hurt them in the slightest.
Jack… please don't tell me you're trying to compare these schools to our situation.
news…a new conference is apparently in the works which could involve app and pull some schools from CUSA, MAC, Big East, and CAA.
Zen, Jack'74, those are good points. I can understand why some folks would think that having gone to a school with a higher national sports profile would be beneficial in the professional world. But as Jack points out, there are other ways for a school to achieve that status. As much as we all love ASU football, I think we have to remember that it's still a university with a football team, and not the other way around.
Midatlantic, your post proves the point I was trying to make, though I doubt you'll be able to figure out how.
Interesting… this article is getting some Big East buzz on twitter
To Midwest-
Your post about Carbine about the greatness of Appalachian seens very narrow. I have never considered it anything but great! I very seldom post on here, but some of the comments point to one important fact. Some people want to question someone's loyalty and love for ASU if you don't happen to agree with the effort to go FBS.
Now, we are all trying to figure out who is the oldest on here. I was around long before 1978, so I have a perspective that many do not have.An error in thinking at this point is that age determines a person's position on the issue of FCS vs. FBS. That is a gross error in thinking. Like I said earlier, I am going to be around no matter what! It really makes no difference to me and to be honest, I have told Charlie Cobb, Chancellor Peacock and even Dr. Alan Hauser personally and upfront without going on a blog. I have told all three to just, Make the right decision. I am opposed to moving up at this point and time based on my own experience over the last 45 years. It is a scary prospect, and I don't want to go through all that again.
I want to make another point that everyone I have personally talk to and that includes many of all ages are opposed to moving to FBS. You can take that to the bank.
It seems to me that the powers to be are going to do whatever they want regardless of what many of us think and believe. However,it is coming and if you have kept up with all the movement from one conference to another just this week, it may be beyond our control when all is said and done.
I truly believe over time that moving to another level will happen simply because I saw it happen before but check the record book. It was costly and painful. We joined the Southern Conference in 1972, and we did not win a football championship until 1986. There were a lot of bumps along the way. Many people came and left, and the question is, will people stay with the program if it takes that long again? Another concern is what will happen to all of the other sports in the process. AND, where is that six million dollars coming from? A final thought is don't base my love and loyalty to ASU on just this position. There is more to this great place than just Kidd Brewer Stadium. That piece of ground is loved and revered but there is far more to all of this than just that. FOOD FOR THOUGHT!
Speaking of sororities(KD as referenced above i presume represents Kappa Delta) how are those Phi Mu girls… still chunky? Last time i remember doing a mixer with them all of the hors d'oeuvres were gone before I even got to the shindig (and I was early!).
Look people you take this whole blogging business way to seriously. Lock it up. Go put some thought into something in which you can actually have an impact upon.
Love,
ASU-LAW
Oh and yes political science is another degree you can't do anything with but go to graduate school.
Hey Carbine finally decided to show up and bring his "WE CANT MAKE IT" attitude. We all have something in common and that is we all LOVE ASU and want to see our school succeed to heights we never had even imagined. Now I know that are lots of concerns and alot of people who want to know what the plan is and how we are going to make up for the extra money needed, but I feel that even if you laid it all out to Carbine he would still see be pessimistic and not believe. I agree there needs to be a plan, but even more important there needs to be support first. With support we can achieve things we never thought was possible. I for one am tired of playing these cupcake games such as NCA&T, I just don't think its good for our program. Even if we have a few losing seasons the games would still be more interesting.
Sorry I typed fast, I had a few typos, please forgive me.
Oh, yes….I can hardly wait for our ticket prices to be jacked to the max, to probably have to fly to all our away games, and for the chance to play in the OxyClean Bowl.
I think people can handle losing for awhile as long as we're playing more formidable competitors. None of us are naive enough to think that we will win the new conference overnight. The reality is that we are all mostly BORED with the SoCon and FCS. We need new mountains to climb and that's the bottom line.
Show me the best looking woman in the world and I'll show you a guy who's tired of f-ing her. Time for some strange.
