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psst ...... PSST!!!!Hmmmm – “There are a couple of names being bantered about in Cullowhee that fit that description. The first is Mark Speir, the inside LB coach and recruiting coordinator at App State. After graduating from Clemson in 1990 Speir was an assistant coach at Western Carolina from 1991-96 and was with the Catamounts the last time they had back-to-back winning seasons (1993 and ’94).” So, if hired, he’d be forced to return to ….. /shrudderseww

SALT, GRAIN. Gone? – “Sources tell us that Appalachian State inside linebackers coach / recruiting cooridnator Mark Speir will be announced tomorrow as the new head coach at Western Carolina.”

65 Comments

  1. sixtoes9134

    December 21, 2011 at 7:20 am

    This is potentially a huge mess.

  2. sideline

    December 21, 2011 at 7:30 am

    Why is this a mess?

    Do you mean Speir could leave? That would be no loss. Coach Moore likes him and if Coach Moore likes him he can't be any good. He must be horrible if CM likes him as a coach. Remember we need to get rid of everybody and start over. Maybe CM will take the job and take everyone with him. That would be really great. If we could get rid of all them then maybe we could get the president of Home Depot to be our new coach.

  3. hapapp

    December 21, 2011 at 7:31 am

    Perhaps, but if folks wanted to see a massive overhaul in the coaching staff, you may get what you wished for.

    People were clamoring for Moore/Cobb to make changes. Now that that may actually happen people are acting like we're going to suspend the football program.

  4. sixtoes9134

    December 21, 2011 at 7:39 am

    I've heard Speir, Glenn and Blalock to WCU. Those would not be the guys I would have wanted to see go.

  5. appdreamin

    December 21, 2011 at 7:53 am

    If one of these guys–Speir, presumably–was offered a HC position, even at WCU, one could understand his interest. If other assistants are interested in leaving with him, it may well be telling about the morale, confidence and trust presently existing on Moore's staff.

  6. OnTheInside

    December 21, 2011 at 8:00 am

    Sixtoes is right about those 3 coaches leaving for WCU. You can also add in Trey Elder as a possibility. If any of you are wondering why these coaches would all leave you have to look no further than Chris Moore, and the fact that Jerry won't be HC much longer. Jerry will not coach ASU at teh FBS level so the assistants are getting out while they can.

    As for Chris Moore, the other coaches are tired of Jerry always taking Chris' side and backing him no matter what. Thats why Satterfield left and that why our offense had so many issues this year. Brad Glenn and Chris could never agree on plays, but in the end Jerry always went with Chris. Kind of like Chris making the decision to start Armanti against Richmond even though Scott said he wasn't ready. We all saw how that turned out.

  7. sideline

    December 21, 2011 at 8:12 am

    I have it on very good authority that the Little MO is being used as a scape goat and the real reason things are going to hell and the coaches are leaving is because of George Bush.

  8. Jon

    December 21, 2011 at 8:40 am

    Wow…This could get ugly quick

  9. appdreamin

    December 21, 2011 at 9:13 am

    Burying the head, sideline? The old, "If you can't see it, it can't hurt you" approach?

  10. StorminASU

    December 21, 2011 at 9:16 am

    Happapp, are you seriously that dense?

    People were clamoring for McClain, and potentially Chris Moore, to go, not the more productive members of the coaching staff(including the recruiting coordinator). That's ridiculous to say people are upset they're getting what they asked for when no one asked for this

  11. Dr. Gonzo

    December 21, 2011 at 10:04 am

    He's gone it's a done deal. Synacism aside, this is bad news. He will be taking a couple of good coaches ans potentially some recruits with him.

  12. Jeff

    December 21, 2011 at 10:14 am

    I would love to hear a statement from Moore or Cobb addressing the changes in this off season due to loss and addressing the issues that were so apparent all season.

  13. GO42

    December 21, 2011 at 10:20 am

    Turn out the lights this party is over!!!!

