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Grand Realignment continues without App State (for now)

APPFAN!!! SMASH!!!!It’s official. A one-time FCSer is getting its second FBS invite in roughly three years.

So grows the Sun Belt.

Texas State University has accepted an invitation to join the Sun Belt Conference starting in the 2013-14 season, university president Denise Trauth and conference commissioner Karl Benson announced on Wednesday.

As expected, Texas State will play its first season as a Football Bowl Subdivision team in the Western Athletic Conference this fall.

This is just one of many such announcements expected by the Sun Belt and Conference USA, who appear to be in some type of sudden bidding war for new members.

Among those names being thrown around for CUSA is a … /deep sigh … yet-to-play-a-game-much-less-field-a-team program.

UNC Charlotte, come on down!

A source with knowledge of the football-driven situation confirmed to the Observer on Tuesday afternoon that the 49ers will return to the league they played in from 1995-2005. The announcement could come as soon as Friday, according to a report on, which first reported Tuesday that the 49ers will be joined by five other schools in an expanded CUSA – Louisiana Tech, North Texas, Florida International, Texas-San Antonio and Old Dominion.

49ers athletics director Judy Rose neither confirmed nor denied the move on Tuesday, but said that Conference USA officials met with Charlotte officials earlier in the day. That was the second time in recent weeks the two had met.

Read more here:

Among all the rumoring, two words have been absent. “App” and “State.”

But wait. It gets even more depressing.

Just before App State wrote year 1 of Histor3, Old Dominion decided it wanted to return to football after a decades-long absence. The first team was fielded as an FCS independent in 2009. Last season the program joined the 73-team Colonial Athletic Association.

Apparently it won’t be there long.

Sources confirmed that a report that had ODU among six schools joining Conference USA wasn’t entirely accurate.

Old Dominion, a member of the Colonial Athletic Association since 1991, is on the table. But a source said that the Monarchs were granted an extension in order to allow the school’s leadership, including the Board of Visitors, to weigh a possible conference jump.

Not a done deal, but the butterflies are on the CUSA radar.

While all these rumored rumors rumor around sans any Boone-linked gossip, the Stink is getting busy to make its own pitch to the penthouse.

Earlier in the week, school president Dr. Brooks Keel announced Georgia Southern will play football at the highest collegiate level. The Eagles currently play in the Football Championship Subdivision, whose members play with a maximum of 63 scholarships. FBS members play with a maximum of 85 scholarships.

No timetable has been given for the move.

“It could be tomorrow, or it could be down the line, but we’re confident we can get in a position where we can be attractive to a conference,” Monken said.

So you have two multiple title programs with deep competitive history looking to make like the Jeffersons, while comparative newborns are given quick access to the express elevator.

Could be worse, we guess. Stink could be getting an invite before App State. But that would never happen ……. would it?


  1. (sigh)

    May 2, 2012 at 8:29 am

    Long shot, but still hoping App gets invite from CUSA. Seeing as upstart UNCC is now there – it might make for good an in state rivalry along with ECU… And we would win those games…

    (have patience and be positive)

  2. Dan

    May 2, 2012 at 8:29 am

    Who cares? The tone of the article implies that a move up is merit based. It's all about TV market and we don't have one.

    Case closed.

    It will be interesting to see the deficits… er, budgets of these schools after a few years of "playing with the big boys". Also, I assume they will all be viewed as new Ivy League members, because a successful football program = better academic reputation.

  3. (sigh)

    May 2, 2012 at 8:31 am

    I and most of the people that read this blog do. It's time to move up. End of discussion.

  4. 49ers

    May 2, 2012 at 8:34 am

    great day to be a 49er

  5. (sigh)

    May 2, 2012 at 8:35 am

    Congrats. Looking forward to meeting you on the football field.


    May 2, 2012 at 8:46 am

    If Georgia Southern gets an invite and we don't, Cobb and Peacock should be fired on the spot.

  7. (sigh)

    May 2, 2012 at 8:47 am

    MIDWEST – get back in your cage.

  8. Dr. Gonzo

    May 2, 2012 at 8:49 am

    Great day to be a 49er? Why? You're being used by a conference to promote its current members in a nearby big city. It has absolutely nothing to do with what you've done or what you are. You people are blinded by arrogance and are so ignorant, you can't see the forest from the trees.

    Again, it is a good thing for you guys to get this invite, but don't treat it like some sort of crowning achievement or an indication of anything at all aside from location and happenstance.

    On a related note, we are primed for a SunBelt membership. It makes absolutely perfect sense now that GaSo is heading that way. If Cobb F***s this up, he needs to be removed. GaSo has worse facilities, less fans and a similarly small geographic media market. We are running out of excuses if they get an invite before we do. If this doesn't get done, the only reason will be Cobb's incompetence. The time is now people.


    May 2, 2012 at 8:52 am

    A little birdie just told me there is about to be a meeting of the App State minds…and not the two that f-ed up this situation.

  10. 49ers

    May 2, 2012 at 8:53 am

    Simple solution just call up C-USA and tell them about your michigan win in 2007 and demand an invite


    May 2, 2012 at 8:54 am

    So, I now hear that Cobb was on a cruise when a lot the deals were being finalized. Nice. Way to stay engaged until the very end. Like I said, we should have brought in a closer. Pathetic.

  12. (sigh)

    May 2, 2012 at 8:56 am

    49er, read AppInExile's recent post to the other thread that you are trolling. Thank you.

  13. appland

    May 2, 2012 at 8:58 am


    I'm pretty sure they know about that win, but our ability on the field has little to do with whether or not they invite us into their conference. I'm not sure it would help, but I appreciate the suggestion and I'm glad you support us moving up to the FBS.

  14. Keith

    May 2, 2012 at 9:04 am

    The depressing part of all of this is the East Coast Conference I was hoping would develop is not going too. Regardless of TV market, it makes CUSA look weak to take teams that have never played a down or have just started. However, they have to do what is best for the survival of their league. I'm disapointed that doesn't include ASU.

  15. Ethan Hawk

    May 2, 2012 at 9:06 am

    It's Charlotte who should be jealous of us. We get to play powerhouse programs like elon Samford and western Carolina. We don't have to worry about recruiting because we can just take their leftovers because we won't need top recruits to be competitive in fcs. Charlotte should be envious of our tv contract with PBS. It's not exactly HD but every once in while they actually point the camera towards the field. Last but not least is our playoffs. Who wants to go to some super fun bowl game that is nationally televised when we can play the real "national championship" (hehe) on a recreation soccer field/fair grounds in Texas. Enjoy fbs charlotte and we will enjoy fcs. Long live the socon

  16. 49ers

    May 2, 2012 at 9:18 am

    On a serious note I would love to have ASU as a conference mate it would help a lot with travel cost and make for great cross state rivalries

  17. 49ers

    May 2, 2012 at 9:22 am

    But all I am going by is I remember during the Socon and big south turn down all the ASU fans said they didn't want to be in the same conference as Charlotte and it wp

  18. hapapp

    May 2, 2012 at 9:28 am

    Once again, I don't think we ease our disappointment by lashing out at UNCC. The more we vent our frustrations at them the more desperate we seem and the more satisfaction they gain. We can belittle the reasons why they are headed to CUSA but it doesn't change the facts. Hubris, karma, whatever you want to call it…some of this blow back we deserve.

  19. Detective John McCla

    May 2, 2012 at 9:30 am

    I feel for you 49er. Maybe one day when you playing under the lights of bank of America stadium on.a nationally televised Thursday night game you will get over the fact you could be playing at noon on a Saturday in front of 5000 fans in a game with playoff implications against Furman

  20. ASU-LAW

    May 2, 2012 at 9:31 am

    This is frustrating people… we CRUSH all other FCS schools in average attendance as the #1 in average attendance.

    And when it comes to FBS attendance and comparing ASU to FBS schools check it out. We are pretty damn competitive.

