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‘He wasn’t taunting anybody’

Great game ... till the end Benched – “Jeremy Kimbrough will have to sit out Saturday’s game at Wofford. Dale Jones, ASU’s defensive coordinator, said Kimbrough was penalized after removing his helmet after both plays. “He wasn’t taunting anybody, neither one of them was for taunting another player in any kind of way, but he won’t get to play. It’s unfortunate, but we’ll deal with it.” Thankfully, ASN radio crew never asked Kimbrough what happened.


  1. ASU in the QC

    September 28, 2011 at 5:33 am

    This is a big blow. Especially with playing a TO team.

    But on the other hand, we were worried last week with an all socon CB sitting out and an unexperienced backup playing against a pass happy offense.

    Another big opportunity for our talented backups to step up and play big.

  2. MikeM

    September 28, 2011 at 5:44 am

    Sounds like Dale Jones doesn't understand the rule.

  3. APPsenior

    September 28, 2011 at 5:45 am

    This is stupid, make him run extra miles, wind sprints, laps, whatever. But don't make him miss a game (especially this one) over celebration penalties. There are other punishments that get the point across without hurting the team at gametime. Dumb call by coaches desparate to show they have a firm hand.

  4. Nathan

    September 28, 2011 at 5:52 am

    "This is stupid, make him run extra miles, wind sprints, laps, whatever. But don’t make him miss a game (especially this one) over celebration penalties"

    This punishment isn't a coaches decision. It is a SoCon rule. If you get ejected from a game, you have to sit out the next scheduled game.

  5. Deano

    September 28, 2011 at 5:57 am


    You say this is a "dumb call by coaches to show they have a firm hand" First off this is out of the coaches hand, as the article states this is a conference rule, and how many posts have I read on here screaming that the coaches need to get control of the players and their stupid penalties? I for one think that no matter how good of a player you are, if you can't control yourself on the field and you keep making stupid mistakes then the coaches need to sit your butt down for one game. This gets the message across to everyone that you have to play smart and not continually make the same silly penalties that evetually end up losing the game for your team.

    I don't like the arrogance, personal fouls and celebration penalties I have seen in the last few years. Its one thing to get a personal foul when you are hussling on defense and you happen to hit the quarterback late, I can live with one or two, but taking off your helmet and mouthing off to the ref is just stupid.

  6. The rock

    September 28, 2011 at 6:12 am

    This hurts. With Tanyi and now kimbrough out, and as heavily as we leaned on the defense last week, we are asking a lot from so many freshmen. I hope McGowan gets fired up and utilizes this oppertunity. Maybe the offense will make up for their non performance last week and not need so much help from the D.

    Either way:

    LETS GO APP!!!

  7. Dr. Gonzo

    September 28, 2011 at 6:18 am

    Appsenior moment I guess. Hey, someone else should repeat that it wasn't the coaches decision. Anyway, I agree that this is a bad omen. The TO is one of the hardest defenses to defend. Our squad is going to have to think. Not the best week to start for the first time. This offense and the "conveniently" long grass will make it a toughy.

  8. appfantoo

    September 28, 2011 at 6:31 am

    I'll repost this since it now has its own thread:

    Apparently you guys didn’t actually see what Kimbrough did.

    Every player in America knows you can’t take your helmet off while you are still on the field. After his interception return for a TD he took his helmet off while in the back of the end zone and slowly made his way back toward our sideline.

    He knew the rule and ignored it – but, I can somewhat let that one slide giving him a break for the emotion and excitement packed into that play.

    The second time was just pure arrogance and ignorance. As the clock was winding down Kimbrough walked over directly in front of a referee, looked at him while it appeared he was talking to the ref, and pulled his helmet off no more than 2 feet from the face of the referee. He then put his helmet back on and walked off as the referee was throwing the flag.

    I looked up and saw him as he was putting his helmet back on and turning to walk away. Friends in our group watched the entire situation and described it to me.

