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ESPN not making many friends in FCS

Blackout – “This is new to me. I’ve never seen this [exclusivity] before. It’s very exclusive. This has caused a lot of unhappiness on our behalf. It’s a bummer.” The only playoff game to be broadcast on traditional TV will be the championship. The rest of the FCS postseason is basically going the way of a 117-year-old rivalry. All hail the WWL! /Awwwww hell ….

SQUEAKY WHEELS. Griz gets it done – “After a week of Montana football fans bombarding ESPN with calls and emails, and Montana’s congressional delegation putting pressure on the sports mega-giant, the network has decided to air the University of Montana and Montana State football playoff games on television.” Just $24.60.

RETREAT. App State-Maine also added to the gameplan thingy.



    November 29, 2011 at 7:56 am

    further evidence that no one gives a rat's ass about the FCS.

  2. ASU-LAW

    November 29, 2011 at 7:58 am

    Honestly, not a big deal with the exception of the lost national exposure. Most cable providers have contracted with ESPN3 and allow subscribers to access ESPN3 via the internet. Anyone with XBOX360 and/or a modern age TV can stream it to their living room television. The quality is pretty damn good too, so long as you have a decent internet connection.

  3. appfan89

    November 29, 2011 at 8:13 am

    If it was the Toilet Bowl versus 2 6-6 teams, it would be on ESPN. So I agree with Midwest on that one.

  4. tim

    November 29, 2011 at 8:36 am

    This is all about ESPN strong arming providers into picking up ESPN3. Some Montana fan started a Facebook page trying to get ESPN to sell the rights to local cable providers so they can watch the games in their state since a lot ISP's in MT don't carry ESPN3. Every Griz game has been on TV for years and now they feel ESPN is screwing them for the almighty dollar and I have to agree.

    It makes no sense that ESPN can air cheerleading competitions, hunting and fishing shows, poker, the spelling bee, the longest drive contest and HIGH SCHOOL football/b-ball, yet they are unwilling to broadcast the NCAA DIVISION 1 Playoffs.

  5. mtnjax

    November 29, 2011 at 8:49 am

    Next round's games will probably be on TV and the semi's too. Just because it's not on the ESPN schedule doesn't mean that won't change. Most of the past years, we've had to wait until the week of to know what games were on TV and what channel.

  6. HOGAN

    November 29, 2011 at 8:51 am


    I disagree with your statement on "strong arming" and here is why:

    As an avid NHL fan, I'm constantly subjected to conversations with other hockey advocates about the "conspiracy" that ESPN has to keep hockey down. Wrong. ESPN isn't stupid, they wouldn't be where they are if they were. I'm a realist in knowing the NHL is 6th in American sports behind NFL, MLB, NBA, NCAAFB and NCAABB. You could probably have a good debate about it vs. NASCAR.

    My point with that is, we live in an FCS centered world and look at everything through FCS eyes. The fact of the matter is, there is zero strong arming occurring, the FCS just doesn't matter outside of those who attended an fcs school. And even then, I'd argue there are plenty of fcs'ers who are Ohio state ( pick a team) guys before even thinking about watching their own alma matter.

    The playoff system rules and I love app. But no one else in the country cares and no one watches when it's on. Hence it being relegated to the Internet. I'm no MIDWEST fan, but I'm with him on this one.

  7. HOGAN

    November 29, 2011 at 8:54 am

    Also, anyone that can't see the importance of national exposure in recruiting is a bone head. You can bet your ass a guy will go to FBS FIU before App if it means he will be on tv 2x more including a toilet bowl at the end of the season.

    There I'm done.

  8. carbine

    November 29, 2011 at 8:54 am

    Actually, this is proof that people DO care about FCS. There is no way ESPN would have paid for the rights to the games if they didn't believe they could make more money selling access to them via ESPN3. ESPN is not a charity, they are in the business to make money and they do so by obtaining the rights to things people will pay to see.

  9. Psl48

    November 29, 2011 at 9:07 am

    This is what happens when the mothership has too much power over other sporting outlets. They hold all the cards and when they have the rights to basically every sports contract they pick what will be broadcasted.

    Really blows

  10. wer4asu

    November 29, 2011 at 9:30 am

    It goes to show that ESPN controls sports. Not just this instance but pretty much all sports. If they don't control it now, just wait they will control it soon. When is someone going to establish a competitor to them?

  11. socon

    November 29, 2011 at 9:38 am

    last weekend's jmu game was on ESPNU – Im sure one other game this weekend will be alloted that space as well. Who cares when the game is in your own backyard and you get to attend. 2 tickets this morning!

  12. Keith

    November 29, 2011 at 9:48 am

    Anyway you look at it, this is frustrating. I think it will be a positive Saturday for our football team. The last several first round games have been on ESPN2 or ESPNU giving our fans the option of watching at home. While, ESPN3 is an option, there may be more incentive to just come to the game this year.

    While we didn't know in past years who ESPN would be covering, we knew when. The semis were Friday at 8 on ESPN2 and Saturday at 4 on ESPN. I'll be very disapointed if they don't broadcast the semis on tv.

    I guess the bowl just won the television fight.

  13. Moster Appfan

    November 29, 2011 at 9:55 am

    This is bad for the FCS, Bad for ASU and bad for any college trying to gain a little exposure from the hard work of their sports programs. Bring on the FBS…App deserves better than this.

  14. Zen

    November 29, 2011 at 9:55 am

    Just checked out the ESPN3 Schedule for Saturday.

