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CREAMUp – “ASU’s Tuition Committee recommended a 12.3 percent campus-initiated increase in tuition. The committee proposed an increase of $25 for a total Athletics fee of $661. Also slated to increase under the fee proposals is the Athletics Facilities Debt Service fee. The recommended increase is $42 for a total of $117—a 56 percent hike.”

31 Comments

  1. jland

    November 28, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    And so died social mobility…

  2. JMcCray

    November 28, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    Social mobility is a sham to placate the masses.

  3. SpeedkingATL

    November 28, 2011 at 4:23 pm

    I was able to work my way thru school in the 70's; no way I could do it today.

  4. MJT

    November 28, 2011 at 5:25 pm

    Embarrassing. Flat out embarrassing. The State of North Carolina has long time been an advocate supporter of higher education but the budget cuts over the past decade have been ridiculous. I wish Bill Friday was still President of the UNC System. I can't imagine these types of cuts would take place with him at the helm.

    And don't even get me going on the absurd fees that students pay for athletics. Seriously? We offer a great FCS football team and mediocre Division I athletics. We look like a bunch of idiots charging students these types of fees for athletics. It's a total sham. Don't put the hopes of moving up to FBS on the backs of current students. In a time when public support for higher education is decreasing while student loans outpaces national credit card debt, we continue to raise fees for athletics?

    It's sad.

  5. MJT

    November 28, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    Sorry, I didn't clarify the fact that the university is being forced to increase tuition as a result of declining state appropriations. I should have put that out there.

    As far as the comments I made concerning the student fees on varsity athletics, what do others think?

  6. StorminASU

    November 28, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    I think I paid a lot more for the terrible art programs all over campus than I wanted to, so at least they're getting their priorities straight this time 😉

  7. JD

    November 28, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    MJT,

    If Bill Friday was still the head of UNC, he would have a bigger problem with Butch Davis' program more than any issue with ASU moving up to FBS. Frankly, there are probably 30 FBS programs today that are more akin to FCS in attendance (see Rice, Memphis, Tulane, etc, all with lower attendance that ASU). Get on board….the train is leaving the station.

  8. rick

    November 28, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    Storming is my Hero!!!!!! I am pissed that we paid for all crap called art!!!!!!!

  9. Proart

    November 28, 2011 at 6:31 pm

    The Rosen Outdoor Sculpture Competition & Exhibition is a national juried competition presented annually by the Turchin Center for the Visual Arts on the campus of Appalachian State University in Boone, North Carolina. Made possible by the generosity of longtime arts supporters Martin and Doris Rosen, this national, juried competition continues a long-held tradition of showcasing the best of large-scale, contemporary American sculpture. Each year, ten sculptures are selected for exhibition, and are situated in outdoor, public settings across campus. A cash prize is awarded to the artist whose work is chosen as that year's Rosen Award winner. Since its establishment in 1987, The Rosen has become an integral part of An Appalachian Summer Festival, the university's annual multi-arts celebration, with the announcement of the Rosen Award winner coming during the festival's annual Sculpture Walk with that year's juror.

    Posted from appstate.edu by a long-time football season ticket holder and supporter of ASU arts.

    You may not like the art but your tuition did not pay for the sculpture.

  10. MJT

    November 28, 2011 at 8:56 pm

    +1 Proart

    Also, JD, Bill Friday would have slapped Holden Thorp so fast, Butch would have never made it past the LSU game to start 2010. And besides, I wasn't arguing about Bill Friday's stance on whether or not App should move up to FBS…. I was talking about Bill Friday standing up for the UNC System and reducing the type of cuts in state appropriations that are currently taking place.

  11. clayton

    November 29, 2011 at 2:52 am

    Pretty soon they're going to have to let students sit in the luxury suites.