    I don’t know what was said and I don’t know if perhaps Kimbrough thought time had expired when he removed his helmet. But from the stands it certainly looked like he was taunting the referee – what else could he have been doing?

    Personally, I think the excessive celebration penalties when there are no other clear infractions such as this are ridiculous and take way from the excitement and fun these kids should enjoy when they score a touchdown.

    But Kimbrough knows better, he should represent our school better, and I’m glad he is sitting out.

  9. tina

    September 28, 2011 at 6:47 am

    That is so unfair he played his a** off way play Kimbrough we gone need that in the playoffs

  10. dixiedawg80

    September 28, 2011 at 6:48 am

    Well said Appfantoo.

  11. Reese

    September 28, 2011 at 6:51 am

    Hey guys it wasn't the coaches' decision. It was a ruling from the Socon to suspend Kimbrough.

    Just to reiterate.

  12. Reese

    September 28, 2011 at 6:53 am

    I'm going to drive to Boone and do some journalistic investigation with all of the coaches and football players to make sure it wasn't the coaches' decision to suspend Kimbrough.

    Once I complete my investigation, I will do some data analysis and post my findings here on Appfan.

    Stay tuned.

  13. boonie

    September 28, 2011 at 7:00 am

    ASU coaching staff is OUT OF TOUCH. All due respect Jerry. When you controlled it all, the team was humble, hard working, mostly successful, but boring and predictable and one and done in the playoffs. During the enlightened years, your team was still humble and hardworking, but the coaching was creative with championships to prove it. Now it has evolved into cocky, lazy, prima donas, begging for leadership from a coaching staff that cannot provide it. Like it or not! Midwest is right 1-800- Satterfield! Bring back the pride!

  14. bcoach

    September 28, 2011 at 7:04 am

    I would like to thank the SOCON for doing what our coaches will not. They may have done us a big favor in the long run.

  15. Keith

    September 28, 2011 at 7:06 am

    This would be a good place for an Appfan poll. Do you agree with the suspension or not?

  16. Reese

    September 28, 2011 at 7:07 am

    The guy deserved the suspension. It hate it for him, but you don't taunt the refs (or anyone). This suspension will help set some precedents for how you carry yourself on the field.

  17. Reese

    September 28, 2011 at 7:08 am

    Yes. A journalistic investigation.


    September 28, 2011 at 7:15 am


  19. ASU-LAW

    September 28, 2011 at 7:21 am

    Why would the coaches sit Kimbrough for a game? so silly.

  20. nomadb

    September 28, 2011 at 7:24 am

    most of this thread i just one big facepalm

  21. ceez

    September 28, 2011 at 7:35 am

    What would be interesting would be to see the coaches response after it occured. I know if Elliot and Dillman were still around he would have had more than an ear full.

    Most coaches in the country would have met him on the field to chew him out after the first penalty. Did our coaches?

  22. AB

    September 28, 2011 at 7:49 am

    double facepalm, when a single facepalm isn't enough.

    I heard our OC was suspended from this game as well.

  23. Reese

    September 28, 2011 at 7:49 am

    I heard Yosef has been suspended as well.

  24. Gwaltineer

    September 28, 2011 at 8:04 am

    11 seconds left…11 seconds left. unreal.

  25. bcoach

    September 28, 2011 at 8:15 am

    Yes it is unreal that he could not control himself for another 11 seconds. This is not a ref issue it is a player/coach issue.

  26. appmaj

    September 28, 2011 at 8:17 am

    Unrelated but, what is going on over at The four top stories are UTC-App Preview, A watch UTC-App Live, a field hockey match from last friday, & a tennis story from Saturday

  27. Roachgone

    September 28, 2011 at 9:04 am

    JUST PLAIN DUMB!! We have a bunch of hardheads and apparently the coaches can'r control them.