    Along with the FCS playoff games there are:

    Seven FBS games (all of which are also on one of the TV networks)

    Two High School State Championship games, and

    The Pop Warner Superbowl Game.

    Does that tell you where FCS football ranks in interest to the general population?

  15. tim

    November 29, 2011 at 10:01 am

    Hogan, I understand where you're coming from but as Carbine pointed out, this is strictly business. They aren't broadcasting the first few rounds so they can "entice" ISPs to pick up ESPN3. The spelling bee isn't even a sport or game for that matter, why is it given so much air time? No one outside of the kids/parents involved or the schools they represent care. They don't air cheerleading competitions for viewership/ratings. No one besides Sue Sylvester cares about cheerleading. I'd wager they do that as a PR stunt to satisfy women's rights groups aka Martha Burk.

    Why can't ESPN show more than 1 game (JMU v EKU) on ESPNU? Why won't ESPN show the games on ESPN gameplan and allow fans to purchase the games individually? It's because they want ESPN3 to be picked up by all ISPs. It has nothing to do with ratings. ESPN3 is their new product they're trying to push and the best way to do that is to increase demand by limiting the supply.

    The true FAIL lies with the NCAA for selling out all the rights. They should have put a clause in their contract with ESPN that allows cable providers to purchase rights and broadcast games that ESPN won't show on any of their multitude of channels instead of allowing ESPN to sell those rights as they see fit.

  16. JD

    November 29, 2011 at 10:06 am

    FCS = Bush League….so sayeth ESPN.

  17. Dr. Gonzo

    November 29, 2011 at 10:23 am

    Supply and demand

  18. AB

    November 29, 2011 at 10:27 am

    "Actually, this is proof that people DO care about FCS. There is no way ESPN would have paid for the rights to the games if they didn’t believe they could make more money selling access to them via ESPN3. ESPN is not a charity, they are in the business to make money and they do so by obtaining the rights to things people will pay to see."

    Actually this is proof that only a few people care about the FCS. ESPN believes that the few people that would purchase the game online will produce more revenue than the advertising dollars that a game on ESPN (actual TV) would generate.

    The FCS is getting the D2 and D3 treatment. Basketball season is here and the FCS playoffs are clearly behind them. Sad that the FCS doesn't get a chance to showcase the better programs at this level.

  19. shaniqwa

    November 29, 2011 at 10:48 am

    Just a reminder how small time we r FFFFBBBBSSSS!

  20. ASU-LAW

    November 29, 2011 at 10:57 am

    Lets look at the facts here people!!!

    The only people who are going to watch this game are people that are interested in watching the freaking game.

    That being said, ESPN3 is available in 70 million homes nationwide and to 21 million U.S. college students and military personnel. If that isn't sufficient access to our games, I don't know what is.

  21. JMcCray

    November 29, 2011 at 11:02 am

    I agree with carbine. If they didn't care, they would let whoever pick it up and broadcast it. They do care, however, because it doesn't fit in with their brand of College Football.

  22. ASU-LAW

    November 29, 2011 at 11:05 am

    ESPN3 is unavailable for those who live in the middle of nowhere Montana… boo hoo.

  23. Larry Hand

    November 29, 2011 at 11:15 am

    Let's face the facts it's my opinion that ESPN/Money controls whats going on today in most major Sports from telling the different Conferences who they need to allow into their conferences and when to schedule many of the Teams Games. Do you hear anyone Broadcasting Major sporting events publically complain unless they are planning another career!

  24. AB

    November 29, 2011 at 11:17 am

    ASU-LAW you said it in your first post:

    "Honestly, not a big deal with the exception of the lost national exposure."

    Losing the national exposure is a big deal to ASU and our leaders including Peacock believe this as well.

  25. Moster Appfan

    November 29, 2011 at 11:37 am

    ASU-LAW I will put you in the same category as most lawyers. Double talk and no substance. The truth is you are wrong. Many people will have a friend or family member that is ASU fan and will watch the game because it is on TV. Many suddo sports fans will watch the game if it is on TV because it is a playoff game – these people have not gotten off their rears all season to see a game. They will not go to the internet and huddle around their computer to see it. Seriously you think that is the same thing… Seriously. Not everyone is an avid sports fan, but it is good for the school that those people see ASU on a national level. Just because they do not go crazy over sports does not mean we don't need their kids to come to our University for an education.

  26. Moster Appfan

    November 29, 2011 at 11:42 am

    Microsoft has sold 16 million Xbox 360's in the US. That works out to be 5.26% of the 304,059,724 people

  27. Gwaltineer

    November 29, 2011 at 11:42 am

    ESPN3 is a great service, but I can't believe they got exclusive rights to the bradcast. The NCAA messed up on this one.

    Toilet bowls suck, btw. Even if they are on TV.

  28. Appgrad11

    November 29, 2011 at 11:43 am

    Anyone on here who believes that anyone cares about the FCS outside of people directly connected with those schools participating in it are living in a fantasy land. ESPN 3 needs something to fill the time so they show FCS playoffs and Scrabble tournaments. I myself will watch only App and could careless about the rest of the FCS. I cannot even remember who played in or won the last 3 fcs national championships. You guys make fun of the bowls but at least their on television and they are featuring teams that the nation cares about.