    Check out the conference attendance records and compare ASU to Sunbelt and C-USA… IT IS HIGHER!

  21. 49ers

    May 2, 2012 at 9:32 am

    I m sorry App folk. I won't tease you again.

  22. sideline observer

    May 2, 2012 at 9:44 am

    all about TV markets…and Boone has basically none. Charlotte's…..but why take App when you can get UNC-C…which is…….in Charlotte..

  23. (sigh)

    May 2, 2012 at 9:52 am

    I preferred college football to the NFL because it wasn't about the money. I was stubborn overlooking happenings in other conferences and TV deals. I realize now that I was dillusional and had blinders on. It's all about how much revenue the conference can bring in and not about the competition. Truly sad.

  24. appthunder90

    May 2, 2012 at 9:58 am

    this has turned into an absolute sillyfest.

    it looks like you all can use a mindless distraction.

    here is a humorous one:


    May 2, 2012 at 10:19 am

    Hawk is correct. Why would we want to join an FBS conference when we can play for the Old Mountain Jug?

    Debacle of epic proportion. There will be hell to pay. I'm hearing the phones are ringing off the hook at App today. Alumni are mad as hell.

  26. ASUGoose

    May 2, 2012 at 10:25 am

    If Ga So gets an invite and joins the Sunbelt and we are still in FCS heads will roll in Boone.

    There is no excuse whatsoever for our administration and athletic department if we are still in FCS and Ga So is in FBS. You would have to fire everyone but the coaching staff.

  27. appthunder90

    May 2, 2012 at 10:26 am

    "heads will roll in Boone."

    I don't think so.

  28. South Kak

    May 2, 2012 at 10:35 am

    Now with Charlotte now joining C-USA that will be 6 FBS schools in North Carolina. Could NC handle another possible FBS program in App State? Maybe FBS for App State is not what is best for the state.


    May 2, 2012 at 10:36 am

    I still think there is a conspiracy to keep the bar low. Jerry Moore was at the heart of it, in my opinion. Weak non-conf schedule (stacking the deck to make the playoffs), winning season, everyone is happy, coaches and AD keep their jobs. Bunch of hillbillies with no vision for greatness.

    Be all that you can be…except if you're at App State. Total joke!

  30. appthunder90

    May 2, 2012 at 10:38 am

    you are making yourself look like a fool. speak with your wallet and not your mouth. 'donate' 10 million dollars so we can move to the acc or sec or whereever it is you think we belong, midwest

  31. Lewis

    May 2, 2012 at 10:41 am

    This makes me wonder when Peacock is going to resign:

  32. HOGAN

    May 2, 2012 at 10:46 am

    Lewis is an idiot.


    May 2, 2012 at 10:46 am

    It was not totally a money issue. We have as much alumni support as some of the others that are moving. Trust me, my wallet will be closed until I have confidence in our leadership.

    It's time for change…and a REAL vision for App State.

  34. asumike83

    May 2, 2012 at 10:46 am

    As far as UNCC goes, good for them. They were in CUSA previously and are located in a big market. It fits and I had long since given up on App getting an invite to join that conference without proving ourselves at the FBS level. Nothing we could have done to prevent that.

    However, if GSU leaves us behind then our leadership has some serious explaining to do. Regardless of how some of our fans feel about the Sun Belt, we will struggle to stay relevant if we remain in the SoCon long term. One start-up just went FBS in our back yard and another just went FBS in the heart of our Georgia recruiting pipeline.

    I respect the hell out of GA Southern but they have less money, lower attendance, equally poor men's basketball and are a fellow small market SoCon member that announced their FBS intentions just weeks ago. If they make the move and leave us behind, all of our excuses will be used up. A long term stay in the SoCon without GSU is the worst thing that could happen for us.

  35. 49ers

    May 2, 2012 at 10:57 am

    Honestly I believe it is only a matter of time until you are added to the SB

  36. u mad?

    May 2, 2012 at 11:01 am


    Keep going Dr Gonzo. Your hate makes us stronger.

    But you are right about us not treating this invite as a crowning achievement. It isn't. All its really allowed us to do is leap from our little brother without ever playing a down of football. But what do we know? Forest through the trees and all.

  37. ASUGoose

    May 2, 2012 at 11:10 am

    +1 asumike

  38. 3-Star

    May 2, 2012 at 11:17 am

    South Kak, here is some data for your argument:

    States that have more FBS schools than NC's 5:





    Alabama & Michigan both have 5 as well.

    I believe there is room for two more in NC given our projected growth in population in the next 25 years (2x 2011pop).

  39. Ridiculous

    May 2, 2012 at 11:23 am

    To "u mad?"

    Really representing your school well with the "nah nah nah nah nah" type of comments. I wonder how many football games you will actually attend for UNCC?

  40. Ridiculous

    May 2, 2012 at 11:25 am

    Alumni that read this blog should be calling the school and voicing themselves. Let's get serious.

  41. Ridiculous

    May 2, 2012 at 11:35 am

    AppFan, I know we don't have a say in what you post, but your blog does generate excitement, enthusiasm for App State football. I suspect the athletic department follows this blog as well. Please write a dedicated post about contacting the school, with phone numbers, email addresses, mailing addresses, etc to make our voices heard – encouraging more action on a move to the FBS. The train is starting to move and we will miss it if we don't act now. With your help, we can make our voices heard.

  42. u mad?

    May 2, 2012 at 11:36 am

    to "ridiculous"

    Sorry to offend your delicate sensibilities. Hopefully our Chancellor doesn't find out about my blog posts and come hunting to reclaim my degrees.

    I just couldn't pass up the opportunity to rub dr gonzo/appholes nose it this a little bit. I've seen him huff and puff for a long time now about the hopelessness that is Charlotte 49er football, so to see him put on a brave face and confront his harsh new reality is something i can't help but wallow in.

  43. NK

    May 2, 2012 at 11:42 am

    South Cak: Why exactly should we care about what's best for North Carolina? This issue is clearly look out for No. 1.

  44. South Kak

    May 2, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    What wrong with just staying in FCS? If is not broke, don't fix it. Great attendance and dominant in FCS ranks. Maybe where App State is right now is what is best for them?


    May 2, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    I can't wait until Gardner Webb, Presbyterian, and UNC Pembroke join the SoCon. Boy, that will really put us on the map.

    Bush League leaders all the way. Please call the school to complain about this horrific leadership. Can't pour piss out of a boot.

  46. yosef82

    May 2, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    u mad?

    May 2, 2012 at 3:36 pm

    to “ridiculous”

    Sorry to offend your delicate sensibilities. Hopefully our Chancellor doesn’t find out about my blog posts and come hunting to reclaim my degrees

    Degree?………Degree! I was in Charlotte last week on business and I stopped at an intersection to let a Hooker cross the street. While I was stopped an a$$ hole stuck a masters degree under my windshield wiper from UNCC.

    Apparently all you need is a pulse to graduate from Charlotte Commodity College. I should know…… my son graduated from there. He has the work ethic of a banana slug!

    Pal your institution has more issues than football. Get a life! Grow up!

  47. u mad?

    May 2, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    Grow up says the man who just regaled us with tales of hookers and assholes. A stern, yet ironic lesson from a man who not only failed as a father, but is quite ok admitting such.

    Although you are correct. Football is the least of our worries today. You see, we just strolled right in and leaped leaped over App St on the football relevance ladder. All without ever snapping a football. This football thing is pretty easy so far. Whats the deal with your school?

    But I wouldn't worry to much yosef. You guys totally own the college football kiddie table.

  48. asu7

    May 2, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    This just makes me sick.

    For all those who wanted to stay in the FCS and succon it looks like you are going to get your wish. You hereby revoke your own rights to complain about the schedule. You no longer will be able to complain when Presby and your name here private college gets in the succon. This will be what our schedule will look like for the next 20 years.