  28. asu7

    September 28, 2011 at 9:10 am

    He deserves it. Anyone on our team that does this kind of crap deserves it. IT NEEDS TO STOP! It is time the coaches get control of the team back. Those 3 titles we have are collecting dust. This is not 05, 06, 07. We have done nothing to deserve a celebration in the first place.


    Seems our D plays better when people are suspended anyways. Maybe they will get the damn point now.

  29. asu7

    September 28, 2011 at 9:12 am

    APpmaj they are stuck in the past too. Time to get back to the basics like we did in 05. We can't do that though unless we have leadership.

    1-800-Satterfield … Midwest is right.

  30. appthunder90

    September 28, 2011 at 10:09 am

    this was a southern conference ruling not a coach's decision!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    just incase anyone missed the first 15 or so times it was reiterated

  31. HOGAN

    September 28, 2011 at 10:30 am

    we should really stop telling MIDWEST he's right. that's like answering "no" when someone asks you if you are a god…Ray.

  32. ASU in the QC

    September 28, 2011 at 10:58 am

    so wait…im confused…it was the coaches that suspended him? 😉

  33. appthunder90

    September 28, 2011 at 11:00 am

    asu in the qc,

    no the coaches didnt suspend him. but i have it on VERY HIGH authority from my brother who has a source DIRECTLY related to the team and he told me it was a southern conference decision. so FACT. dont mock me or be a tool

  34. asu7

    September 28, 2011 at 11:02 am

    Stop spreading rumors …

    We all know he suspended himself.

  35. appthunder90

    September 28, 2011 at 11:06 am

    that wasnt actually directed at you qc

  36. appthunder90

    September 28, 2011 at 11:06 am

    *insert sarcasm on first post*

  37. ASU in the QC

    September 28, 2011 at 11:11 am

    ok…i think i got it now. so it was your brother that suspended him, right?

    whew…i feel so much better now that i got that straightened out.

  38. clayton

    September 28, 2011 at 11:22 am

    "He wasn’t taunting anybody."

    That is a true statement.

  39. Monster App Fan

    September 28, 2011 at 11:49 am

    I am worried about the Waffles. I hope these Freshman step up and get it done. We still have a qb problem that needs tending to as well. DP needs to take control of the offense and show some leadership this week. If we can keep the waffles Offense off the field our D will not be as big of an issue.

  40. appstategrad2008

    September 28, 2011 at 12:42 pm

    I'm wondering why in the heck Midwest suspended Kimbrough…

  41. Gwaltineer

    September 28, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    The only reason I'm pissed he took his helmet off with 11 seconds left is that he is suspended because of a stupid NCAA rule. I wouldn't give a $hit if he did it when there was no rule against it. Anyone who would be bent out of shape about it without the flag has a stick up their ass.

    He took his helmet off after the last play in which the defense was on the field. And he is going to miss the biggest road game of the year.

  42. Jamey

    September 28, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    Sounds like the SoCon finally did what our coaching staff won't: They made someone as ASU stop showing off and celebrating all the damn time. If the coaching staff enforced personal conduct on the field more then this type of stuff would not occur so often. Maybe this particular incident does not warrant a suspension, but we will see more of these if there is not more accountability.

  43. BIG DAVE

    September 28, 2011 at 12:55 pm

    I still can't get a straingt answer about Gainey and Tanyi………Out, gone what?

    Kimbrough…….I understand the emotion but the action was just stupid.

  44. appfantoo

    September 28, 2011 at 1:28 pm


    Not sure why you feel the need to find someone or something else to blame instead of the ONLY player on the field that took off his helmet.

    Unfortunately he chose to show his a$$ instead of putting the team first, and by doing so, .."he is going to miss the biggest road game of the year."

    But hey, look how many of us know what he looks like now.