  29. Dr. Gonzo

    November 29, 2011 at 11:46 am

    FCS=Forfeits Coverage Systematically

    I'm so glad our leaders got the ball rolling already. Are there any more hard-headed AARP App fans left? I hope not. It's varsity time

  30. ASUGoose

    November 29, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    I am so tired of being in FCS, really who cares about the FCS and having our games on PBS…

    Can we not get a bid to FBS already???

  31. biggie

    November 29, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    Just a thought, in FBS we won't be on TV either, because we wouldn't be playing after Thanksgiving.

  32. Cold Beer

    November 29, 2011 at 12:55 pm

    I agree it is a strong arm tactic to get ESPN3 on all providers.

    If they were just in it for the money they would have it on gameplan and/or sell it locally and make more money.

    ESPN is thinking long term.

    Just for that greed I am not watching sports center the rest of the week.

    That will show em.

  33. clayton

    November 29, 2011 at 1:04 pm

  34. ASU-LAW

    November 29, 2011 at 1:22 pm

    Moster Appfan,

    Wow.. pot calling the kettle black. You are full of assumptions. First off you assume I am a lawyer because my name has "Law" in it. Second, you assume all lawyers are the same with some convoluted negative connotation. That's the equivalent of saying ASU is like WCU in football (*quivers at the thought. Third, you assume fcs has marginal fans who would watch the game but for it being accessible via antiquated tube tv. The truth is that nobody give a crap about FCS unless they are directly associated with the subject schools. Certainly a few channel skimmers may stop and watch a few minutes, just like i stop and watch a few minutes of each little league world series, but what benefit does this provide? The TRUTH is the games are now more accessible than ever to people who actually care to watch the game thanks to ESPN (unless of course you live under a rock). I can even watch the game on my cell phone now! This is an incredible benefit if I was traveling on the road.

    As your your x-box comment, ESPN3 is accessible via a number of gaming systems and the internet. Again, 70 million households AND 21 million U.S. college students and military personnel.

    If you ask me it's time to pony up get some decent internet, goodwill that tube TV of yours, and buy a $7 cable that hooks your TV to your computer.

  35. ASU-LAW

    November 29, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    Oh and lets not forget you will be able to finally watch more ASU games on your TV by purchasing a ASUTV subscription and streaming it your computer!

  36. Rufus

    November 29, 2011 at 1:40 pm

    Nice find Clayton. Is this really unexpected? Riddle loves some fighting. I guess it was unexpected that he at least had a girl with him.

  37. Moster Appfan

    November 29, 2011 at 1:56 pm

    ASU-LAW, I never said you were a lawyer. I said "I will put you in the (category) as (MOST) Lawyers. So I am not comparing all Lawyers to one another either. They get paid to bend and stretch the truth. God Bless them they are necessary. Please read what someone writes before commmenting. Your other comments are just not even worth commenting on..but I will. I am in IT and I am not so vain as to presumme that because I have the technology the rest of the world does. Nor like you, do I think because I go to every game or watch every game on tv that everyone else does. My point was there are alot of people that attend or attended this university that do not go to the games or watch them unless something big is happening…like a playoff game. Those are the same people that will not go to the extra effort to find the game on ESPN3. I would go to find it, they would not.

  38. HOGAN

    November 29, 2011 at 2:31 pm

    Plain and simple, I'm happy to be able to watch app play, regardless of where it is because I have the option of that versus nothing.

    But line up that one option given with every other media option and it's pretty obvious, this plain sucks. We get PBS coverage during the regular season and Internet coverage during the playoffs.

    Seriously guys, most d-3 club hockey programs in the southeast stream their games live. Some even with announcers. Doesn't mean it's legit.

  39. sideline

    November 29, 2011 at 2:34 pm

    Do you really think that the world will care when we go FBS. Do you really think anyone tunes in to see Marshall or ECU or Eastern Michigan, do I need to go on? People tune in to see the teams that will eventually be in the 4 super conferences and the school they went to. Non BCS conferences have no following among non grads. We will tune in to see ASU play when they are on (and that is not every week by the way) just like the people who went to ECU will tune in to see them. If you think getting on TV is going to help our recruiting in Texas or California, or North Dakota you are dreaming. When was the last time you called all your buddies and said "we got to meet at my place to watch the Western Michigan VS Toledo game"!!!!!!! This is big, we can't miss it!!!

  40. AIG

    November 29, 2011 at 3:03 pm

    The truth is nobody cares about the FCS especially the playoffs. Can't even find the playoff scores in the local paper and during regular season might get a blurb under "small colleges". I'm afraid Old Dominion is gaining momentum and we are losing it. Don't want to see them get the invite and we get left out.

  41. AIG

    November 29, 2011 at 3:08 pm

    Forgot to mention PBS. That was just classic

  42. Appgrad11

    November 29, 2011 at 3:35 pm

    Actually sideline I just got back from Colorado and I had a conversation at lunch with some guys from California and Texas about ECU. They seemed to think that ECU was being unfairly dismissed as a possible candidate for the Big East. They brought up how East Carolina's football program has really improved in the past 5 years because of big wins against Virginia Tech and others. When I brought up Appalachian State they just alluded to the Michigan game. They were not aware of our three "National Championships" until I informed them.

  43. JD

    November 29, 2011 at 3:44 pm


    As a supporter of the move to FBS, one of my main desires is to see our beloved Apps take on the likes of UNC, NCSU, Duke, WF and ECU on some kind of a regular basis (including playing them at Kidd Brewer). The only way that happens is going FBS. ECU gets all the big four teams to come to greenville on a regular basis. It may take 10 years before these schools come to Boone to play, but mark my word…they will eventually come. Imagine Kidd Brewer with 40000 in attendance for the Apps to play UNC or NCSU….now THAT will kick butt!