  12. Deano

    November 29, 2011 at 4:15 am

    MJT, I sympathize with todays students, but this is reality. Do you think we are the only state facing cuts in our education? What do you think our leaders could do to remedy this? I'm open for any suggestions. Any budget cut in one area means someone else has to suffer. I don't know how ASU's price of tuition measures up compared to the rest of the state supported schools today, but I know in the 90's ASU was on the best price list for the southeast for several years in a row. If we want to keep improving and we want our program to grow, its going to take money, plain and simple. I donate every year and buy season tickets and if ticket prices go up, guess what, I will still buy them because I realize that is what it is going to take to continue to build our program.

  13. ceez

    November 29, 2011 at 4:19 am

    12 posts up to this point, and not one is from Nay Nay…I'm upset.

    Side note: Watched the video on the side of the page from the men's last bball game. I have seen larger crowds in the SRC for a UREC game.

  14. ASU Lacrosse 18

    November 29, 2011 at 5:25 am

    Ceez, it was over break which didn't help. Not sure if that can count for a total excuse, but it was a factor.

  15. Caribou

    November 29, 2011 at 6:00 am

    Also, playing Milligan doesn't help (even though we were apparently down 23-22 at one point). Back to the topic though, this tuition thing is out of control. 12.3% increase is a lot of money, I understand you need to continue to grow, but didn't they just build some fancy new dorms to allow more students with more money to come in? Granted, class sizes haven't increased, but who cares when you get more money.

  16. carbine

    November 29, 2011 at 6:05 am

    Even with the increases, UNC system schools still offer some of the lowest tuition in the country, and the best value for dollar. Whether the taxpayer is getting good value for the dollars spent maintaining this system is another matter. And contrary to what someone posted above, the UNC system has not been suffering cuts for a decade; rather it has seen a steady increase (well over inflation) in state appropriations and has been taking a growing percentage of all state appropriations for years, up until 2009. There is a tremendous amount of fat in the UNC system, but no one in the system will address it because everyone invloved is addicted to the state teat. In addition, the UNC system has one of the most effective lobbying efforts in the General Assembly, with alumni in key budget-writing positions and a vast network of political fund-raising capacity at its beck and call. The UNC system ALWAYS gets what it wants, never mind who or what else must suffer. And that's not going to change anytime soon.

  17. rick

    November 29, 2011 at 6:25 am

    Sorry , but the college experience has changed over the years… Just look at High Point University… are kids going to college to learn or be entertained???? I am proud of what ASU has done , and I don't want kids to feed from the "wheel of Death " @ the BI!!!! but some of the $$$ seems excessive?????

  18. appdreamin

    November 29, 2011 at 6:25 am

    Also, Bill Friday didn't have to deal with state budget deficits and the current composition of the state legislature. If he was UNC system president in today's environment, I doubt he would have been any more effective at avoiding the budget cuts which drive most of these increases than is anyone else.

  19. sideline

    November 29, 2011 at 6:36 am

    Just who is supposed to pay the bill if not the students who are getting the benefit? We just can't keep expecting the government to pay for everything. The government is broke. Most state governments are in REAL trouble. It really is time to start looking at priorities. You can't buy a good car for the price of 4 years of tuition. Throw in a second good car and you have covered room and board. You have 20 years to pay your student loans. How many cars will you buy in the next 20 years?

    Student fees? Well you want either a first class FCS program or you want to move to FBS. Who should pay for that? At this school that just can't be done with donations. The money has to come from somewhere so where should that be?

    All I am saying is that we need to establish priorities. What is more important, a new car or an education. Season tickets on the 50 or paying your mortgage. Going to a playoff game or going to your kids Christmas play. Going to a bowl game or paying your insurance. We just can't expect the government to be all things. We tried that. How does it seem to be working out?

  20. MikeM

    November 29, 2011 at 7:02 am

    App is a different place today than it was when I attended. Facilities have improved, diversity of studies improved, admission standards are higher and cost is up. You don't get the first three without the 4th.

    And I'd pay 5x the current cost to go back. I'd be in the fermentation sciences program. (I think I was in that program in the 80's too)

  21. Reese

    November 29, 2011 at 7:04 am

    You know why people used to be able to pay for college by hard work and working alone? Because people used to actually pay taxes in the 60's and 70's. There was funding and money for colleges, with room in budgets.