    Furman – Highlight of the year



    Davidson – after succon forces them to pony up





    Sprinkle in a Mars Hill, Savannah State, or A&T each year.

    Count me as not excited. I seriously hope that our Admins have not been sitting on their hands waiting on something to happen. If GaSo goes before us then everyone needs to go home except for coaching staff and David Jackson.

    Oh and btw the playoffs are coming to the BCS.


    May 2, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    No, at least one of them was relaxing by the pool on a cruise ship while our spot was handed over to the undeserving.

    We cannot stand for this BS. We work too hard for the money we earn and donate to let these clowns ruin our future. Call them.

  50. NK

    May 2, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    You're right. We should just know our role. A lot of feelings I've had on the issue have come true. That's not the case for those who have chosen to bury their heads in the sand. Given the track records, I'll stick to what I feel, and that's that ASU wI'll see a major decline if we sit around with our thumbs up our butts.

  51. Ridiculous

    May 2, 2012 at 1:14 pm

    To "u mad?"

    I see the completely unearned appointment on a silver platter to FBS also comes with a side of misguided self-righteousness. Enjoy the 0-12 record next season. Would love to see an App UNCC match-up. You would mind your tongue after the beating the 49ers would take. Sheep.


    May 2, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    Remember what I said:

    We can sit back and let things happen to us or we can choose to control our own destiny.

    It's time to take action! We are App f-ing State and we are better than this garbage this administration is giving us.

  53. Riggs134

    May 2, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    Does anyone have insight into how much ASU was even under consideration by C-USA? Is Charlie Cobb actively working on the move to the BCS? If he is not, is anyone? Did C-USA officials ever visit or talk to Dr. Peacock or Charlie Cobb?

    C-USA would be much better for us than the Sunbelt. To be in the same conference as ECU and UNCC would be good for everyone. Less travel and some good rivalries would ensure better attendance at our away games, as well as better for the economy in Boone for home games. I, for one, hope that we have not missed an opportunity here because someone is asleep at the wheel in Boone. If we had a strong effort and presented our case, but still did not get the bid, that's a different story.


  54. 49ers

    May 2, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    according to espn 730am charlotte there is still talks of ASU joining C-USA

  55. Charlottefan

    May 2, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    Putting down your own son to put down the academics of UNC Charlotte. I hope that football does not bring this sort of fan to our University.


    May 2, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    Part of the problem is lack of communication. Why should we need to know anything that is going on at the University of Charlie Peacock? It's none of our business.

    I hope they blow the lid off with a big surprise 49ers, but I don't see it happening at this point. The ship has sailed.

  57. 49ers

    May 2, 2012 at 1:41 pm

    I really wouldn't be so fast to say the ship has sailed just a week ago no one expected us to even be considered by C-USA


    May 2, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    Just spoke with a JMU alum. He says their fan base is also furious that ODU got the nod and not them. App, JMU, and Delaware should try to stick together. They are a much better fit than these NuCo JuCo schools (Charlotte, GA Stage, FIU)

  59. Riggs134

    May 2, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    The real kicker, is the fact that ASU would be competitive in C-USA. Have you looked at the records of most of the schools they just added? Three of them are brand new to football. Old Dominion is the only one of the that is off to a strong start. A couple of the other programs have losing records for the last couple of years.

    From competitiveness to atmosphere (strong attendance at our home games), ASU would make C-USA stronger. You can't say that about a few of the programs they just added. C-USA is weaker today than yesterday. Ask someone from ECU if they are excited about traveling to North Texas or UTSA.


    May 2, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    ECU obviously wants this as it solidifies their place at the top. If App were in, they'd have some competition.

    What sucks is all those national championships, conference titles, and Michigan win mean nothing…absolutely nothing…because these fools couldn't get the deal done.

  61. Ridiculous

    May 2, 2012 at 1:57 pm

    To "49ers"

    I hope the reports on the radio are more than rumor. Would love a yearly game. Would be good for economies, cheap, school spirit, etc. Might recruiting less than fun for both coaching staffs, haha.

    To "charlottefan"

    Completely agree with your comment. His point was shameful and unfitting of people most App fans associate themselves with. Every university with a football program unfortunately has a few bad apple fans. You should go to an ECU game sometime. Terrible fan experience and no class. I agree and hope you don't see a lot of the same for your football program.

  62. bcoach

    May 2, 2012 at 1:58 pm


    Apparently all you need is a pulse to graduate from Charlotte Commodity College. I should know…… my son graduated from there. He has the work ethic of a banana slug!


    Pal your institution has more issues than football. Get a life! Grow up!



    To his son. We feel for you man, we really do.

  63. 49ers

    May 2, 2012 at 2:01 pm


    To be perfectly honest I believe there is more conference shuffling going on and it wouldn't surprise me at all if ODU turns down the invite and ASU gets an invite to c-usa

  64. bcoach

    May 2, 2012 at 2:01 pm


    It proves the point ODU TV market VS JMU TV market.

  65. 49ers

    May 2, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    because from everything I have heard ODU needed sometime to think about it

  66. 49ers

    May 2, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    only problem however is the other C-USA teams will complain about adding in another north carolina team

  67. bcoach

    May 2, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    With that said I would love to be in a conference with JMU

  68. Appnaysayer

    May 2, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    Travel problems (Bamboo International Airport), no media outlet, comparatively small alumni base, limited $$$$ when it comes to donations–this is no mystery to me.

    I do find it a bit amusing that all those who thought we had a shot at the Big East and who guaranteed that C-USA was a done deal would now be absolutely ecstatic if we somehow got invited to the Sun Belt. "Well, I was going to go to the prom with the quarterback, then the student body president, but now I'd settle for a guy from the dork table." And worse, "my little sister and her friend already have dates." Oh Mommy, it's just not fair.

  69. NK

    May 2, 2012 at 2:12 pm

    If ODU is dumb enough to turn down Conference USA, they deserve any thing that comes their way. Or doesn't come their way going forward.


    May 2, 2012 at 2:16 pm

    The fat chick's fat sister is…well, fat. Give me the hole in the wall at this point.

    This has set App back at least 15 years.

  71. appthunder90

    May 2, 2012 at 2:33 pm


    what do you do that you are free to espouse your dumbassity at will for an entire working day?

  72. Atlanta Mafia

    May 2, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    Georgia Southern is NOT going to make any move to the FBS within the next ten years. The administration at GaSo may be making some noise in order to raise some fund$ and get the heat off their back but nothing is really going to happen. Georgia Southern isn't within 160 miles of a relevant media market and GaSo is only the 5th largest college in Georgia. (behind Georgia; Georgia State; GaTech; and Kennesaw State in that order) GaSo was a traditional A&M school and a teachers college for most of its existence so there are no great alumni benefactors to provide the needed $$$ support. Any discussion of GaSo moving to FBS is aimless talk and will only frustrate the Georgia Southern faithful. I'm sure the writer of this article has never been to that place in no-where called Statesboro, Georgia. There is nothing there to offer except beer keg stands and STDs.

  73. HOGAN

    May 2, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    MIDWEST, get a grip dude.

    Charlotte fans, ignore anything yosef82 or Lewis say, they are both mildly insane and probably ate paint chips as children…82 still does, I'm sure of it.

    ODU would be insane not to take the bid. But if they don't, CUSA will take someone else from the Sunbelt, not us. I've been ok with the Sunbelt since the get go, it's a move in the right direction. And while there are a few "carbine's" left, most know the writing is on the wall in FCS already. Get out and get to Sunbelt before the FCS ship sinks.

    But again, everyone relax and let's let this thing shake down.

  74. Atlanta Mafia

    May 2, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    It is really amazing to me that some folks (schools) that have their little pee-wee league national championships think that they are entitled to move up to FBS. That entitlement mentality is what is wrong in this country.

    FYI – life isn't fair and neither is football.

    I really do feel for the AppyState folks but that don;t matter!