    Movin' on up….

  44. Travis

    November 29, 2011 at 3:44 pm

    I just spoted news to the contrary about this report on goasu. Go check out the app vs maine preview page and read about It.

  45. Frank

    November 29, 2011 at 3:44 pm

    ESPN will do like in the years past. play earlier opening rounds on ESPN3. Then they will play a couple key match ups in quarter finals and semi finals on TV.

  46. chAmPPs

    November 29, 2011 at 3:45 pm

    Here's the thing. Regardless of how well we do in the FCS, this lack of coverage is emblematic of how it will always be. The entire exposure we have gained in ESPN world was due to one win. The NC's (if we want to call them that) were lost in the middle to later part of a regular Sports Center. They were well behind regular season NBA, NCAA Basketball, NHL and news of upcoming bowls. I remember the last one in Chatty and watching the next morning (in the year we beat UM), and that's when the story played without interviews or comments from the coverage team. This is the absolute extent of what we can accomplish at this level. You like it, have at it. I'm sick of the BS lack of coverage. Time to get our move on.

  47. sideline

    November 29, 2011 at 4:07 pm

    Well I supose the teams that are not in the super conferences may come in 10 years but you have to remember that they will not be much to brag about. There is no posibility that a super conference team will ever see Boone.

  48. chAmPPs

    November 29, 2011 at 4:08 pm

    One last thing. I love me some APPS. Anyone who knows me well swear to that fact. But, with this joke of a recruiting system we have had to deal with in relation to our O-Line and D Line, we'll get run by 50 at Ann Arbor in two years.

    At first I was proud of our decision to go back and face them.

    Now, if we don't get some people who can call a game better than my 2nd grader and get somebody who values interior linemen, I'd prefer we schedule Mars Hill or Watauga High so that these cats don't make headlines for a more embarrassing ASS WHUPPIN than they got at VT. Play calling is the WORST I have ever witnessed at any level of football. The WORST. Sorry lovers like WV, who has a hard time typing with one hand while he has one on Jerry's un!t, but that's hard facts. (was hard the wrong adjective?)

    If you're a lover of advancement of this great school, demand better. DEMAND BETTER.

  49. AIG

    November 29, 2011 at 4:29 pm

    Cancel the Michigan game now before it's too late. Our claim to fame is that win which nobody will remember after they crush us on the rematch.

  50. AppInExile

    November 29, 2011 at 4:41 pm

    So, in summation…nobody cares except us. When do we get the FBS invite?

  51. Gwaltineer

    November 29, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    So we trade FCS where no one cares but us for a sorry ass FBS conference where believe it or not…no one but us would care. If the purpose for exposures is to gain recruits that ultimately lead to national relevance, then we are chasing our tail. All that we gain is an occasional ESPN game. My computer works well and I will take a playoff game that does actually mean something.

    And anyone who refers to our team as JV can kiss my ass and go F themselves.


    November 29, 2011 at 5:27 pm

    App State has brand recognition. We need to capitalize on it before the gold starts to tarnish.

  53. Appgrad11

    November 29, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    I hate to be the bearer of bad news but the FCS playoffs and "national championship" (I should call it FCS championship) mean far less in the big picture than the worse bowl. Whether it be money, exposure, or competition, bowl games are far superior. If you take Troy (the loser of the bowl) and put them in the FCS last year they win the FCS championship no problem. The FCS championship is on the same level as the Division 2 championship when it comes to exposure and importance. Sorry but you guys are living in denial.

  54. hapapp

    November 29, 2011 at 5:57 pm

  55. Gwaltineer

    November 29, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    Those who dwell in the bottom conferences..or Big East…are in denial.

  56. Appgrad11

    November 29, 2011 at 6:20 pm

    I would rather struggle but a least try to play in conference people have heard of and features nationally recognized competition rather than be third in a conference that nobody has heard of glorified division 2 teams.

  57. Appgrad11

    November 29, 2011 at 6:21 pm

    against glorified division 2 teams


    November 29, 2011 at 6:21 pm

    Just win dammit. Let's go out on top!

  59. carbine

    November 29, 2011 at 7:09 pm

    Is the point of ASU football to get on television? Is that what it's really all about? If just being on television is a worthwhile end goal, moving to FBS would make sense. But to me it's just ridiculous to care about that. And frankly, when I read those kind of comments I can't help but think that those who wrote them are at some level ashamed of their connection to ASU. It seems very juvenile.

  60. Rick

    November 29, 2011 at 7:29 pm

    Ok, this is just the hard truth as I see it (just my humble opinion). Those of us who care enough to come on AppFan, MI, MMB, etc will be there no matter who or where we are playing, BUT when we go FBS and have a few 4-7 or 6-6, or however many games we'll play then, we are going to see a drop in attendance and interest. I see too many fair-weather fans at the games, at least around us. I played in the late eighties and we did well, in front of MAYBE 15,000 fans. The fact that the students, most anyway, won't stay past halftime in a tightly contested game now, doesn't bode well for the future if we are losing. I PRAY that I am wrong. The TV exposure of, say, a CUSA contract will be better, but it won't be primetime ESPN or better coverage. I hope I'm still alive when the UNC, WFU, NCSU, etc come to Boone to play. I think the move is, and has always been, inevitable. I just hope our fans are patient and supportive.