  14. Moster Appfan

    December 21, 2011 at 10:41 am

    Speir is a good guy. Met him a couple of times. Heck of a Recuiter. This is a loss for sure. I seriously think some of you guys have lost your minds a complete overhaul of a winning team? 6 out of the last 7 years Southern Conference Champs and we need to fire everyone. I hope these comments are some attempt at humor that I am not getting.

  15. StorminASU

    December 21, 2011 at 10:50 am

    I think we're all more concerned with the stubborn nature of the coaching staff and the two one-sided losses at the Rock the past two seasons, than we are with throwing around past conference championships in a weakened Socon. GSU is back with the rest of the gang and it showed. We easily could've (should've) lost two more games this year. The coaching staff's complacency is not humorous.

  16. GO42

    December 21, 2011 at 11:04 am

    There is no humor on any of this. Maybe it is time for JM and Cobb to start speaking on the "state of ASU football" No smoke blowing speech about great classes coming or what. Let's hear what is going on. We are either going to get better or slowly drift into mediocry and watch people move ahead of us.

  17. Dr. Gonzo

    December 21, 2011 at 11:12 am

    One things for sure, The ASU Athletic department has the least amount of transparency of any organization I've ever head of. Certain things about the FBS move ect are better kept secret for the good of the program, but they have to give us something. Donors are happier when they have a slight clue of what's going on.

  18. Jeff

    December 21, 2011 at 11:16 am

    Dr. Gonzo,

    I would love to be a little more in the loop with the athletic department. I give far more money to the Yosef Club than I do the College of Business but I am far better informed on what is going on with the COB than I am the Athletic department.

  19. ASUGoose

    December 21, 2011 at 11:18 am

    At this rate we are slowly drifting into mediocrity and teams are moving ahead of us.

    The boat is gaining new holes every year and the ship is going down.

  20. StorminASU

    December 21, 2011 at 11:21 am

    I have lost the belief that JM is going to right the ship. If he has made any moves whatsoever, we don't know about them. The same problems we have today were hidden and covered with wins since 2005. They started showing up prominently three years ago and the same problems have bitten us in the butt, at home, the past two seasons. I think Cobb needs to earn his paycheck by making some hard decisions and soon. He then needs to let Appnation in on the secret that is ASU football.

  21. asu7

    December 21, 2011 at 11:26 am

    Great lets lose all the good coaches we have and keep the horrible ones.

    Excellent news …

    CHRIS MOORE NEEDS TO BE THE ONE LEAVING not Speir.

    It is obvious JM and CM are getting their way and paving the way for CM to become oc or even hc. If either of those happen my yosef money will go else where.

  22. appdreamin

    December 21, 2011 at 11:35 am

    "I hope these comments are some attempt at humor that I am not getting."

    What you're not getting is that calls for replacing/reworking the staff involved McClain and C. Moore being replaced, a legitimate OC being hired, and little else.

    If J. Moore was willing to do those things I believe few would argue with his continuing as head coach (though at least one person posting on Appfan would). But Moore has shown no intent or desire to make critical staff changes and, like Stormin above, I believe few reasonable observers expect that he will. Now he will have to replace one to three or more assistants, but as usual that’s because coaches left him, not because he terminated them for poor performance. Worst of all, we’re left with the dregs of the 2011 coaching staff—with the exception of Dale Jones, it’s some of the better assistants that are rumored to be leaving.

  23. Jamey

    December 21, 2011 at 11:38 am

    I can tell you from my conversations with former players that Speir leaving will be a huge loss to this program. Forget his contributions on the coaching staff itself, the man is our recruiting coordinator. Who is going to take over those duties as we try and reload? From someone who has personally visited with a recruiting trip in the past 3 seasons, I can also tell you that Speir is one of the best advocates for these young men to hear speak when they come and tour the facilities. I almost fell asleep listening to Coach Moore ramble….but Speir and Wilcox made me exited about App State football.