  75. appthunder90

    May 2, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    …. what is an "atlanta mafia"

  76. Lewis

    May 2, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    Hogan's Zeros. Read and learn. Our current adminstration and athletic department will not be able to get App St where it should be.

  77. Ridiculous

    May 2, 2012 at 3:05 pm

    I don't agree with the "entitled" comment. The landscape of football and conferences is changing. We want to keep up rather than sit and watch the parade pass. Any school in outpr situation would have the same mentality.

  78. Ridiculous

    May 2, 2012 at 3:05 pm

    *our not outpr

  79. Boone Goon

    May 2, 2012 at 3:19 pm

    The conference selection process is not only about Football. UNCC got it's bid on the back of it's basketball program, the local corporate sponsorship dollars, TV rights and the easy access to teams coming in and out of Charlotte-Douglas airport.

    Until the entire ASU offering improves we're going to be on the outside looking in. I never thought I would be 'hopeful' for an invite to the Sunbelt, but it sure looks like that's where we're at…

    Games vs. the 49ers are going to be just like the good old days of watching App play in W-S…err, WIN in W-S!

  80. Charlottefan

    May 2, 2012 at 3:28 pm

    Where it could get incredibly interesting, is that if ODU were to decline, Charlotte is already in. Would Charlotte vote for or against adding Appalachian State? On the one hand, it would create a natural rivalry to create revenue, ignite fans, and reduce travel cost. On the other hand, it would certainly deal Charlotte a major recruiting blow, while as it stands, it would appear Charlotte has more than an edge when recruiting the western half of NC. With my personal ties, I would love to see App in, but I can't say I'm sure that it's best for our University, and I sure as hell think it wouldn't be good for football. Just a thought.

  81. appthunder90

    May 2, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    rivalries generate interest which translates into $ and recruits for both sides. i dont see wake ncsu unc and vt struggling for recruits but they are all very close in proximity. a good quality rivalry can actual elevate recruiting for both sides of the equation. a lackluster rivalry a la app and western is just a joke

  82. Ridiculous

    May 2, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    Act now. Make your voice be heard. For some people on this thread, be professional or your voice will be ignored and you hurt the chances of making a difference to ASU Athletics.

    Alumni Association: (866) 756-ALUM (2586)


  83. app from sc

    May 2, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    Im guessing atlanta mafia is a ga state student who got drunk off his dads credit card and has oral dissentary.


    May 2, 2012 at 3:47 pm

    Atlanta mafia is obviously a Georgia State gangsta. Another glorified community college.

    Hey, please come to GA State, where we let anyone who applies in the door. No high school diploma? No problem. Never attended junior high? we can work something out. Call us today!!

  85. South Kak

    May 2, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    If GA Southern leaves the Southern conference maybe the conference can give App some regional opponents. Couldn't teams like UNC-Pembroke, Campbell, Davidson, Gardner Webb, Coastal Carolina, and other spark some nice rivalries and excitement for fans? Just do what ECU and C-USA did with the addition of ODU and CHAR or UTEP with UTSA.

  86. Jim

    May 2, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    For all you who can't understand why UNC-C and ODU are in and ASU isn't think largish metropolitan areas and airports. There's more than competitive ability that goes into these decisions.

  87. Fleetwood App

    May 2, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    Dude…82 got owned. Hehheh.

  88. 49ers

    May 2, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    Something to think about as far as rather Charlotte would vote ASU in or not. If the shoe was on the other foot would you vote us in?

  89. Ridiculous

    May 2, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    If you had a record like ours from seasons past or a couple of seasons that showed promise -with the proximity you have to ASU, it could be great for rivalries. Yes II'd vote you if the shoes were flipped and we were already in the C-USA.

  90. Ridiculous

    May 2, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    *vote you in

  91. Rollo Tomasi

    May 2, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    South Kak is a jackass No one cares about any of the schools he mentioned. Unfortunately that's probably whats going to happen. The reason i call him a jackass because he sounds enthused by the idea

  92. Riggs134

    May 2, 2012 at 5:14 pm

    Of course, I would vote UNCC in. As an App fan, I am hungry for good, relatively local rivalries. ASU, UNCC and ECU are natural rivals. When ASU plays at ECU (as we will prove again on September 1st), the App fans "bring the noise.". When we travel to Wofford or Furman, the same can't be said, because playing at those schools feels like a high school game. I would hope UNCC is going to offer a "real college football atmosphere."

  93. MtnMan91

    May 2, 2012 at 5:15 pm

    The comments about relative media market, corporate sponsorships and proximity to an airport large enough to handle a plane with at least 2 engines are all valid. College football is a business more than it is a sport now. It's not about history, and tradition (as much as the flashy ABC and ESPN promos might try to convey), it is about selling. Selling something, anything to make a few million dollars.

    ECU wants out of C-USA almost as much as App wants in. ECU fans believe they deserve to move up to a BCS conference and out of "bush league" FBS. I would love nothing more than to watch App knock these ECU fans down here back a couple pegs with a season opening win for many reasons. None the least of which, a sold out season opener in Greenvegas with an ASU win will send a solid message to the idiots in C-USA about football programs and potential rivalries.

    Screw a UNCC rivalry, App can do better. Not only does C-USA need to aim higher than a school without a program, but so does App. Forget the babies in the Queen City, App needs to think in terms of competing with ECU, NCSU, UNC Chapped Hole, etc.

  94. Appgrad

    May 2, 2012 at 5:24 pm

    We are still trying to get into c-USA. Can't really say much about it because I was told to keep it secret but it's pretty much a sales pitch to try to get us in C-USA. Seems to me it might be too late for that but maybe not.


    May 2, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    Aside from being stuck in mom's basement again, I find it highly unethical that money was raised under a false pretense. Fundraising efforts were clearly directed at "Moving to FBS". Cobb and Peacock are in hot water. They better make something miraculous happen soon. Big donors are furious right now and I've spoken with a few.

  96. Riggs134

    May 2, 2012 at 5:43 pm

    I don't see airport proximity as a big issue. I bet a team charter plane can land in Hickory (the runways were expanded years ago, when Delta flew there), load onto a bus and drive to Boone just as fast as they could going to UNCC, when landing in Charlotte Douglas. There are some advantages to a small airport. I am sure they could get in and out of the Hickory Airport twice as fast as the Charlotte Airport.

  97. Ridiculous

    May 2, 2012 at 5:50 pm

    Saying it again. Act now. Make your voice be heard. For some people on this thread, be professional or your voice will be ignored and you hurt the chances of making a difference to ASU Athletics.

    Alumni Association: (866) 756-ALUM (2586)


  98. Appy

    May 2, 2012 at 8:30 pm

    Since everyone keeps bringing up airports as a reason for Charlotte and ODU getting the call isn't there a perfectly good regional airport in Hickory? 45 minute drive up the mountain and you're in Boone! It can take that long to get from Charlotte Douglas to UNCC with Charlotte traffic so if that is a factor these conferences are looking at Cobb needs to be on the phone explaining that we have some options to offer

  99. 49ers

    May 2, 2012 at 9:09 pm


    I completely agree with you ASU forget about "UNC-C" I expect the SEC to be knocking on your door any day now

  100. 49ers

    May 2, 2012 at 9:13 pm

    keep on complaining but at the end of the day we will be FBS and you won't have to worry about having to schedule "no name UNC-C"

  101. Greg

    May 2, 2012 at 10:21 pm

    Purely hypothetical question:

    Would the C-USA/SB chest beaters rather have the administration tell you every little detail of what's going on, what they're planning/hoping/thinking, where they've succeeded, where they're failing which would light the message boards up with untruths *ahem, looking back at the last 100 posts* and get your hopes up just to have them dashed when it doesn't work out?

    -OR- (as all REAL business deals are done)

    Wait until they have something solid to officially announce to everyone? Last year when you saw the flurry of conference realignments MOST of those deals were months and/or years in the making and were more or less done when they were announced.