    NOW, fire that damn o-line (poor excuse for a) coach and get some dang o-linemen in the program!! The D-line actually looks very good, but Speir has a d-line coaching background and he knows how to recruit! …and not be a butthead.

  61. sideline

    November 30, 2011 at 2:47 am

    First of all going back to Michigan is just plain stupid for both schools. We lose that once in a lifetime win and they look like big babies. We will go down big time and just confirm in everyone elses mind that it was a fluke. If by some miracle we would be in FBS at the time it would be even worse. It is all about money. Our program has become mostly about money and soon will be ALL about money.

    You want to be on TV? Well talk to me after that game. That will be when all these people you have been talking to around the country will get to see us in action. ESPN is going to hype this on big time. All your buddies will get to see us and you will get to say " sure we got our buts kicked bigger that VT, but did you see the camera work? did you hear the announcers? BIGGEST OF ALL WE WERE ON SPORTS CENTER!!!!"

  62. yosef82

    November 30, 2011 at 3:01 am


    Sorry lovers like WV, who has a hard time typing with one hand while he has one on Jerry’s un!t, but that’s hard facts. (was hard the wrong adjective?)

    If you’re a lover of advancement of this great school, demand better. DEMAND BETTER.

    I believe that most of the people that post on the MMB like WV have some sort of intimate connection with the university or the program. They are ex coaches, players, work or worked in the athletic department or university administration. They clearly have a personal interest in the way thing are in the program and do not want a change. They have friends or neighbors that have a personal interest in seeing that the current regime stay in place as long as possible. Therefore, they will argue to the bitter end that everything is “Wine and Roses” in KBS. Even if we lost every game they would defend Moore and company. They try to reverse the focus of a crappy coaching staff and the fact that the program going down by saying that our fan base is “spoiled”. They say this because we want to see a good performance and product on the field each week. They could give a damn less about the players the university or the students. They are just looking out for their own personal interest. These people are not fans they are parasites trying to serve their personal interest by delaying any improvement or change in the program.

    I hope that my assumption is correct because if not…..we have some of the dumbest, most delusional, irrational fans on the planet. I do not believe that is the case. Some of these people need to take up gardening because the game of football is waaaaaaaaaaay over their heads.


  63. AppMan

    November 30, 2011 at 3:37 am

    "Actually, this is proof that people DO care about FCS. There is no way ESPN would have paid for the rights to the games if they didn’t believe they could make more money selling access to them via ESPN3. ESPN is not a charity, they are in the business to make money and they do so by obtaining the rights to things people will pay to see."

    carbine this is about as big of a stretch as anything I've read. There is no money to be made televising the FCS playoffs, including the national championship game. If there were all the networkds would be bidding for the rights. The only thing for certain is ESPN won't lose nearly as much by showing these games on ESPN3.

  64. Gwaltineer

    November 30, 2011 at 4:00 am

    ASU just released a statement that the App game will also be available for purchase.

    If there is no money to be made (which there probably isn't) why did ESPN take exclusive broadcast rights? I agree that there is not a big market for this round. But the NCAA should not have sold exclusive rights if they were going to be blacked out of markets that would have paid for them. Maine said they were willing to pay $25K for the right to do the local broadcast. Obviously ESPN paid some price to keep the sole rights so it had to have some value.

    And just a history lesson, 2008 and 2009 was like this in that you had to pay $25 to watch both Richmond games.

    Also, the App vs Montana game in 2009 had nearly 2MM viewers, which was more than any other non New Years, New Years Eve, or BCS bowl game that season.

  65. Gwaltineer

    November 30, 2011 at 4:03 am

    Yosef82, if we win the national championship will you still call for Moore's head?

  66. Fleetwood App

    November 30, 2011 at 4:13 am

    Yes, he would Gwalt. He is dumb, delusional, and irrational.

  67. clayton

    November 30, 2011 at 4:42 am

    Hey look! My favorite football team is playing this weekend. I could go to the game, pay for it on TV, or watch it online.

    NOW I AM ANGRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  68. AB

    November 30, 2011 at 4:45 am

    If people really do care about the playoffs I would expect to see at least 20K in attendance this weekend, we shall see how much it really means to our fanbase.

  69. Beat Maine

    November 30, 2011 at 4:49 am

    Now our game is also on ESPN Gameplan

  70. Maxhr203

    November 30, 2011 at 4:55 am

    Does anybody really believe that should we get the FBS also conference that our games will all of the sudden be on TV.

    Oh yea, theres always the Tuesday night match-ups……

    Be careful what you wish for.

  71. AB

    November 30, 2011 at 5:47 am

    Oh the Tuesday night arguement, how original. Let's beat that dead horse again.

    It would be ONE Tuesday night game and a minimum of two nationally televised games. You give ASU fans 6 months notice and we'll have 20K+ in attendance and look good on, I'll repeat it again, a nationally televised game.

    5 Saturday games and ONE weekday game doesn't sound too bad to me.

  72. App03

    November 30, 2011 at 5:48 am

    I'll hook up my computer to my TV vs. $25 to watch it on a TV channel. Thanks for the effort ESPN.

  73. AppWyo

    November 30, 2011 at 5:54 am

    I hate it when the conversation gets so toxic on here. Just think what an impact App has had on college football when Michigan and now Ohio State go to an offense like Appalachian has at present. If you think App football is bad now the last three FCS National Champions did not even make the playoffs. I think that shows that things are just that good. Wyoming is FBS and I hardly ever see them play so why would Appalachian at the FBS level be any different? In reality we will see less of Appalachian at the FBS level than we do at the FCS level on Television.

