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Prediction thread – Beware the rush

beware the nibblesEverybody knows Wofford’s reputation. They eat more yards than snowmold. They don’t pass much (31 atts on season, 13 completed) but do so when least expected. (3 passing TDs). App State, meanwhile, allowed season-high rushing yardage for Va Tech (256; +44 over avg) and, er, NC Central (167; +50). Last year the dogs went for just 189 against the Apps, second fewest that season. New year. New App defense. O/U: Rushing yards gained by Wofford Saturday – 250.

53 Comments

  1. nomadb

    September 29, 2011 at 7:33 am

    I'm going with over but we still win due to a lights out performance by our disgruntled offense.

    I haven't heard a thing about Woffords D….all I ever hear/see is about their rushing attack….how is their D this year?

  2. Fleetwood App

    September 29, 2011 at 7:46 am

    Under. D is fired up, freshmen out to prove something. Get 'em Apps.

  3. ASU-LAW

    September 29, 2011 at 7:50 am

    How about those Rays!!! (I live 5 blocks from the stadium…what an incredible game)

  4. appbeanstalk

    September 29, 2011 at 7:53 am

    over. not convinced we are as good as we think we are. i gotta see it first in order to feel otherwise.

  5. Forever-a-14-fan

    September 29, 2011 at 7:56 am

    Without Kimbrough…over, maybe way over! Just hope the offense can keep up. IMO we need to be utilizing Quick's skills and size advantage more. We need to throw it to him until they stop it and if they can't keep feeding it to him!! Rumor has it that he is the 5th or 6th top rated WR coming from any level. Yet we only traget him a few times per game. What's up!!! How ya gonna stop this……..the answer is…..you can't!!

    http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=1207597

  6. bcoach

    September 29, 2011 at 8:02 am

    over

  7. Boonedocks

    September 29, 2011 at 8:06 am

    I don't understand a lot of people on here. Seems everyone thinks we should pass the ball every play. I'm all for throwing it to Quick, and everyone else for that matter.

    However, when we have had the most success, we have been balanced. I want us to be successful running the ball and passing. I love to see our running backs break off a long run. If that isn't working I agree we should pass more, but you can't abandon the run entirely. The read option is the cornerstone of our spread.

    I even think the pass can be used to open up the run, and I would love to see us use the backs out of the backfield more effectively. But the sentiment of pass pass pass every down is retarted.

  8. Flip

    September 29, 2011 at 8:08 am

    Over – a little closer to 700

  9. ASU in the QC

    September 29, 2011 at 8:11 am

    Under….if not…just 10-20 yards over. I really like our chances. We are all so worried about JK not playing. Keep in mind, he wasnt the only man on the defensive side of the ball last week that played so well.

    Our D stepped up big last year for this game and stepped up HUGE last week. They are riding momentum and i have faith that our coaches will have these guys focused and ready to shut down this TO.

  10. nomadb

    September 29, 2011 at 8:14 am

    Flip is the perfect name for a lap dog

  11. MIDWEST

    September 29, 2011 at 8:40 am

    App 31

    Woff 21

    BQuick will have an amazing game.

  12. Deano

    September 29, 2011 at 8:54 am

    Just Over, but we still win. I think our offense comes back alive this game. I don't think it will be very high scoring because Wofford's offense can eat up alot of clock. I say 28-17 in favor of APP.

    Boonedocks,

    You are right, our offense works best when we are more balanced, but we haven't been truly balanced since Kevin Richardson left. What was great about those days is when Kevin was having a hard time getting yardage up the middle, they would give him a screen pass or throw him a short dump pass right out of the backfield. He was a great pass catcher for a running back. This is something our offense is yet to do use our running backs more in short passes if the straight run is not working. This makes one defender dedicate himself to following the running back at all times, taking him out of his gap.

  13. Keith

    September 29, 2011 at 9:01 am

    Didn't Clemson give up 287 playing their first string the whole game?

    Somewhere between 350-400. We can still win the game giving up that kind of yardage on the ground, because they won't get much in the air. However, we are going to have to score.

  14. Hamilton

    September 29, 2011 at 9:02 am

    The over/under that concerns me the most is how often is Presley over throwing or under throwing Quick.

  15. Jack'74

    September 29, 2011 at 9:20 am

    Way over. But it's the bottom line that counts and we'll have that one. Just win, baby!!!

  16. AB

    September 29, 2011 at 9:23 am

    Over by at least 50 yards.

  17. MIDSOUTH

    September 29, 2011 at 9:25 am

    Nobody on here is talking about Wofford's defense. I think that is a mistake to overlook that aspect of their team.

    There is a good chance that they eat up a lot of clock on O while their D holds App. to a lot of short possessions.

    I think the time of possession and turnover margin will favor Wofford. Will the final score though?