    PS, aren't our "inept" leaders the ones who have booked us season openers against some of the biggest programs in college football the last 8 years (LSU TWICE, MICHIGAN *soon to be* TWICE, VA Tech)? Let them do their jobs and broker a deal.

  102. Ry

    May 3, 2012 at 1:09 am


    Why the hell would we schedule you guys in "our" sport. You will not play us in basketball which is your sport that your so good at right now. *cough* cough.

    We will annihilate you guys if we so chose. Just because you got mighty Chowan game 2 doesn't make you any good. I believe App will be Sun Belt bound soon and I am all for it. It would be more regional and cost efficient.

    Also for those who care the C-USA/MWC merger is all but off. Here is the link.

  103. MIDWEST

    May 3, 2012 at 3:15 am

    The fact that Cobb publicly said we were not interested in the Sun Belch showed his lack of understanding as to how business deals get done. You never walk away from something until you have a better offer.

    I said all along to BRING IN THE CLOSER. Meanwhile, fans on this board were saying the deal is not ready to be closed as we're still "exploring" options. While Cobb was chilling by the pool on a cruise ship, schools with real visions and real leadership were putting pen to paper. Yes, but as some of you said, but "we can't seem desperate" so we should just sit back and wait for them to call us.

    No deal of any quality ever gets done by just sitting around with your thumb up your butt waiting for a call. As I said, this is a disaster and debacle of epic proportion. Myself and a few of you on this board could have sold App State better than these idiots did.

    Yes, I'm still pissed and you should be also!

  104. hapapp

    May 3, 2012 at 3:38 am

    It is amazing how you manage to exaggerate or misrepresent every little detail. In reality you, like the rest of us, have no clue what has been going on behind the scenes. You just make stuff up and then you say it often enough that you begin to believe it yourself. All of us are anxious to find out something, but you seem to be in need of therapy.

  105. MIDWEST

    May 3, 2012 at 3:43 am

    the ship sailed. Did I make that up?

  106. AppInExile

    May 3, 2012 at 3:55 am

    Here's the good news: I'm headed to the Caribbean tomorrow for 10 glorious days in the sunshine and away from this debate.

    Here's more good news: things are happening behind the scenes. Be patient and focus on what's best for ASU Football.

  107. bcoach

    May 3, 2012 at 3:56 am

    It seem to me that the VAST majority of people on here wanted NO PART of the sun belt. Many said they would rather stay in the socon. All of a sudden when it seems that cusa went away sun belt is the place to be.

    I just don't know how we can look around at what has happened on this campus, and football program over the last 10 years and say that the administration does not know what they are doing. If you look at the big picture they have done an outstanding job. I'll bet when this is over we will be just fine. I will say again that I prefer the fcs model over the fbs model. (there is still no playoff)but the future is probably not very bright for fcs. I am trusting that Peacock will make the right decision so that we don't make a huge mistake. I want him to make a university decision not a football decision. I trust he will.

  108. JMcCray

    May 3, 2012 at 4:10 am

    How pissed must ECU fans (and possibly the University) be if their conference is accepting all these start-up programs and they can't get into the Big East. Honestly, ECU deserves better.

  109. JMcCray

    May 3, 2012 at 4:12 am

    So bcoach, you don't consider the new semi-final and final games a play-off?

  110. CamelCityAppFan

    May 3, 2012 at 4:28 am

    bcoach– I'm sorry, I think you have this message board mistaken for one that appreciates reasonable, rational thinking.

  111. asu7

    May 3, 2012 at 4:50 am

    I guess that a semi-final is not a playoff. It is happening in the BCS and it will expand on down once they see the $$ it will bring in.

    Can you imagine Bama or LSU hosting a semi-final game to play for a national title? I can't wait to watch this.

    I can wait to see Presby, Davidson, and Peace College on the schedule every year. smh FCS is bleeding out and we are not going to get the bleeding to stop.

  112. JMcCray

    May 3, 2012 at 5:01 am

    HOGAN, you are hysterical!

  113. bcoach

    May 3, 2012 at 5:30 am

    No 4 teams is not a play off. I have heard it called the final 4. It is not the final 4 it is the ONLY 4. So no I don't call that a playoff. I call it another TV hype, another stall tactic.

  114. bcoach

    May 3, 2012 at 5:38 am

    I will also say that FBS needs two divisions and a real playoff system. One for the upper tier and one for the lower where we will eventually be. That way everyone has a shot at a real national championship instead of this phoney system they use now. Why should football be the only sport that does not have a real champion when it is the number one sport.

  115. MIDWEST

    May 3, 2012 at 5:50 am

    Exile: Have fun in the Caribbean. Say hello to Cobb while you're there. Be sure to advise him on his resume.

    I certainly hope some things are happening behind the scenes, because we are the laughing stock of the "region" right now…I would say nation, but we haven't marketed ourselves nationally (which we should have been doing for years).

    The problem here is that Cobb and Peacock are "administrators" and not visionaries or rainmakers. This is why I said all along to bring in a high powered sports marketing and legal team to get the deal done. We can't have two guys showing up in overalls expecting to negotiate a big time deal. Behind the scenes, they were probably laughed at for not being prepared.

    PLEASE prove me wrong (Cobb and Peacock) and surprise us with some positive news!

  116. Ridiculous

    May 3, 2012 at 5:51 am

    I know one thing. I'm glad that none of you are at the negotiation table for these deals. The conference would laugh in our faces.

  117. asu7

    May 3, 2012 at 6:00 am

    I agree coach. The BCS needs to be the minors and the FBS should be the rest of us. If we don't find ourselves in the FBS then we might be in trouble because of what the FCS is going to become. With the recent departures FCS may become a third division. I don't want to the be here when that happens.

    Has anyone thought about all those nice Charlotte recruits we are going to miss out on because they will be FBS now?

    Looking forward to that 2014 succon schedule.

  118. Dr. Gonzo

    May 3, 2012 at 6:02 am

    Big announcement immanent….

    Midwest, please step back from the ledge. Actually nevermind, go ahead with what you were doing….

  119. MIDWEST

    May 3, 2012 at 6:04 am

    I would expect the announcement to be the SunBelt with the Stink. I'll take it, but I still that that's pretty weak.

    CUSA could own the Charlotte market if they had CCC and us.

  120. AB

    May 3, 2012 at 6:05 am

    If midwest is claiming the "ship has sailed" ASU must be getting an invite to an FBS conference within the next few months.

    He's 100% so far by my count.

  121. MIDWEST

    May 3, 2012 at 6:13 am

    I think we have more in common with the mid-Atlantic schools like JMU, Delaware, ODU, etc. than we do with some of the SunBelt schools. Again, we're the wallflower at this point, so I guess a move to the SunBelch is better than where we are now. Still VERY disappointing though.

    Maybe we will all be surprised at a late CUSA invite. Probably not going to happen, but you never know…

  122. asu7

    May 3, 2012 at 6:16 am

    Gonzo don't pull our chains. What kind of announcement? Cobb is taking another AD job?

  123. Dr. Gonzo

    May 3, 2012 at 6:25 am

    Well I suppose I'm not sure when an announcement is coming, but I have heard that we are negotiating a membership.

    Can't reveal any more details, the source or the quote I was provided.

    I'm not a big chain puller when it comes to conference movement. Everything else, yes.

  124. South Kak

    May 3, 2012 at 6:30 am

    To Rollo Tomasi

    I am not a jackass, so you are a lair.

    What is wrong with bring up those teams into the Southern Conference? It might be possible that App misses the ship to FBS (Sun Belt and MAC) and then what? Try to make the best of the situation by creating new regional rivalries. I can't see why App fans feel that they are superior to the schools like Coastal Carolina, UNC Pembroke, Campbell, Davidson, and etc. when no FBS conference wanted them as a member. I hope App does get into a FBS league (whatever that might be), but if not you might want to give schools like Gardner-Webb and South Carolina State a call…

  125. asu7

    May 3, 2012 at 6:35 am

    That is good enough for me. So we are working out the details and we should hear something soon!