Probably the best analogy ever used on Appfan.com
"Show me the best looking woman in the world and I’ll show you a guy who’s tired of f-ing her. Time for some strange."
MIDATLANTIC
September 22, 2011 at 11:24 am
carbine, you miss the point. It’s not about other people knowing what division we are. It’s about knowing that if put on that level we can compete and whip their ass. The big 4 schools duck us.
Like App. did at UF last year and VT this year? What about LSU?
I personally don't care, but C'Mon MAN!
It wasn't all bad back in the "olden" days…..I really enjoyed watching App basketball when Bobby Cremins was our coach……
I think he is reffering to UNC, Duke, NC State & Wake
Midwest is right. I think another issue that hinders App is when a lot people graduate, they still root for App, but they follow different teams other FBS teams wherever they end up living. Their attachment to App fb fades. I am a huge sports fan, and if App was FBS level, I would follow them even more closely and donate more. As of now, FBS and FCS are almost treated as separate sports. Time to grow with the times or fade away. The pro-FCS people overlook that App could quickly become irrelavant in the FCS too. We only became good about 6 yrs ago
I am so old that I can only rub it and call it pretty names. Yes I remember Working and he was a work of art. Heck, I remember coaches before him.
Let's get the men's basketball program out of the horrific Southern Conference.
Bobby brought some interest to App B-ball after Maravich's very bad stint as coach. Still, how many invites to the NCAA tourny did App get under Cremins? Was at ASU from 72 through 79 (liked it so much that I took my time!). We had some success in competing with ECU, Wake Forest, and actually beat USC (South Carolina, not Southern Cal) one year. Just like our performance as div 1-AA, those victories were exceptions, not the rule. The only reason to move up is if it makes financial sense. Making the move to salve bruised egos is dumb.
.Appfan698084
You said it like it is.
Here is a question for some of you guys. I sat next to a long time supporter at the VT game and we were talking about the move and here is what he said. "If we make the move I am out but only due to money". He explained that at his age (about the same as mine) he had so much money for football and so much for living. So if he has to stop going to games are you going to say he is not a real fan? A guy who has been around a long time but will be priced out. He will not be the only one. The question is who is leaving who? If the program leaves them are they no longer fans because they wish we had not moved. Nowadays we have a great tendency to not appreciate the old farts who built this for you. To many of you the old guys are the enemy but what you don't want to think about is you would not have crap if it were not for the old farts. A fan is not defined by whether they agree with you no matter who you think you are.
Food for thought….
One factor many of you might not have thought about which separates ASU from other schools similarly sized yet a national contender in sports is the existence of graduate programs at the subject universities. Think about it… most sports programs are supported in large part by boosters. The chances of financial success (to the level of being a booster)of an alumni with a doctorate/masters are significantly higher than that of an alumni with a bachelors. ASU's graduate programs are relatively new and very limited. Most of which are in areas with limited profitability (e.g. Marriage and Family Therapy). Clearly this proposition is a generalization (as i said "most of which") and there are some very financially lucrative opportunities for some ASU alumni with doctorates/masters degrees and even bachelors but in wide application i certainly believe this has an impact on the bottom line.
You could also say that many ASU alumns who bleed black and gold go off to other institutions to receive their masters/doctorates and will come back to support their school as a booster. This is evidenced by the significant number of alumni who have already pledged future donations (wish i had a link to that article to show you….) but none the less an opportunity cost is apparent through our institutions lack of the aforementioned asters/doctorate programs.