    Put simply…young coaches are going to be tempted to go with Speir to escape the glass ceiling that exists at ASU also. Speir might actually be willing to call someone an Offensive Coordinator and giveup the illusion that he is the all-knowing ruler of football at WCU. I cannot say the same for the head of our current staff. GOOD LUCK to Coach Speir if he is, in fact, heading to Cullowhee. Thank you for you hard work and all that your have done for Appalachian State. And good luck to any other staff members who may follow. As a fan, I hate to see these gentlemen leave, but I cannot blame them for their decisions.

  24. Yogi86

    December 21, 2011 at 11:39 am

    Well if Speir has been looking around, that would explain our lack of recruiting effort. We have been asleep at the switch the last few years on the recruiting trail. Linemen in particular, but also, where are the running backs? Citadel is about to get the top running back in SC this year and he wants to be a mountaineer? Nobody has even called the kid?? What the hell are they doing in Kidd Brewer???

  25. StorminASU

    December 21, 2011 at 11:42 am

    I'm with Jamey, if he goes and many more follow, I see it as them having little other choice with the supposed mentality in ASU's coaching staff. It seems like Chris Moore is Kim Jong Un.

    Forgive the comparison to a new dictator, but it's too relevant to pass up on a good laugh.

  26. Jamey

    December 21, 2011 at 11:42 am

    Dear Appalachian fans,

    Do not concern yourselves with matters of athletics for I, Charlie Cobb, have it all under control. I shall answer to no one and I shall do as I please. Do not question me, for I can take your stadium cups whenever I please.

    Regards,

    C. Cobb

  27. StorminASU

    December 21, 2011 at 11:44 am

    What do you mean what are we doing yogi86, we've got to let Lil' Mo decide what running back to recruit, not our dedicated recruiting coordinator. I hear CM is looking at a great athlete though, with little to no prior experience at running back. Just the type of prospect a top tier program like App should get!

    Man the future looks bright for ASU with current leadership at the helm. The $*** is evidently hitting the fan and showing what has been boiling the past couple years.

  28. Jamey

    December 21, 2011 at 11:46 am

    Yogi86

    December 21, 2011 at 3:39 pm

    Well if Speir has been looking around, that would explain our lack of recruiting effort. We have been asleep at the switch the last few years on the recruiting trail. Linemen in particular, but also, where are the running backs? Citadel is about to get the top running back in SC this year and he wants to be a mountaineer? Nobody has even called the kid?? What the hell are they doing in Kidd Brewer???

    So we missed on Offensive Linemen and Running Banks? I wonder who coaches those two positions? Oh wait, the two clowns everyone wanted gone in the first place.

  29. Jamey

    December 21, 2011 at 11:48 am

    "It seems like Chris Moore is Kim Jong Un."

    Any chance we can get Jerry Moore in a leisure suit and Gucci shades like Kim Jong Il?

  30. StorminASU

    December 21, 2011 at 11:53 am

    Jamey, that would make too much sense and it would mess up Thursday night poker with the guys. Come on now. Make realistic suggestions like "everyone remembering 2007," "what happened at Michigan again," "forget the playoffs and the CAA teams," embrace the Moore dynasty at ASU football…"

    Suggestions like this will take you places.

  31. Jamey

    December 21, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    The reality is that WCU realizes that they messed up when they did not extend an interview to Elliott a few years back, and they want to bring in a guy with SOCON experience. Speir has proven his worth as a coach and in the recruiting trenches. He is a great fit at WCU and every ASU fan should be proud that our coaching staff is in such high demand. I think he has an opportunity to bring that program back to some level of success if he is given the backing of the university itself.