    I just don't see, with the current landscape that is FCS, how we can stay here.

  126. asu7

    May 3, 2012 at 6:36 am

    Seriously South Kak? Why not bring up some high schools as well.

  127. South Kak

    May 3, 2012 at 6:40 am

    Then I ask you, who do you bring into the Southern Conference then?

  128. MIDWEST

    May 3, 2012 at 6:44 am

    Gonzo- way to go out on a limb. You have heard we are negotiating a membership? As opposed to what? negotiating to buy a truckload of avocados for the cafeteria?

  129. bcoach

    May 3, 2012 at 6:48 am


    I am not very worried yet. We only have 6 Charlotte guys on the roster at this point. I think 1 starter. Not sure guys will jump on UNCC to begin with as they will have zero exposure and big time losses. My guess is that it will be a couple years before they can really get anyone we would want and by then we will be in fbs with a superior program. Could be wrong but that is my take. Years down the road they will be competition for recruits but by then we will be casting a wider net anyway and charlotte will have less importance to us.

  130. bcoach

    May 3, 2012 at 6:52 am

    Forgot to add this. How many guys stay in their home town to play ball? ot many.

    We are goint to be ok.


    I promise we are going to be ok.

  131. bcoach

    May 3, 2012 at 6:52 am

    not many

  132. ASU-LAW

    May 3, 2012 at 6:56 am


    Your info gives me hope. All this realignment stuff is fu*king with my head.

  133. HOGAN

    May 3, 2012 at 7:06 am

    Just saw this on twitter….


    "ASU looking to move to be a member of CUSA, Sunbelt and MAC at the same time, citing opportunities in all 3 conferences and no opportunities in all 3 conferences."




  134. Dr. Gonzo

    May 3, 2012 at 7:07 am

    Midwest, I've heard a lot more as well, but I'll let you find out in an official announcement.

    Law, yes indeed. The Great Movement:

  135. Ry

    May 3, 2012 at 7:08 am


    Gonzo has his head right on and is correct. I have been reading between the lines and hearing many of the same things around. We are going to be fine and we have our heads on straight. Everyone take a break relax grab a 6-pack and for MidWest dude go to an asylum your nuts.


  136. ASUGoose

    May 3, 2012 at 7:14 am

    Gonzo – is it an FBS membership or FCS membership? I know there has been talk of moving to CAA if no bid to FBS.

  137. Dr. Gonzo

    May 3, 2012 at 7:28 am

    I've already said too much dammit. Its FBS. It may not be the only conference on the verge of giving us an invite either. I've just only specifically heard for a fact of one in particular. Message boards everywhere are saying we might get 2-3. If you've been paying attention, I believe you can fill in the blanks here so I don't have to mention conference names. There's a good bit more specific, promising info as well. Bottom line: Don't fret. Unless of course you're one of the geriatric patients on MMB that value nothing more than a seat at the 50 yard line. Looks like the anti-FBSers are SOL.

    That's all you people are getting from me. I've GOT to stop with the teasers when I get wind of stuff. I just hate to see my school's fan base going ape $hit.

  138. Ry

    May 3, 2012 at 7:48 am

    Brother Gonzo,

    You already told enough information man why don't you just tell us. Are you afraid your going to lose your doctorate degree if you do. jk. But seriously you can tell us or something. You know what this decision means for the university brother.

  139. ASUGoose

    May 3, 2012 at 7:48 am

    Well then we can assume CUSA, Sunbelt, and MAC. Those would be the logical FBS conferences where we could land.

    I hope we hear something in the next week.

    Thanks Gonzo.

  140. niner

    May 3, 2012 at 7:51 am

    you guys better hope Gonzo's information is better than the secret invite from CUSA back when Lehman Brothers existed.

    Your ship has sailed. Focus on Elon/WCU and let your fans become closet niner fans if they need an FBS team to pull for.

  141. Dr. Gonzo

    May 3, 2012 at 7:56 am

    You UNCCee trolls are pathetic. I've been one of the most vocal anti-UNCC fans out there and I STILL have never visited any UNCC blog sites or forums. Little man syndrome much?

    All hail the University of Chapel Hill at Charlotte, winners of the internet.

  142. Norman Niner

    May 3, 2012 at 7:59 am

  143. appthunder90

    May 3, 2012 at 8:02 am


    the trolls are all the same person

  144. appthunder90

    May 3, 2012 at 8:02 am

    im pretty sure that person is lewis.

  145. Dr. Gonzo

    May 3, 2012 at 8:05 am

    I've always suspected Lewis was an undercover Cee fan.

    You're right about all the trolls most likely being 1-2 people. Thus occupying 10% of UNCC's entire fan base.

  146. Fleetwood App

    May 3, 2012 at 8:05 am

    Wouldn't surprise me one bit for us to land in the CUSA.

    That said, bcoach, this post a little up-thread was one of great reason and wisdom:

    "It seem to me that the VAST majority of people on here wanted NO PART of the sun belt. Many said they would rather stay in the socon. All of a sudden when it seems that cusa went away sun belt is the place to be.

    I just don’t know how we can look around at what has happened on this campus, and football program over the last 10 years and say that the administration does not know what they are doing. If you look at the big picture they have done an outstanding job. I’ll bet when this is over we will be just fine. I will say again that I prefer the fcs model over the fbs model. (there is still no playoff)but the future is probably not very bright for fcs. I am trusting that Peacock will make the right decision so that we don’t make a huge mistake. I want him to make a university decision not a football decision. I trust he will."

    Thank you sir.

  147. Ry

    May 3, 2012 at 8:06 am

    Hey Niner,

    Lets talk stats…..oh wait you have none because you have never played a college football game. You will be the next UAB. Hippee Hooray for you jack*ss

  148. NormChar

    May 3, 2012 at 8:09 am

    LOL Dr. Gonzo! Just a couple of weeks ago you said you had no interest in the Sunbelt. Just a few months ago you said App was content in FCS.

    Now your posts read like Chicken Little. Lol!

  149. little man syndrome

    May 3, 2012 at 8:09 am

    Hey Gonzo, would you like for this "little man" to tell you how it feels to be in a FBS conference? You can tell me what it feels like to play Bethune-Cookman!

  150. u mad?

    May 3, 2012 at 8:12 am

    Ry, here is a stat for you…

    FBS conference invites:


    App St-0

  151. Fleetwood App

    May 3, 2012 at 8:15 am

    What's going on over at the MMB? Is that place melting down?

    Also, has anyone on here contacted the Alumni office? If so, have they responded with anything?

  152. Dr. Gonzo

    May 3, 2012 at 8:17 am

    I have never in my life said that we are content in the FCS and I haven't spoken ill of the SBC since last year. You are an idiot, a lier and you have no clue about college football at any level.

    Little man: Take a look at your schedule for 2013-2015 if you want to see the Bethune-Cookman types. Have fun taking L's from them.

    I repeat: App State will play an FBS V FBS game before the University of Chapel Hill at Charlotte does. Hopefully your transient fan base hasn't completely abandoned the program by then after taking L's to team's the ignorantly arrogant group has no respect for, if they've ever even heard of them….

  153. ASUGoose

    May 3, 2012 at 8:20 am

    At this point I don't care which conference we end up as long as it is FBS. According to Gonzo, we will be moving to FBS so I am not as pissed as I have been these past few days with the news about ODU and UNCC.

    Obviously I would like the CUSA invite over the sunbelt or mac. I would probably prefer the sunbelt over the MAC, mainly for it's bowl ties to the New Orleans Bowl. Good excuse to go to NOLA!