  74. Appgrad11

    November 30, 2011 at 6:29 am

    Gwaitneer your comment that more people watched the App State Montana game than the the BCS bowls. was just wrong. The Rose Bowl Sugar Bowl and BCS national championship was in the top 10 tv ratings for sporting events in 2009 I'm sorry but no where when I looked this up said App State had more viewers. It's sad you have to fabricate stats in order to make your point.

  75. tim

    November 30, 2011 at 6:41 am

    AppG11, reading comprehension my brother!

    "App vs Montana game in 2009 had nearly 2MM viewers, which was more than any other non New Years, New Years Eve, or BCS bowl game that season."

    This means that the ASU v Montana game had more viewers than all the other bowls NOT played on NYE, New Years or BCS bowl games. Now I can't confirm Gwalt's statement but I do remember that the App v Griz game had better ratings than most, if not all, the (lower tier) bowl games before Christmas that year.

  76. Appgrad11

    November 30, 2011 at 6:45 am

    Oh and by the way it wasn't two million either so your wrong on all accounts. Maybe you should sit the next couple plays out

  77. asu7

    November 30, 2011 at 7:07 am

    Unfortunately my staff member that I would like to see fired will never fired. The OLine coach needs to go right now. The running backs coach we are stuck with because we love nepotism.

  78. Keith

    November 30, 2011 at 7:25 am

    Has anyone else watched the CUSA games on Thursday night? They hae played about every Thursday this year on CBS Sports. They are competing head to head with ESPN's Thursday night game. I watched a few of those games becasue I was more interested in who was playing. Obviously Houston since they have been undeafeated (I have watched them twice) and I checked out Southern Miss. CUSA has a nice tv package as I could watch a game on Thursday night and two or three on Saturday. They did not play on Tuesday or Wednesday this year (those were mostly MAC with a few SunBelt). I don't know if we will ever get an invite to CUSA, but they have a great chanionship game coming up #6 vs. #24 and a lot of games on tv if you get CBS Sports.

    I love the playoffs, but it appears we are going to move. If so we have got to get into CUSA. The SoCon is better than the SunBelt.

  79. AppWyo

    November 30, 2011 at 7:44 am

    TOXIC even.

  80. HOGAN

    November 30, 2011 at 8:12 am


    anyone that chooses to attend appalachian based on the football program is an idiot. i went to app for the education and enjoyed football as a result. but i want to see the program evolve and grow. not sit stagnant and die.

    in 10 years FCS will be D2, when (not if) the big conferences align themselves. we need to move up now to stay in the second tier. if you think FCS is irrelevant now, wait until FBS splits in half. lack of coverage will become an understatement.

  81. HOGAN

    November 30, 2011 at 8:13 am

    also, recruiting will suffer and quality of play will drop. fact. might as well drive down bamboo and cheer on the pioneers.


    November 30, 2011 at 8:43 am

    let's be honest. The FCS has also done a poor job of branding and promoting itself. There is no excuse for it and the FCS will die a slow and painful death.

  83. Beat Maine

    November 30, 2011 at 8:44 am

  84. sideline

    November 30, 2011 at 9:08 am

    Well then what happened to that argument that applications doubled after the Michigan game? I agree that if you go to a school because of it's football program you are and idiot. I also think that all the crying about TV exposure is a little silly. We are not going to be on TV much after the move either. I think people are just to concerned about what others think. I think many are just crushed when they meet someone who has never heard of us. Why else would the pro FBS crowd still be bitching and moaning when they have already won? We are going when we get an invite. One other question. FCS sucks and is JV and just all kinds of terrible things but if our invite is the Sunbelt then people would rather stay where we are. How does that work? FBS is better or just some FBS is better? We are not left behind in FCS if our alternative is Sunbelt? So is d2 better than Sunbelt? Will Michigan cancel our game if we go Sunbelt?

  85. AB

    November 30, 2011 at 9:43 am

    Actually Michigan has agreed to pay ASU $200K more if we are FBS by 2014 <—- in the contract.

  86. AB

    November 30, 2011 at 10:32 am

    Remind me how many playoff games are televised this year vs. how many were televised in 2007?

    I’ll help with 2007:
    First round – 1
    Quarterfinals – 2
    Semifinals – 2
    Championship – 1

    The FCS has added an additional round (4 games) and will not have half the nationally televised games it has received in the past.

  87. Keith

    November 30, 2011 at 10:32 am


    I think you present a thoughtful point of view most of the time and I'm going to try and answer your question

    I've always said I am against the SunBelt and always will be. I believe we have better football in the SoCon.

    IMO the best reason to stay FCS is the close proximity of the schools we play. I love that we play road games within driving distance (Furman, Wofford, Nooga, an October weekend in Charleston is awesome, Elon). The thing I have disliked is the competition level. However, that sure has evened itself out this year. I don't like playing home games against Savannah, A&T and Western. They are just not the quality of SoCon or fcs football, but they made up half the home schedule & and have the last few years.

    There is no reason to go FBS, just to say we are FBS, which is what the SunBelt is. IMO it is a more spread out SoCon. I look at CUSA as a step up and security against the future NCAA split.

    I know the SunBelt may provide that same security, but I don't think the short term give up is worth that security.

    I'm happy where we are now. I have no problem staying, but if openings in CUSA do arise (next week or five years from now) I think we have to be willing and able move forward.