    Meanwhile, in Boone, we are slowly getting left behind as other programs move forward. Our focus has become attendance records and big stadium facilities. We forgot that what drives a program is what happens on the field and what happes in the locker room. We dominated in an old field house with smelly locker rooms and cramped meeting rooms. We thrived on a stadium packed so tight that you could not sit down. Now we have upgraded our stadium, but we have not upgraded the program itself. We are stuck in a time-warp of coaching mentalities. Assistant coaches have no incentive to stay because there is seemingly no chance to move up in the program. You get a title when you arrive and you keep it until you leave. Your say in the way things are run will be kept to a minimum, and you might lose players if they have the audacity to question your underqualified colleagues.

  32. herbstreitsucks

    December 21, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    I think I would wait on an offer from a school that had a little more resources to put behind my program and that doesn't have the possibility of jumping off the football ship anytime soon.

    Also, I've said it once and I'll say it again. When Satterfield left, we lost our program. Success that we've had after he left was just residual. When Elliot left, it just put the nail in the coffin. When Mark goes we're lowering the coffin in.

  33. nomadb

    December 21, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    Jamey….Serious question because I want to understand this point of view….who is leaving us behind and in what way? Are you inferring that Western is somehow moving ahead of us by hiring one of our assistants? GSU is on the rise for sure, but that is more a return to former status than a move up and I don't really see them leaving us behind in any way shape or form. Furman is Furman…..What am I missing?

  34. appdreamin

    December 21, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    In addition to GaSo, think outside the SoCon.

  35. clayton

    December 21, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    If we lose Speir to Western, that's just a smart move by them.

    If he brings a couple of position coaches and promotes them to coordinator, that's just a smart move by him.

    If Western takes our coaches and beats us, all hell will break loose.

  36. appdreamin

    December 21, 2011 at 12:37 pm

    Yes, and then we might act. Might. But by then the proverbial horse will be out of the barn, so why close the door?

  37. John

    December 21, 2011 at 12:40 pm

  38. nomadb

    December 21, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    GaSo leaving us behind in any manner. They had a mediocre 2010 season with a good playoff run. They had a good 2011 season and only one the SoCon because we lost to Furman and Citadel couldn't kick field goals. GaSo is GaSo….they're not even back to where they were in their heyday. If by "left behind" people mean moving up to FBS….well, it will happen for us sooner than them if that's how you want to measure it.

    Outside the SoCon, who are we talking about? I assume ODU is top of the list. ODU is off to a great start but they lack history and haven't been through a slump yet in order to gauge how the real crowd support is….after all, we know it's easy to get on the bandwagon when things are fresh and the team is winning. They may actually have some aspects to their location that make them more tempting for a conference invite to FBS if that is, what is meant by "left behind". There is nothing that can be done by ASU about location and television markets so no need to waste time crying over that.

    Who else do we have leaving us behind while we finish with a winning season, playoff bid and top three conference finish?

    We have some issues and we had a down year for our standards, no doubt. Maybe I'm ignorant or maybe I'm more even keeled than some or maybe I'm a realist, but I don't think this ship is sinking…..we just need to fix the bilge pump

  39. Jamey

    December 21, 2011 at 12:50 pm

    nomadb – I appreciate the question about my previous post. I think appdreamin got where I was heading in my belief that programs throughout FCS are stepping up their game. Teams are building from within and showing marked improvement in their ability to recruit and create on the field. Our job as an elite program in FCS is to continue to lead the way in this process. I believe we have allowed ourselves to fall victim to a few vices that plagued successful programs all through sports: Complacency and Nepotism

    We are not leading the way in any way in FCS besides the fact that our stadium is getting bigger. The reality is that big stadium is going to be pretty damn empty if we do not get some things figured out and continue to win football games. I think we need to re-commit to bringing in the best STAFF-the best RECRUITS-the best TALENT-the best CHARACTER. We have to have some fresh blood in this staff to bring creativity. Change the geography, change the culture. You can have passion and fire on a team, while maintaining discipline. We have lost the ability to find people who possess both.