Hopefully with the development of our nursing program a growth opportunity will present itself to create a medical school (or maybe even a law school)
As a fan of App State who is a bigger fan of WVU, and who goes to games, I say STAY WHERE YOU ARE!!! No use be someone else's rag doll for $$$$$….. You can go 11-0 in the Sun Belt and not even have a hope for a NC, but you have a chance every year now…… if you want more $, then come aboard, the Big East might have some spots…. but I say, stay where you ARE!!!! WVU might want to join you here after the next shake up!
bcoach I definitely agree with you, the "old guys" have given us everything we have today and for that I thank them. ASU has gone through many many years of building itself up from nothing, and many of those years were tough for the fans. This move is just another part of the progression. Yes ticket prices are going to increase and that will deter some people from buying tickets but hopefully we will be on TV more as well. There are pros and cons to everything. I remember all of the wonderful games we had with Wake Forest in the 90's. We would have three times more people in their stands than they would. It was at that point I knew that we would move up and that we could compete with these guys, its just a natural progression. If you disagree with progression and try and hinder it, chances are you will just be left behind. We have accomplished what we need to at the FCS level, now its time for our next chapter in evolution.
I'm in the same boat as Brett. Im glad we have some forward thinkers on here rather than the likes of carbine. Anything worth doing envolves risk. Anybody who has ever achieved something has also risked sonething
Left behind, or left alone. It's just how you look at it.
We can't afford to stay FCS.
Do none of the anti-FBS folks not understand that?
Evolution often leads to extinction.
Brettt
September 22, 2011 at 1:12 pm
"if App was FBS level, I would follow them even more closely and donate more."
So your love for App. State is conditional?? Is that love?
"We only became good about 6 yrs ago"
Really? 8,9,10 win-years are not good?
"Evolution often leads to extinction… of those who fail to evolve"
"Evolution leads to extinction"? Really, only if you cannot adapt, which is the point I was making.
If the Big East does not want ECU how big a mountain can they be to climb?
Bcoach, a few questions.
Who got left behind as your generation helped build the program to it's current level?
Was that effort made to reach a certain point and then quit?
In 20-30 years will the young folks hold us in contempt because "they don't have crap" due to our actions (or inaction) now?
Please don't take this as an attack. It isn't. I just wonder how you see your past actions to further the program so differently than the actions being taken now for the same purpose.
I understand you don't agree with the move, but I'm sure folks were opposed to many of the things y'all did years ago.
Consider a conference that involves part (not all) of the following teams. Interesting how these could line up.
Ohio-Marshall
App-ECU
JMU-ODU
Memphis-MTSU
UAB-Troy
Nova/UMass-Delaware
SMU-Houston
Tulane-Southern Miss
Ga State-Ga Southern
FIU-FAU
Interesting article by Dan Weitzel, screaming about how playoffs could remedy the current trend with the superconference moves. I have been screaming for a FBS playoff system for years.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news;_ylt=A…
Too bad Obama is an ineffective president and the economy is the way it is… I promise you if we were not dealing with issues of major economic concern Obama would have lobbied for a college playoff system…
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=37048…
http://xfinity.comcast.net/video/obamas-hand-bloc…
Demonstrates his arrogance and naivete. Only one among world leaders to wave. Clearly, he thinks of himself as president of the world. President Douche Bag.
Jack'74
The Ivy League Schools are such an exception that I don't think they make for a good example. Their academic reputations were secured long ago. To achieve a comparable status, you need to attract the same caliber student they do. How do you begin to do that when so few people (nationally) even know that App exists? Athletics can provide a great introduction to the university.
Carbine,
I think Chancellor Peacock sees the football program as a way to increase the visibility of the university. An invitation, if you will, for more people to discover how great the school is.
I don't think this move is about moving for the sake of football. I think it's about expanding the visibility of the university as a whole. I simply have a hard time accepting that Chancellor Peacock would recommend anything that he didn't think was in the best interest of the school.
Zen
I think you misunderstand what I was saying. There are those here who say if you don't want to move you are not a real fan. I think that is rather stupid but my reference was to the guy who does not want to move because he can no longer afford to come to the games when we do. He is a real fan. He is not leaving the program the program is leaving him. It is what it is but he is still a fan. He didn't quit he got priced out. He should have our respect.
Certain point and quit? Well I don't know. It depends on what you consider quitting. I don't think continuing to play for NCs is quitting. Therein lays the rub some consider not moving quitting and others don't. There is not a right and wrong there is a difference in preference.