  154. Ry

    May 3, 2012 at 8:21 am

    Awh you can count. You will be the first FBS team to lose to a d2 school have fun with that man. Charlotte you guys think you are so wonderful. What sport are you good at? Your basketball sucks as does ours. Our baseball, football, women's basketball is better.

  155. little man syndrome

    May 3, 2012 at 8:23 am

    so does that mean you DO want to know what its like to be in an FBS conference? Well, as a Charlotte fan I can tell you. It feels pretty awesome.

    Keep your chin up though sport. The FCS suits you guys well.

  156. ASUGoose

    May 3, 2012 at 8:28 am

    I think I read that CUSA is charging UTSA a $2 million entry fee to the conference? Is that common practice to charge an entry fee into a conference?

    If for some reason we get an invite to CUSA, we would be looking at roughly $2.6 million we would have to dish out….. I think it is $600k fee for a 1 year notice to leave the SoCon, but correct me if I am wrong.

    Whoa, that is a big check to write right out of the gates…

  157. ASUGoose

    May 3, 2012 at 8:29 am

  158. appthunder90

    May 3, 2012 at 8:36 am

    conference entry fees are normal but they are not normally a check written at the beginning. it takes place in reduced conference payouts amortized over a specified amount of time. the socon fee will likely be a check on the other hand

  159. appdreamin

    May 3, 2012 at 8:49 am

    They're pretty good at men's soccer.

  160. Dr. Gonzo

    May 3, 2012 at 8:56 am

    ^America's favorite sport!

  161. MIDWEST

    May 3, 2012 at 8:59 am

    I do think it is very possible that both the MAC and SunBelch offer us a bid. I really think the MAC wants JMU as well…maybe Delaware.

    I have to believe CUSA is out at this point, but I hope I am dead wrong.

    You do know that if we actually move to CUSA, I would have been right all along with my predictions. haha.

    Let's hope for the best!

  162. Charlottefan

    May 3, 2012 at 9:06 am

    I have a question for you guys. I'm interested to hear opinions. If you all do get a sun belt invite, as Dr. Gonzo has posted on the delphi forum, do you think that would hurt recruiting? You would be fighting ECU and Charlotte for recruits. In all honestly UNCC and App have never had to fight for recruits before, so we can all beat our chest, but neither side knows who the football players are going to pick, however, I personally believe that you guys would be able to recruit better in FCS. That offers something ECU nor Charlotte can offer. Also, if you go to the SBC, you are pitching GaSo and Troy, while UNCC will be pitching ECU and Southern Miss. This is just my opinion, but I feel like App would be much better off playing FCS football. In FCS app can offer a chance to win a national championship, while I don't believe UNCC or ECU will ever be able to offer that. If app goes FBS, that goes away.

  163. asumike83

    May 3, 2012 at 9:15 am

    You make an interesting point but in terms of recruiting these kids, perception is very important and the FBS label makes a difference. The recruiting pitch will certainly be different depending on where we end up but in my opinion, being FBS (and likely playing ECU/UNCC out of conference) would give us a better shot at the players we'll all be fighting for.

  164. 49ers

    May 3, 2012 at 9:16 am

    none of the C-USA members are going to vote in another north carolina school

  165. appstategrad2008

    May 3, 2012 at 9:16 am

    Wow, I can't believe I just read this entire thread… no work getting done this morning.

    Gonzo, love your comments… this excerpt, however, I had to read about 4 times:

    "I’ve just only specifically heard for a fact of one in particular."

    Wow… I kid, of course. I hope you're right about all this. It'd be great to have some additional details of what you're hearing… just slid under the door of my email inbox.

  166. Dr. Gonzo

    May 3, 2012 at 9:21 am

    We have been primarily recruiting in Ga, SC and Florida recently. We haven't really heavily recruited in NC since Elliot left. Schools in certain states do not necessarily have to recruit inside their own state, although recruiting trips can get expensive if couches are going far differences. It can also be time consuming and it's certainly beneficial to go close to home from a logistics point of view. I know ECU recruits in VA a good bit. You're a start up program, so it really depends on your coaches and where they have contacts/experience to find out where your main recruiting ground will be. You'll have an advantage in the city of Charlotte of course for those recruits that want to stay close to home. It's really uncharted territory as far as how many, if any recruiting battles UNCC and App will be in.

  167. Dr. Gonzo

    May 3, 2012 at 9:24 am

    Oops got a tad hasty with that one, 2008 haha. I mean that there is only one conference that I have explicitly heard will invite us soon. Sorry

  168. Dr. Gonzo

    May 3, 2012 at 9:25 am

    far distances* Wow I'm a mess today.

  169. hapapp

    May 3, 2012 at 9:27 am

    Of course, recruiting has a lot to do with success. If ASU is successful in the SBC and Charlotte struggles in CUSA, then the conference labels mean very little. Of course, the opposite is true as well. If both do well, it probably allows both to intrude a bit on the traditional FBS schools in the region. I don't think anyone can really predict what the impact will be. I do believe that our two schools would be going head to head for lots of the same players.

  170. Deano

    May 3, 2012 at 9:30 am


    You bring up some good points, there is nothing as good as having a true playoff system and playing for a national title, but things are changing. The good programs are moving out of FCS and the BCS is dabbling with a small playoff system, which I believe in years to come will expand. So really the time is now for us to try and go FBS. Right now we don't fight for recruits with Charlotte but it won't be long and we might. I still think even if UNCC and ASU were FBS schools we both offer a different experience and that will ultimately be the difference in a potential players mind.

  171. MIDWEST

    May 3, 2012 at 9:33 am

    Question: Would you rather be tethered to JMU or the Stink? I think JMU has a bigger upside (and is closer to Boone). JMU also has a better reputation from an academic perspective (which is very important).

  172. Deano

    May 3, 2012 at 9:34 am

    I believe JMU also has better fans, the stinks fans are just plain aweful.

  173. Deano

    May 3, 2012 at 9:35 am

    "awful" sorry

  174. Dr. Gonzo

    May 3, 2012 at 9:38 am

    JMU and GaSo are both far cries from ASU academically. They are the ECU'S of their respective states.

  175. ASUGoose

    May 3, 2012 at 9:40 am

    Better to have ties to JMU if we can, but I like the geograhic region better in the sunbelt. Any chance JMU would go Sunbelt if we go first?

  176. asu7

    May 3, 2012 at 9:44 am

    Something has got the good doctor all in a tizzy. You have been right before so I am banking this pleasant feeling on us being FBS. I hope your source is correct. If it turns out wrong someone will have to pull me from the ledge. I would rather be in a conference with GaSo where ever that might be. I love to hate da stinky birds.

    If GaSo leaves the succon then and we are still here then Boone might become a greasy spot.

  177. asumike83

    May 3, 2012 at 9:45 am

    Call me sentimental but I'd choose GA Southern. Much more history there and some absolute classics over the past decade or so.

  178. asu7

    May 3, 2012 at 9:47 am

    I actually would love to play them both on a regular basis as the JMU games are usually nail biters and intense for fans. That 2007 playoff game was for the national championship. If we could get JMU and GaSo both in the same conference then that would be the best case scenario for any conference we could have went to.

  179. bcoach

    May 3, 2012 at 9:52 am

    JMU fans also suck but not as bad as GASo. JMU is closer and I would rather be with them but not in the MAC. Eastern, Central, Southeastern, Northern, South western, Western, Northeastern, (did I miss any?) Upper, Lower, Michigan don't really turn me on. Too far to travel and one of them only draws 3 people on a Saturday.

  180. Blazer

    May 3, 2012 at 9:52 am

    Maybe the anncoument is an invite to the MEAC; with SCST possibly heading to the NAIA with their financial problems. Can't wait to watch FAMU vs. APP ST!

  181. hapapp

    May 3, 2012 at 9:57 am

    JMU is NOT the ECU of Virginia academically, I can assure of that. JMU is every bit our equal on that front.