  40. A.Freeman

    December 21, 2011 at 12:55 pm

    This hurts. But lets make the most of it!!

  41. yosef82

    December 21, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    nomadb

    You can't see what is going on becasue you have Jerry Moore on your face.

    Pull you head out and maybe you can see what everyone else is talking about.

    TAKE OFF THE HOMER GLASSES MAN. Does it actually smell good in there?

    NO MOORE!

  42. nomadb

    December 21, 2011 at 1:27 pm

    man….quit it with that lame joke, yosef82. it wasn't funny the first 12 times you typed it.

    i look at facts. the facts point to a somewhat down year by our standards and included in that are some pretty poor performances by our o line and running game with the obvious play calling problem.

    Another fact is that you are too ignorant to realize that no matter how hard your old, wrinkly ass cries about it, Jerry Moore isn't going to be fired this year….or next year. It's just not justifiable if you want to judge the man by records and facts. you can dig as far as you want and you will not find one post where i put the man on a pedestal. I judge our program and it's leaders by our successes and failures and by any measure, we are more successful than most…..and like any program we have some short comings.

    If you will notice by my above couple of posts, i am willing to engage in conversation about what is right and wrong with our program, but you are not interested in that. you are a common internet troll. do us all a favor and crawl back in the whole you emerged from earlier this year.

  43. nomadb

    December 21, 2011 at 1:28 pm

    *hole

  44. sideline

    December 21, 2011 at 1:41 pm

    appdreamin

    December 21, 2011 at 1:13 pm

    Burying the head, sideline? The old, “If you can’t see it, it can’t hurt you” approach?

    I don't get it. help me out.

  45. yosef82

    December 21, 2011 at 1:56 pm

    nomadb

    You are such a homer that you are blind. Because a damn blind mule could see all of this coming.

    Now you are either stupid, (which I do not think that you are because you are a ASU fan). Or your judgment has been clouded by homerism and the fact that you have Jerry Moore on your face.

    The only thing that really gets me going is when people ignore the facts and make judgments based on just emotion , (ie homerism) and not fact. You have argued from the start that everything is just wonderful in "Jerry World" and would not hear out anyone's position to the contrary. Now that the "chickens are coming home to roost" so to speak you act like you are shocked. Therefore, you are either stupid or you are infected with the homer disease. I think it is the latter.

    Don't worry…..a little reality will cure that homeritus. You will be fine just get Jerry off of your face. That will be a good start. You said that after the a$$ whipping at VT, the embarrassment at Wofford and chaos at Furman that it was not time to panic. So when will it be time?

    By the way…wear nicer shoes. Moore has an image to uphold!

    No Moore!

  46. bcoach

    December 21, 2011 at 2:13 pm

    Just a cranky old man

  47. bcoach

    December 21, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    Press confrence tomorrow at 11:00. Speir is gone for sure along with two more assistants.

  48. sideline

    December 21, 2011 at 2:41 pm

    I got the same call. 3 gone at 11:00

  49. The rock

    December 21, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    Speir leaving hurts. He was the last coach who lit a fire under our players. He would get players ready for games much like Elliott. The recruiting aspect is even bigger.

    However, if he takes brad Glenn with him, that eases the pain. (we will call it even if he takes McClain too).

    Good news is little Jerry is probably gone. This is a very pivotal season for us. It is interesting to see how it will unfold, and what direction we are going.

  50. WacoKid

    December 21, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    So now we'll have only 1 assistant (Dale Jones)from the glory days of 05-07, and he is now in a much different position than those days. Can we please stop talking about what our staff has accomplished in the past and judge them purely on what they can do now? Sadly that seems to be beating bad and average teams while getting run over by most good to great teams. Maybe we just need to get Jerry to retire and let some new blood come in and start fresh. It's going to be really hard for him to find quality coaches to come into this situation. If you don't believe it just look at the last two guys we brought in…

  51. appfantoo

    December 21, 2011 at 6:22 pm

    The only thing that hurts worse than losing Coach Speir is knowing we have fans like yosef82.