  88. AB

    November 30, 2011 at 10:37 am

    He did say non-New Years Day bowls, but yes he’s still wrong. Only 8 bowls had lower viewership than ASU @ Montana which was just under a 2.

    It was however a better game than any bowl game I saw that year, biased of course.

  89. Appgrad11

    November 30, 2011 at 10:54 am

    It beat out 5 bowls and it was the only game on that night

  90. Gwaltineer

    November 30, 2011 at 11:19 am

    Westerngrad11…there were 1.87MM households and 4.357MM viewers. You either didn’t read my comments or do nor believe “nearly 2 million” would include 1.87 million. As mentioned, I did not claim we beat out a BCS game.

    We beat out 5 of the 15 pre Dec 31 bowl games. My mistake. I will search some websites and recheck the facts if you read the little comment right in front of you that you wish to address.

  91. sideline

    November 30, 2011 at 11:37 am

    Never in my life have I heard so many people who went to the wrong school. So unhappy with who you are. It is very, very sad.

  92. clayton

    November 30, 2011 at 1:49 pm

    Short on cash?

    Somebody will pay you to go to the Big 10 Championship

  93. FBS Now, Now, Now

    November 30, 2011 at 2:01 pm

    We need to go FBS as soon as we lose an FCS game, or win the NC. Sun Belt or C-USA doesn't matter so much as what we do with it. Might be a lot easier to win consistently in the Sun Belt. Better to rule in heck and all that stuff. ECU may leave C-USA anyway.

    This has been going on long enough for Mel Brooks to make a movie out of it. Move to FBS and let's get going now, now, now.

  94. FBS Now, Now, Now

    November 30, 2011 at 2:05 pm

    By the way, IF ESPN3 Blacks Out our game on ESPN3 like they have been doing without telling anyone I want to hear your comments then about it being OK to be on ESPN3 instead of television. They blacked out the Troy – WKU game last weekend without announcing where it would be blacked out. Why black it out in Charlotte? They won't tell you, but if you are depending on seeing it, hope you are OK if you cannot.

    Also, read that ONLY the National Championship game would be broadcast on television, not even the semi-finals.

  95. JD

    November 30, 2011 at 2:10 pm

    To all those who want to stay FCS…..

    If we do not move up, the likelihood of playing big 4 schools or ECU more than once every five years (at their place) is non-existent.

    I don't give a rats be-hind that the ACC is a BCS conference. Heck, the likelihood of UNC, NCSU, et al ever being competitive for a BCS national championship is statistically insignificant. They are not elite football programs and likely never will be.

    But, ASU has the football culture to be competitive with all of them after a few years of molding a good FBS program.

    Do it.

  96. sideline

    November 30, 2011 at 2:38 pm



  97. Dan

    November 30, 2011 at 3:57 pm

    UCLA gets to play a bowl game, even if they lose the Pac 12 title game and end up 6-7. Yay mediocrity!!


    November 30, 2011 at 4:12 pm


    Big Ten schools draw more fans than the SEC. Look at the numbers. Big Ten dominates the top three spots. Nice try.

    Top 5 Schools in Raw Numbers

    Michigan 111,825/game

    Ohio State 105,278/game

    Penn State 104,234/game

    Alabama 101,821/game

    Texas 100,654/game

  99. Gwaltineer

    November 30, 2011 at 4:29 pm

    just beat Maine. Then worry about how pretty we look to other poeple.

  100. AppWyo

    November 30, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    If you could guaranty that we would have a shot at the FBS championship game, then I have no problem moving up.

  101. MIDWEST

    November 30, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    Gwalt…agreed. Just win baby. Tie a gold ribbon on our tenure in the FCS and move on.

  102. carbine

    November 30, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    Keith, those weak-sister home games won't go away if we go to an FBS conference. Chances are we'll still schedule an FCS opponent from time to time, just like top FBS programs do when they schedule us now. And the same fans who complain about us playing Savannah State now will throw an identical tantrum when we continue to play Western Carolina (and God help us if we ever lose to them) or whoever. It's all relative.

    I do think there is an arguement to be made for remaining in whatever the second level of college football eventually turns out to be. If CUSA, Sun Belt, and the other non-BCS conferences create a new tier between FCS and BCS we should be part of that–provided of course, they have a playoff system.

  103. AppMan

    November 30, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    As far as the FCS Playoffs are concerned exclusive means "if you want the championship game you have to take the rest."

    BTW, when I attended ASU we played at the highest level of college football. Not this watered down version. I am amazed at how many of our fans just don't get the fact that other than hardcore FCS fans nobody gives a rat's behind about this level of football. Especially the TV networks.

  104. MIDWEST

    November 30, 2011 at 6:27 pm

    Got vision?

  105. clayton

    December 1, 2011 at 2:13 am

    Still plenty of good seats available from Ticketmaster, Middie. Doesn't really matter how many people come to your home games, fans don't usually like paying the markup for made for TV events.

  106. asu7

    December 1, 2011 at 5:11 am

    I think a lot of folks forget we played at the FBS level.

    My fear is that a new second tier is going to open and I even think it might already be happening amongst BCS and FBS. If we stay where we are we will be right there with D2. Really FCS should merge with D2.

    So in D1 you would have BCS and FBS. D2 would be everyone else. That makes the most sense to me.

  107. AppMan

    December 1, 2011 at 5:35 am

    Three levels of D-1 football already exist. Four when you lump low and non-scholarhip programs together.