  45. bcoach

    September 28, 2011 at 1:38 pm

    It was a SOCON decision and a coaching issue. You don't have to like rules you just have to follow them. What some also forget is that it was the second time in the game and he did it in the refs face. He did not have to say a word to be taunting. It was a stupid thing to do period. Now I hope he has learned and I hope we win Saturday but if not we can't blame refs for the loss. We are missing 3 starters to things other than injury. If you really think we are not out of control I think you are dreaming. One last time. If you really need to place blame other than the player then don't look at the ref look at the coaches.

  46. clayton

    September 28, 2011 at 1:49 pm

    This subject always brings out the blowhard in people.

  47. yosef82

    September 28, 2011 at 1:57 pm

    JK got what was coming to him. He violated the rules and now he has to pay. When you know something is wrong and you do it anyway, up in these here hills you are referred to as a dumb a$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!!!!!

    Any questions?

  48. Chard

    September 28, 2011 at 3:41 pm

    Damn that Coach SOCON!!!!!!!!!!

  49. Gwaltineer

    September 28, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    I agree you have to follow the rules. The rule is just stupid. I've got no problem thinking it's all stupid. Stupid rule, stupid irrelevent 11 seconds left to tick, stupid ref's trying to make themselves relevent in a game in which they took one side, and…yes…stupid to make the same mistake twice. I don't think this is what the rules committee should have been focused on when making the helmet rule. If so, then they were more stupid than I thought.

    Any questions?

    If so, you're probably a dummass.

  50. Gwaltineer

    September 28, 2011 at 3:44 pm

    82, even if you don't have any questions, you're still a dummass.

  51. crzyfrnk

    September 28, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    the TO is one of the hardest OFFENSES to defend….just sayin'….hope this opens some eyes….


    September 28, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    Common sense should prevail in a situation like this, but far too often refs like to be the center of attention. On the other hand, why did he take his helmet off? Kids are taught at a very young age to leave the helmet on in this situation.

    I absolutely think that a one game suspension is ridiculous, but he was clearly trying to say "look at me." Football is a team sport.

  53. AppMan

    September 28, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    The NCAA didn't need this "stupid rule" until all those clowns started yanking off their helmets and mugging for the TV back in the 90's.

  54. The rock

    September 28, 2011 at 7:33 pm

    In regards to the Gainey/Tanyi situation, surely the "nasty" rumors have got around to the coaches and athletic dept. You would think if it was as simple as mouthing off about coaches, they would have squashed the bad rumor. I have a hard time believing that if it isn't true, and what they are suspended for is really minor, the AD wouldn't have cleared the air. I hope they will announce soon, and stop or confirm all the rumors.

  55. human being

    September 28, 2011 at 7:58 pm

    Is Conference USA and Mountain West merger going to hurt our chances of getting in FBS?

  56. yosef82

    September 29, 2011 at 1:57 am


    Wipe the formula off of you face and go rah, rah, rah, for Western.

    You Child, are not stupid.

    I do not want to insult all stupid people worldwide by calling you stupid. You are a juvenile delinquent. (Sorry kids you are young, you will just have to get over it).

    Now, go to Mommy and get that diaper changed. You are beginning to stink!

  57. yosef82

    September 29, 2011 at 2:02 am

    Oh, by the way, while you are getting your diaper changed ask Mommy how to spell dumbass,(dummass?).



    September 29, 2011 at 3:02 am


    2 problems:

    It is a team sport. This "look at me" is pathetic.

    Also, when the ref. told him to put his helmet back on the 2nd time and he said "f@@k you" to the ref., I guess that is not out of line either.

    Oh well…

  59. GoApps71

    September 29, 2011 at 3:57 am

    Class is not in the DNA; rather, it is usually learned from parents and environment.

    VT had some characters in the 2005/2006 time-frame. The dancing on ESPN got to be a bit much. I believe the 2005 game between the University of Miami (UM) and VT was known as the "Thug Bowl." VT has since been recruiting a more rounded athlete; however, apparently UM has not.

    I think the next time that I do my job, I will thump my chest and take off my ASU hat.