  52. AppMan

    December 21, 2011 at 6:54 pm

    "The only thing that hurts worse than losing Coach Speir is knowing we have fans like yosef82."

    Why? Can't you face the cold, hard facts?

  53. The rock

    December 21, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    What's even worse is the HC at FIU is probably leaving putting satterfield as a front runner. If Jerry retires in a year or two, what's the chances of him leaving to coach at app? We better put a sweet offer on the table ASAP if we have any interest of Scott coming back ever.

  54. appfantoo

    December 21, 2011 at 7:15 pm

    Name one thing yosef82 has said that is a verifiable fact.

  55. Bear

    December 22, 2011 at 2:55 am

    Someone please contact the Cantamounts see what they would charge to take midwest and yosef82. While we're cleaning the house we might as well take out the trash.

  56. nomadb

    December 22, 2011 at 3:19 am

    i think you can forget about Satterfield or Elliot coming back. not sure why people think that's going to happen….it's not

  57. Gwaltineer

    December 22, 2011 at 3:36 am

    I do not think Western was Speir's away from being a 4 conference win team.

    I am sure they will get a kid here and there that we wanted, but I do not think App will lose many kids to Western. There is still some jewlrey, a truck load of banners, facilities and 25,000 people a week who actaully care to flash in front of them.

    With the exceptoin of maybe Elliot and Satterfield, there have been few people to leave that we should not have been able to find more motivated and tallented replacements for. My concern is our ability to hire someone.

  58. Zen

    December 22, 2011 at 4:11 am

    My concern is our ability to hire someone.

    Very true Gwalt. The recent track record isn't encouraging. There are also the issues of coach Moore's age, his future plans and the expected move to FBS. Those variables create a situation that isn't ideal for recruiting the best available candidates. Not that it can't be done, but it makes things more difficult.

  59. bcoach

    December 22, 2011 at 6:06 am

    Again, we have been spending money on facilities and not on people. In my opinion that has been a bad move. This leaves us in a position now where we may have to go out and get not one but maybe 3-4 guys with no money. You can cover up one weak hire but try that with four. Now add in the fact that you will NEVER get a head coach for what JM is making.

    I have looked at the numbers in that study and I would NEVER accept them in my company. I would kick them back and ask for them to get me something real.

  60. appthunder90

    December 22, 2011 at 6:23 am

    bcoach

    now that we have some data to work with.. can you verify that last statement? i didnt pick through them with a fine tooth comb, but why wouldnt you accept them?

  61. appthunder90

    December 22, 2011 at 6:24 am

    what makes you say that is i guess what im getting at

  62. ASUGoose

    December 22, 2011 at 6:42 am

    No way Elliot or Satterfield come back unless named O coordinator and head coach in waiting. If with that I still don't think Elliot would come back but I think Satterfield would.

  63. appdreamin

    December 22, 2011 at 7:25 am

    "Can we please stop talking about what our staff has accomplished in the past and judge them purely on what they can do now? Sadly that seems to be beating bad and average teams while getting run over by most good to great teams."

    Agreed, Waco–some of us are trying to do just that. Others are perfectly happy to bask in memories of past successes (as well as the won-lost record of even this year) and ignore the overall slide the program has exhibited the past couple of seasons.

  64. Clyde

    December 22, 2011 at 10:42 am

    We need a statement hire on offense. Someone capable of assuming the head coaching role in a year or two. Give them the title Assistant Head Coach and OC and let them have at it.

  65. loveithere

    December 22, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    Agree now way Elliot comes back. Even to be HC I would bet he would be taking a pay cut from what he is making at South Carolina. Plus I think he is from the Columbia area so he is pretty close to home. Satterield may be a possibility to come back but probably only when we are looking for a Head Coach. Why would he want to leave where he is at just for the OC title? He already has that there

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