Will people in 20-30 years hold us in contempt for any reason? I don't know. Do you hold us in contempt now? Again my comment was directed to those who have expressed the fact that the old farts don't want to move because they are comfortable where they are and have no vision. Well a vision takes money to pay for and we have paid our dues. We should just get a little respect for that. Not praise or rewards just a little respect. We should get a little respect for our opinions.
I don't take your comments as an attack. I could be wrong but I don't ever remember you going on the attack as many do. They are just questions and I hope I have answered them. If not I'll try again.
The only thing worse than a politician getting involved in collage sports is someone who wants him to get involved in college sports. They should have many more important things to do.
The photo-shopped horses are pretty lame. http://www.thesolarhomestead.com/
This is all monkey mess….lets move up and play the big boys already!!!
STAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATE.
AAAAAAPPPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!
I don't mean to be critical, but this looks like something my kid made at lego land when he was 3 years old.
On the other hand, when I was in school, we built a beer bong with 8 tubes coming out of it. Now, that's something to be proud of!
http://www.thesolarhomestead.com/homestead The house itself is pretty neat. But, that homepage picture has got to be fixed.
Hey, Van! Drummer Girl here! "AAAAAAPPPPPP!!!!!"
STAAAAAAAAAAATE
hey van have you seen what these guys think of our band and school of music. they like wcu better. i cant see that, and i remember braizer taking care of wcu band on thier own field from the stands. ha that was great! good to see your name. are you still in the business working for duncan? by the way 6 million is not a drop in the bucket guys maybe the great app law will donate the whole thing as he has assured us of his greatness
Middie Honey. For you to call Obama arrogant is like the commode calling the sink dirty.
Are you talking about me or my twinkie, MIDWEST? He gets his talking points from me.
Just hypothetically. Since us old farts will soon be out of the App football picture, if the Apps win, oh let's say 30-40-or even 50 games in the first 10 years of "big boy ball" (hypothetically, of course) and since the $$$$$$$$$$ from us old farts will be as dead as we are by then, are you Young Turks going to pay the 10-or- whatever-the-bill-is-by-then million each year? Just asking a question, hypothetically, of course.
yes
There are 4 stages of learning:
1)Unconsciously incompetent- meaning you are so f-ing stupid you don't even know how dumb you are
2)Consciously incompetent- you know how stupid you are, but you don't quite know what to do about it
3)Consciously competent- not quite as stupid but you really have to concentrate to not be an idiot
4)Unconsciously competent- you don't have to think about it. you're just that damn good.
Clearly, Obama is at stage one. Worst ever, by far.
App Orange–If I'm correct that you are responding to my observations (and I could be wrong) but if I'm right–and since I will probably be watching App football from a cloud between KBS and Howard's Knob in the future, just how much of that 10-12-15 million $$$$$$$$$$$$ annual athletic budget do YOU plan to cover? Since you answered "yes" to my question, my very old Appalachian inquiring mind would like to know what it's worth to you each year to get beat by Marshall or Louisville than beat Elon or Western? Just wondering……………
As much as I can . . . hopefully the other "Young Turks" will jump in and give more and more to the Yosef Club as they build their wealth as well. This concept is never talked on here but has to be considered when we look at how the University is going to fund the move. Although App has a proud history on the field, no one can argue with the success over the last decade and what that has done to the fan base and involvement of the students turned Alumni. There is your money, though it will take a little time. As ASU grows and graduates more and more students, those Alum will BUILD wealth and be able to give at higher and higher levels. When I graduated 15 years ago, I could never give what I am giving now . . . and 15 years from now I will be giving at an even higher level.
As for the Marshall/L-ville question, well, I like to think my giving will help fund wins over these teams, not losses.
Zen, I'm sure Chancellor Peacock will make a conscientious decision based on what he sees as the best course for the university as a whole. Since I don't have access to the same level of information as he, I don't know what that decision will be.
We have to look at the big picture…Big East conference, along with any other AQ is not going to happen…not soon at least. The board has to sit down and not look at next year, but they have to sit and figure out where they want to be in five years, ten years…because it'll probably take ten years before we are relevant to NCAA football on a national scale.