    Also, there were A LOT LESS people in traditional 4 year colleges. I guess the 4 year college route is moreless the norm expectation. Exponentially more students coupled with less funding for scholarships, financial aid, and grants has led to more expensive educations AND THEN you throw in a struggling economy.

    Who else is supposed to foot the bill besides students when state/fed money runs thin? This has become acceptable because our generation keeps taking out loans and putting off the debt. Myself, and many others will be screwed in 10-20 years.

  22. sideline

    November 29, 2011 at 7:21 am

    But you don't have to be. Things can be turned around. Things can be different. What do you think the reaction in Washington would be if EVERY incumbent were voted out in the next election? WE need to be heard. Not by living in a park and taking a crap on Wall St. Those things are ignored by entrenched politicians. When they see all their buddies removed from office then you have their attention. We need to shrink government and start looking out for ourselves. The politicans do not have your best interest at heart. You must force them to do what is right for the people. The only way to do that is either buy them or threaten their gravy train job. The fat cats who can buy them has not been very good for you or I so how about the other way?

  23. carbine

    November 29, 2011 at 7:45 am

    Reese, people still pay taxes, and there's more state funding for higher education now than there has ever been, at least up until 2008. The problem is that the cost of a college education has skyrocketed out of control, and that is largely BECAUSE of increased government funding, including the increased availability of government-backed student loans. Higher education has become a racket in this country, with institutions demanding more and more and more, and constantly setting the funding bar higher. Meanwhile we tell ourselves that it's all for the children, and we don't pry too deeply into how the money is being spent. Kids are told they HAVE to go to college to have any shot at a good life, so we spend gazillions babysitting disinterested douchebags who would have been a lot happier (and a lot more employable) had they gone to a technical school and learned something useful, rather than hanging out in Justice Hall getting stoned instead of doing the assigned reading in their comparative literature class. But hey, we have these beautiful campuses and highly paid professors of comp lit, and administrators by the dozens in every builidng.

  24. Reese

    November 29, 2011 at 7:55 am

    Yes, you're right. There is more state funding,

    Carbine,

    but it is still inadequate for the amount of students are flooding 4 year institutions. The increase of government backed students are because there aren't enough funding and grants and scholarships to go around to those who need it.

    And I agree with you to an extent. Many are going to college, when in all actuality, a 4 year university track may not be right for them. And yes, CC's, tech schools, and voc. training institutions are the better choice for many.

  25. carbine

    November 29, 2011 at 9:12 am

    "Inadequate" is a subjective quality, always subject to debate. As for the flood of students, that could be easily fixed by legislation limiting the numbers of enrollees (and raising admission standards) while expanding the community college system and high school vocational trainign. But the UNC system lobbyists would never allow it because it would slow down their clients' gravy train.

  26. Reese

    November 29, 2011 at 9:38 am

    Carbine,

    still disagree with you on several points, but thanks for the engaging conversation. don't want to delve to far into the political side of it, in risk of losing the civility of the conversation.

  27. AB

    November 29, 2011 at 10:58 am

    They could start a blog site for ASU and advertise for other universities to help generate revenue.

  28. asu7

    November 30, 2011 at 5:45 am

    Just got news that I have been accepted to the grad school at APP!!!!! I will be a Mountaineer squared!

    This is sad but it just a sign of the times. Improvement costs money and APP is doing that. We are catching up quickly. Pretty soon APP will be better than NCState … o wait … nm.

  29. Big Dave

    November 30, 2011 at 11:29 am

    Go to a community college for 2 years then transfer to a 4 year school. Saves BIG bucks and your degree still shows ASU or other school on it.

    The increases are part of our world and students will have to deal with the mistakes of my generation and the promises of entitlements that can’t be kept.

  30. asu7

    December 1, 2011 at 4:43 am

    BD is right. Transferring is the best option. Those general ed classes are just that. General. Also APP is a lot easier to get into when you transfer AND you do not have to live on campus AND you can have a car.

  31. carbine

    December 1, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    It worked for me.

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