  18. MIDSOUTH

    September 29, 2011 at 9:26 am

    Over.

  19. ASU-LAW

    September 29, 2011 at 9:30 am

    Middle.

  20. AppForever

    September 29, 2011 at 9:31 am

    BooneDocks,

    I concure as well. I feel that when Jerry and staff put in the spread it was wildly successfull because Jerry found ways to use the benefits of the spread and the power I attacks to our addvantage. Yes the run opens up the pass, yes the pass opens up the run. Most importantly the run controls the clock! Not only does the run control the clock, with the exception of App last weekend, its hard to score when the other team has the ball. Speeding up the game(jet mode) is merely a way to take advantage of matchups that favor us and a defense that isnt ready for whats coming.

    Not sure who is calling plays now, but I refer them to APP STATE film from 06 and 07'. The run works the body and the pass throws the knockout punches!

  21. Boonedocks

    September 29, 2011 at 9:52 am

    I agree that K Rich was a complete back and we have missed him. We have very good running backs, but just haven't been able to consistently put it all together as far as passing, running, and throwing wheel routes/screens to the backs.

    I still believe we can do all those things, we're still Appalachian State! Here's hoping we put it all together this weekend against the puppies, and have an offensive breakout. Just wish this game was at the Rock. Have to win on the road to get the ring though.

  22. dixiedawg80

    September 29, 2011 at 9:53 am

    Under, we shut them down.

  23. AppForever

    September 29, 2011 at 9:59 am

    UNDER!!!!

    "The Young Guns" step it up and do what they were recruited for! I see the talent level in the young guys that hunter, murrell, krich, lynch had as seniors. The differnece is, the list I just named respected the game and wanted to learn how to be the best, not just because they were bigger, faster, stronger. Cause they weren't! They dug deep ever game and played with heart everytime they stepped onto that field. They knew what it meant to be a Mountaineer, play for coaches, teammates, and fans that support you.

  24. shanickwa

    September 29, 2011 at 10:02 am

    Offense is not going to score until we do something with size of the offensive line 5-11 245 on the line wil not do it does not take a genius to figure that out chattanooga almost did wofford just might georgia southern will starts with coaching

  25. Big Daddy

    September 29, 2011 at 10:12 am

    We must get back to our wide open unpredictable offense of a few years back. I see the skills in J. Jackson to be much more favorable in the passing attack. Leave DP in their rotating him, Cadet, & Baker-Boney in 2 back sets…….or use them as together with a mixture of packages at receiver. Old App State ball would have had several trick plays considering Cadet came in as a QB, DP, & J. Jackson are all talented…..We have speed and talent for heavens sake get creative and use it! Lets open it up a little……..AND FOR GOODNESS SAKE THROW BRIAN QUICK THE D@&N BALL! He will go get just throw it up there!

  26. Clubber Lang

    September 29, 2011 at 10:30 am

    My Prediction?

    Pain.

    Wofford's stoopid, dey come straight ahead. Dey tailor-made fuh meh.

  27. AppBanker

    September 29, 2011 at 11:27 am

    One of the biggest differences I have seen in the running game since KRich left, is that we seem to be palying running back by committee. I see Baker-Boney as a KRich type back who gets better the more carries he has, but we switch backs so often, none of them get in a rhythm. Let Baker-Boney have the majority of carries, with Cadet and Miller thrown in for the swing passes and the occasional change of pace running.

  28. Fleetwood App

    September 29, 2011 at 11:36 am

    +1 Banker.

  29. bcoach

    September 29, 2011 at 11:50 am

    +1 Banker

  30. yogi86

    September 29, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    App 24

    Woff 21

  31. section212

    September 29, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    Our DB's proved they can cover man-2-man last week, so take that same tactic this week. Stack 8 in the box, stay focused, and shut down that pee-wee league offense. Once they get inside the 20, they won't be able to punch it in. Our red zone d has been incredible this season.

    They go over, but most of that will be between the 20's.

    Mountain Men 27

    Wooford 20

  32. ceez

    September 29, 2011 at 12:57 pm

    1-800 Satterfield

  33. section212

    September 29, 2011 at 1:15 pm

    What are the chances we run some 4-3 with big boys Wylie & Aiken clogging up the middle to counteract the TO?

    Anyone have an opinion whether the 4-3 is a better alignment against the TO, or is the 3-4 just as effective? Guess much of that depends on execution…

  34. Mtnjax

    September 29, 2011 at 1:59 pm

    3-4 could work if the d line can occupy the blockers to keep the LBs free to concentrate on the backs

  35. Aho Old Guy

    September 29, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    O/U on illegal cut blocks by Wofford wings: 9

    I hope the refs are paying attention

  36. Gwaltineer

    September 29, 2011 at 4:14 pm

    Over, but good red zone D and turnovers can be the difference.