People like to look at WKU and Marshall as failed moves to the FBS, however look at other schools out there like say, Louisville and Cincinnati…both started out in the Missouri Valley, an FCS conference, then the Metro, and then C-USA…and then both eventually made it up to the Big East..and both at one time or another over the last few seasons have been nationally ranked and attended bowl games…both spent 10 years in C-USA before moving onward, and before that they were in the Metro for 20 years. It took them a while to establish themselves and in the end it paid off (until Cincy's coach sold out to ND and left his Bearcats to be slaughtered by Florida, but that's another story)
Big picture…in ten years do we still want to be beating up on Gardner Webb, Coastal Carolina, and Lenoir Rhyne? While other FCS powerhouses have moved onward and upward? Or would you rather have Kidd Brewer Stadium packed to capacity with us versus them each and every Sunday?
Off the topic, another poster had made a good point about enrollment. I remember there was a huge wave of applications to App following the Michigan win, as well as the NC's. The program's exposure does translate into more applicants, a bigger student body, etc. The more exposure we get, the more it benefits the school as a whole. Playing on MY40 against Mars Hill isn't going to be much of a benefit I don't believe.
"Young turks" already pay for the program.
was that a reference to student fees?
Lil bit
I always find it interesting that people talk about what a failure Marshall and WKU have been, yet they have no interest in moving back down to JV. Someone please tell me why no schools are looking to move down if it is such a great place to be? None of you anti-FBS people can answer this question because you know you're wrong, you just can't admit it.
We've been through this.
The answer is hubris.
NC State got the lights turned out last night. They have won two games this year against FCS opponents and lost two games to BCS opponents.
My question, could we compete with them this year or did one game (VT) make us obsolete?
Maybe NC State should join the SoCon, where they can compete?
There is never an upside to taking anything midwest says seriously, but since some folk on this board may not have figured that out yet, let me settle the issue he keeps trying to bring up regarding teams moving down to FCS.
No one can consider moving down from FBS to FCS because it would mean giving up scholarships for some students, and breaking faith with others that were recruited to play at the FBS level. Also, schools take on financial committments by joining FBS conferences, and usually have to pay to get out of them. A school can hardly ask its alumni to fund such a move, and the scaling down of revenue that comes with moving to FCS (lower ticket prices, loss of TV deals) makes paying the conference exit fee problematic. Also, I'm sure that every FBS school has at least a few influential alumni who would throttle the chancelor in the parking lot if they thought he was serious about recommending a move down.
Even if moving down is the rational thing for a school to do, we all know (from reading this board, if from nothing else) that when it comes to sports and especially football people and institutions don't always do the rational thing. The fact is there are a number of faux-FBS schools that really OUGHT to consider a move down, but they aren't going to unless and until hell freezes over. There are just too many practical obstacles to overcome.
Carbine fails to acknowledge that studies demonstrate that we would lose less money in FBS than we do now. Not perfect by any means, but it's better than living in mom's basement.
Now, I know it's warm and cozy down there and it's nice to have those home cooked meals, but you're not getting any 35 year old chicks to come back to the basement. Time to grow up and get a pad of our own. Buy a case of B. Quick Groove, rent a nice pad in a boutique apartment building, and then call me. I'll teach you how to work some ass. haha. It's Friday baby!!!
What studies?
Oh. But, not one with actual data.
the studies. You know the ones that are being discussed today in DC.
I won. Get over it.
Yes. You won.
I'm 53, retired Army, a published author, and live in a very nice house which I own, thank you very much. My mom has been dead for some time now, and never owned a basement when she was alive.
The only thing you seem to be capable of teaching anyone is how to be an ass, not how to 'work' one.
The last "clayton" post wasn't clayton.
carbine
sometimes its tough to defend midwest, but in this case, he wasnt talking about YOU specifically living in your "mother's basement" it was a collective you as in, time for App to moveup out of the basement. or at least thats how i read it. either way, ridiculous comment.