    Let's get the men's basketball program out of the Southern Conference!!!!!

  60. 2guard

    September 29, 2011 at 4:09 am


    Did he really say that to the ref?

  61. Reese

    September 29, 2011 at 4:13 am

    Guys, I think the big this to take away from this is that Kimbrough was suspended by the Socon and not the coaches.

    But seriously though, the rules may be stupid and we don't agree with them, but if you're going to take your helmet off (twice) and then the last time do it RIGHT IN FRONT of the ref and mouth off…

    You deserve it. This is not how I want my team to act on the field.

  62. brew

    September 29, 2011 at 5:49 am

    that is the problem with kids nowadays. It is okay to enforce rules for the other kids, but not mine!

    Rules, stupid or not are rules. It was known what the punishment was and he still broke them.

  63. Appnaysayer

    September 29, 2011 at 6:38 am

    It is a rare day indeed when I agree with BOTH Midwest and appfantoo, but even blind pigs occasionally snort up truffles. I saw the play from up close. If it wasn't taunting, it was a darn fine imitation of it. He knew the rules; he broke the rules. His punishment is no different from any other player's in the same situation. I believe Ben Franklin is apropos here: "Experience keeps a dear school, but fools will learn in no other."

  64. Gwaltineer

    September 29, 2011 at 7:46 am

    I don't think any one is arguing the interpretation of the rule. It's black and white. That's my problem with it. Taunting or excessive celebration is not a black or white penalty. The NCAA has just attached an actoin to the rule as black or white. Helmet off – personal foul.

    I have no problem with the actions of the first helmet removal. He scored a huge TD. He wasn't in the face of anyone. He took it off out of bounds, just not on the side lines. My point is anyone who does have this major issue and willing to throw him to the wolves for the action itself has a stick up their @ss (that Yosef82 is the misspelling of a word to avoid auto spam…kind of like "dummass"). It's a rule that comes with a big penalty. I under stand you stay in the rules and to make the same violation twice is stupid.

    I'm not sure why they can't let the ref's just call it excessive if it is excessive. Don't make a rule that calls an action excessive when it isn't always in that chategory. Based on how they view holding calls, I'm surprised they didn't miss both helmet removals.

    A touch down or game winning play ought to be something you can celebrate.

  65. dixiedawg80

    September 29, 2011 at 7:47 am

    Well said Naysayer, whoa, did I just say that?

  66. Reese

    September 29, 2011 at 8:04 am

    If he followed the rules in the first place, he wouldn't have to worry about not playing Saturday.


    September 29, 2011 at 8:33 am

    Taking your helmet off may not be taunting, but it is a selfish act.

  68. bcoach

    September 29, 2011 at 8:49 am


    Your attitude is why it is becoming so hard to find good coaches for kids sports. He was dead wrong and it is a good rule. there is no reason to act like a jackass when you make a play you were coached to do. It is called doing your job. Come back, high five and get ready for the rest of the game. People in his age group stopped being kids years ago. They are men. So now put on your little boy pout and call me names.

  69. Jamey

    September 29, 2011 at 1:34 pm

    Does everyone like every rule and protocol at your place of employment? No…but you follow them to avoid negative results. That is what is being taught to these young men. You cannot do as you wish and expect for there to not be consequences. It is a lesson that many do not get taught until they reach the workforce. Allowing these players to ignore basic rules regarding equipment and celebrations is as irresponsible as those who support not keeping score in sports. You teach disregard for regulations and do not prepare these STUDENT/Athletes for the real world.

  70. Gwaltineer

    September 29, 2011 at 4:07 pm

    Should their be a 15 yard penatly if you smile while you're coming back to the sideline for a 5 five? How high should the high five be? Shoulder high? What about this jump in the air and bump sides things? 10 years maybe? Seems a little excessive.


  71. clayton

    September 30, 2011 at 3:50 am

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