    A quick offensive start makes life a lot easier. I still think that we can out athlete Wofford to the point that they get flustered. The defensive game plan is in place. Tackle and spread them out and we can win the toughest road game we play.

  37. ASU3432

    September 29, 2011 at 4:36 pm

    If we have anything close to last week's incompetent officiating crew………….. we don't win. A competent crew that knows how to call "holding"………….. we win BIG!

  38. MIDWEST

    September 29, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    Ceez,

    Be sure to credit me for the 1-800 Satterfield line. I had that copyrighted you know. haha.

    I couldn't agree more. This game will be the defining moment this year.

  39. LP APPFAN

    September 29, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    does anyone know what channel the game is going to be on… I have at&t uverse

  40. RockyApp

    September 29, 2011 at 6:31 pm

    This is #41 McGowan's coming out party

    The kid has great instincts and a nose for the ball

    And he can run!

    yes, he will make mistakes but i have faith Dale has the boyz ready for this game despite our youth

    Wylie and DJ did a great job last year clogging up the middle

    hope to see #31 come up and lay some wood too 🙂

  41. FishInFlorida

    September 29, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    i'm scared to say… last time i watched App at Wofford on tv, we lost… it was in Foley Beach SC… it was not pleasant…

  42. clayton

    September 30, 2011 at 3:06 am

    It is always the same with the triple option. Make it 2nd/3rd and long. They won't have a chance. If its 2nd/3rd and short, we better watch out. Losing Kimbrough hurts because he could have "DJ Smithed" Eric B.

    Their receivers average 25 yards a catch. They don't throw it often, but they go down the field when they do. That's why Legree got so many INTs against them.

    If we force them to throw, we kill them. If they throw because they want to, they kill us.

  43. clayton

    September 30, 2011 at 3:06 am

    Also, make it 1-900-Satterfield.

    We're going to have to pay for him.

  44. appthunder90

    September 30, 2011 at 3:27 am

    touche clayton

  45. JMcCray

    September 30, 2011 at 4:53 am

    I agree with Clayton. I'm pretty excited with our D schemes that we can reduce the potency of the triple option. As long as we can prevent the big downfield strikes.

  46. Mountainmanscg

    September 30, 2011 at 6:49 am

    I also agree with Boonedocks "The read option is the cornerstone of our spread" however, i have yet to see DP make a read much less use an option. against UTC there were several plays to where a pitch to an uncovered TC7 would have gained modest yardage, instead, DP lowered his head & was met at the line. On passing plays – option one is stared down, option 2…please refer back to option 1 because DP is still staring him down, option 3 is wide open in the middle, but again, please refer back to option 1 because he is still being stared down & now thrown to under coverage.

  47. The rock

    September 30, 2011 at 10:33 am

    GO MOUNTAINEERS!! STOMP THE ANKLE BITERS!!!

    Dont care how we get it. Offense, defense, special teams, or any combo, as long as the final scoreboard has App with more Points, I will be happy.

  48. ASUGoose

    September 30, 2011 at 4:41 pm

    If we can somehow hold them to 250 yards or less on the ground we win this game by a ton…. I mean like Halloween night a ton.

    I know Jerry won't do it but if DP is struggling with the offense by half, he needs to pull him and put in JJ. Deandre had more weapons on offense last year to bail him out as his passing accuracy is terrible. When we were winning national championships Armanti was laser accurate (to go along with his wonderful running ability). With the spread offense, you have to pass first to open up the run and right now that just isn't the case with DP.

    Prediction:

    App 26

    Wooford 13

  49. The rock

    September 30, 2011 at 5:36 pm

    I don't think dp is calling for a cadet run up the middle. Last week we didn't get a pass game going because we called run up middle x2 and a qb keeper. I place that on the coaches. Hopefully this week we allow dp to throw and use baker-Boney and miller as RBs to get our run game going.

  50. The rock

    September 30, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    Ps

    Deandre is not armanti. Jamal is not armanti. No one will be as accurate and quick and truly a dual threat like armanti. Deandre IS a pretty good qb, he just doesnt look as good because he continues to be compared to armanti.

  51. ASUGoose

    October 1, 2011 at 5:00 am

    Disagree. Dp doesn't look good because he isn't performing plain and simple. I don't think richie had one game besides the lsu game where we didn't score on offense.

    It doesn't matter who u compare him too, he still hasn't shown that he can get us to another nat champ

  52. bcoach

    October 1, 2011 at 5:05 am

    Here is the bottom line. It is all up to the O line. If they get to DP he gets shook and bad things happen. If we give him protection he is a fairyl good QB or let me say he performs well.

  53. ASUGoose

    October 2, 2011 at 6:58 am

    Deandre had protection yesterday and still didn't perform. Time for a change….put JJ in against Citadel please.

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