    After the Big East folds the levels will become even more obvious.

  108. bcoach

    December 1, 2011 at 5:47 am

    I'll tell you what is really great. With this country and most of the world in VERY serious trouble we can escape to this world. We can escape to this world where our biggest problem is FBS VS FCS. We are just damn lucky to have any football at all. So count your blessings girls and boys. We are mostly ASU football lovers and I hope our discussions never end.

    Beat Maine!!!

  109. sideline

    December 1, 2011 at 6:05 am

    We already are where we will be. When the super conferences are formed and TV contracts negotiated there will be the Super conferences and then everyone else. The supers will break away from the NCAA so as not to have to share the big bucks and have the money to pay players. The NCAA will then take a second look at the rest of us and treat all a little more equally in order to survive. That will leave two divisions of football. Super conference and NCAA will be what is left. Most FCS programs will survive in the NCAA level. Some FCS along with some FBS will drop to a non scholorship div 2 that will probably be merged with div 3. Probably will take less than 8-10 years.

  110. AppWyo

    December 1, 2011 at 6:52 am

    Maybe the real problem is the NCAA.

  111. GeneGenetheDancingMa

    December 1, 2011 at 7:58 am

    A poor workman blames his problems on the tools he uses. The cold, hard fact is if the interest was there ESPN would televise the games.

  112. TheBottomLine

    December 1, 2011 at 8:16 am

    Game, Set & Match

  113. Gwaltineer

    December 1, 2011 at 9:45 am

    No issue with ESPN only broadcasting games that will produce profit to the bottom line. My complaint is why did they et exclusive broadcaster rights when they were not going to use them? Local stations could have bought the viewing right…and some apparently wanted to.

  114. carbine

    December 1, 2011 at 10:15 am

    Appman, it's not that people "don't get" the fact that FCS doesn't generate nearly the level of interest as FBS ("…nobody gives a rat's behind…" as you put it)–I think everyone understands that fact very well, including us pro-FCS folk. The difference with us is WE DON'T CARE what the rest of the world thinks about FCS, so the fact that it's not as popular simply isn't relevant to us. What puzzles us is why you guys think the comparison of fan interest between FBS and FCS is important at all. That's something that I freely admit I "don't get."

  115. ASU-LAW

    December 1, 2011 at 10:22 am


    Can I get a APP!!!!!

  116. carbine

    December 1, 2011 at 10:28 am

    asu7, I teach at a school that is currently D2, has been fairly successful at that level, and is apparently happy to remain where it is. The size of the school, the size of the endowments, the fund-raising capabilities, and the academic and social environment here are perfect for D2, as it is for many other D2 schools across the land.

    There is no way a big institution like ASU, or any of the other large, generally successfull (in football) FCS schools would fit in with D2, and I'm sure the NCAA knows that. I can't imagine any realignment that would lump a significant number of FCS schools in with D2 schools. For one thing the D2 community would scream bloody murder, as such a move would destroy the healthy balance that D2 strikes between academics and athletics. So while it does look like the NCAA will have to realign something, somewhere, in reaction to the emergence of the FBS mega-conferences, there is no way they will be able to move ASU or any other successful FCS school down a notch. If the BCS conferences create their own top tier division, I think it most likely that the remaining FBS conferences would form a new Division IAA, and that would include many current FCS teams such as ASU.

    And I wouldn't have a problem with that. But I would want the new D1AA to have a playoff system.

  117. carbine

    December 1, 2011 at 10:34 am

    Gwalt, they bought those rights because they figured they could make money selling access via ESPN3. That proves that ESPN believes there is enough fan interest to make it worthwhile to pay for the rights. But there is apparently not enough sponsor interest to make an over the air broadcast profitable. Selling a game to fans is one thing, selling commercial space on a game to sponsors is quite another.

  118. mockenburd

    December 1, 2011 at 10:50 am

    Carbine is on the money at 2:15! +1

  119. asu7

    December 1, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    See I really do not care about a playoff. Although if we have them I will be there. I want to play a better regular season schedule. I realize it will take a while for that to happen but it beats what we have now. We have outgrown the SOCON even if the scoreboard does not reflect such growth.

  120. clayton

    December 1, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    That's a good point. I've met college football fans. Don't feel the need to impress them.

  121. carbine

    December 1, 2011 at 3:40 pm

    I can understand that, asu7, though I take some issue with the idea that we have "outgrown" the SOCON. I guess I'm not really sure what exactly people mean by that. But I agree that it would be nice to see a more interesting schedule of opponents visiting the rock. Personally I think we can find that in FCS (James Madison, McNeese State, Montana, etc.) if we try.

  122. MIDWEST

    December 1, 2011 at 3:55 pm

    Black Bear Bearded Babes Belch Brilliantly Before Bed.

    Beat Black Bears.


  123. sideline

    December 1, 2011 at 4:31 pm

    I don't care about a playoff but I will be there.

    If you don't care why will you be there? Just hard to understand.

  124. AB

    December 1, 2011 at 4:36 pm

    He likely cares because ASU is playing.

    No matter where ASU ends up I think we'll all continue to attend the games.

  125. sideline

    December 2, 2011 at 7:55 am

    If you care about ASU how can you not care about the playoffs? We are in them. " well i don't care but I guess I have to go because we are in them" ? I just don't understand how you can be a fan and not care about the playoffs seeing as we are still in FCS. After we move I can see that you don't care but how now? This is what we play for. No argument, just very hard to understand.

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