  182. Dr. Gonzo

    May 3, 2012 at 10:07 am

    Upon looking at their admission standards, you're correct. Someone told me a long time ago that JMU was a huge party school and was the "ECU of Virginia." My mistake. Definitely a step above the Stink in academics.

  183. bcoach

    May 3, 2012 at 10:11 am

    I don't think there is an ECU of Virginia. At least not a 4 year school.:)

  184. AppInExile

    May 3, 2012 at 10:21 am

    Relax, people. Everything is gonna work out in the end. Have faith, these people DO know what they're doing!

    Midwest, if I see CC in Aruba tonight I'll buy him a drink and tell him you said to BRING IN MARIANO RIVERA ALREADY, DANG IT! If I see him hanging out with Natalie Holloway I'll drop you a line. Keep your cellphone handy…

  185. AppInExile

    May 3, 2012 at 10:23 am

    And anyone who says JMU is the ECU of Virginia is clueless. There are more academically outstanding schools up there than you can shake a stick at.

    Oops, ended a sentence with a preposition. How unbecoming of an ASU grad.

  186. appdreamin

    May 3, 2012 at 10:27 am

    Gonzo, not America's favorite, but the world's. Whether or not Americans support soccer, though–and college soccer is probably the worst version of the game–I believe UNC-C played (and lost to) UNC-CH in the NCAA championship game last season.

    Since I'm unaware of any on-the-field academic contests, I'd rather be in a league with GaSo than JMU if it came to a choice. Program tradition and intensity of rivalry are both better than with JMU, though there have been memorable wins (and losses) with each school. In no way do I see how we would ever fit into the MAC, even if JMU did join.

    Recruiting Charlotte? App, UNC-C, and any other school competes for the leftovers after the BCS guys take their pick. ECU probably has first dibs after that. If App remains FCS? Given the current direction of that division and the general perception of it relative to even low-tier FBS conferences, we would almost certainly be picking last–either that or searching for the overlooked, under-sized, etc. prospect, which is essentially the same thing.

  187. AppInExile

    May 3, 2012 at 10:31 am

    Law, that article pretty much says it all. When things shake out in college football it will look vastly different than it does now. And that is obviously happening sooner rather than later.

  188. ASUGoose

    May 3, 2012 at 10:58 am

    That article explains exactly how irrelevant FCS will be in the future.

  189. ECUGrad/AppFann

    May 3, 2012 at 11:00 am

    This is exactly what I was fearing the last time I checked these boards when we had just been locked out of the Big East. It became clear to us that fan support, attendance, and on the field results/success doesn't factor in to these conference expansions. I was hoping against hope that the same criteria that locked us out would not be used to lock out ASU.

    I can absolutely understand the angst directed at UNCC as a result of their on the field accomplishments(hehe). They don't hold a shadow to App's; we had those same thoughts and opinions toward UCF and the Big East. If college football were started today, we would most certainly not have the most popular programs that earned their reputations by success and being located in "college" towns. In my opinion, that is why I love to visit Boone so much. The whole city is built around the university, just like Greenville. Boone is much prettier though:)

    As I read through the comments, I am very surprised at the "digs" toward ECU in all of this. It seems to me that ECU has been the biggest, maybe the only supporter of App moving up to CUSA as publicly stated by our Chancellor and AD. I know frustrations are high right now but I would encourage all those true App fans not to "throw rocks" at ECU. We are the only NC legitmate football program with the guts to put you on the schedule. It's a great rivalry when we play, as 2009 showed and I'm sure that 2012 will too. What a shame it would be if 2012 were the last year that ECU was willing to schedule App.

    Just about every member of the Pirate Nation would MUCH rather see App move up than UNCC, ODU, FIU, and any of these other "who" schools. I'll be pulling for you guys every game except Sept. 1!

  190. ASUGoose

    May 3, 2012 at 11:16 am

    I figure this was old news but this was on the front page of ESPN.

  191. appstategrad2008

    May 3, 2012 at 11:21 am


    "We are the only NC legitmate football program with the guts to put you on the schedule."


  192. AppInExile

    May 3, 2012 at 11:34 am

    ECU Grad, no one here seems to be dogging the Pirates.

    ECU, better than anyone else, can understand our plight.

  193. Fleetwood App

    May 3, 2012 at 11:45 am

    "We are the only NC legitmate football program with the guts to put you on the schedule."

    Dang straight ECUGrad. Looking forward to Sept. 1st. I hope the rivalry continues into the future.

  194. Ridiculous

    May 3, 2012 at 11:51 am

    Glad to have you on our side ECUGrad/AppFann.

  195. asumike83

    May 3, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    There were several folks throwing rocks at ECU academics, which is really not necessary. Thanks for the support ECUGrad. My father is an ECU alum and I've been going to games down there for a long time. Amazing the growth in your football program over the last 20 years.

    Plus, as you said, you guys get major points for being the only in-state FBS program with the stones to schedule us regularly since our program has really taken off. September 1 is gonna be a blast, got 6 tickets in hand!

  196. asu7

    May 3, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    Mike you have received your tix?

  197. mockenburd

    May 3, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    ….and Dr. Gonzo's revelation soothes the savage beasts! Long live Gonz…

  198. ASU-LAW

    May 3, 2012 at 1:22 pm


    Not sure what comments your referring to… although i admit i didn't read everyone one on this about to pass 200 posts article. But i think the general sentiment of ASU fans on here is that ECU and ASU have mutual respect for one another. I hope that no matter how this all shakes out the rivalry that we have been rebuilding continues. Hopefully the state of NC will finally have a true football rivalry.

  199. ASU-LAW

    May 3, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    AppInExile and ASUGoose,

    I know! This is what we have been saying for the past few months. Those who are comfortable with our current position will soon find that its no longer the same. FCS competition will most certainly decrease as the top schools are plucked to the FBS. Not to mention the doors will shut once again once conference realignment ends.

  200. bcoach

    May 3, 2012 at 1:42 pm


    May 3, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    I don’t think there is an ECU of Virginia. At least not a 4 year school.:)

    I'll take the heat. It was me. ECUGrad/AppFann

    I apologize it was just a leftover from when I lived in Raleigh. I take it back and I look forward to Sept 1. Stop in and I'll buy you a beer.

  201. asumike83

    May 3, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    asu7: I have not received them yet so "in hand" was probably not the best phrasing, although I have paid the bill! I suppose there is a chance they do not have enough to give me 6 but I got ECU tickets, season tickets and renewed my Yosef Club all at once, so hopefully they can hook me up.

    Worst case, I may get less than 6 and a refund for the difference but the ticket office seemed to think it would not be a problem. I believe it was early August when I got my tickets last season.

  202. asumike83

    May 3, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    ASU-LAW: Was not referring to anything you said and I agree, a move to FBS for us could create an excellent football rivalry in NC, regardless of conference affiliation.

    Looks like bcoach fessed up to being a guilty party but it's nothing a cold beer won't fix!

  203. ECUGrad/AppFann

    May 3, 2012 at 2:41 pm

    Ha, cold beers fix everything!! I am truly looking forward to September when you guys head east and also looking forward to my annual trip to Boone in October for the Wofford game. Always a great time!

  204. AppInExile

    May 3, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    So now everyone's around the campfire, happy and satisfied…

    …and waiting very patiently.

  205. ECUGrad/AppFann

    May 3, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    It seems there is also a lot of opinion out there that the App AD/powers that be have not been verbal enough about your interest in moving up to a FBS conference. One thing I can tell you is that Terry Holland at ECU has been absolutely blasted by folks out there and even a lot from our own fanbase that we were TOO verbal about our Big East intentions. Lots of thoughts that said it made us appear desperate when the cards didn't fall our way. Of course, if we had gotten in, I'm sure he would have been presented as the smartest man on the planet though.

    It could possbily be the the App admin is playing things close to the vest just in case things do not work out based off the blowback toward TH. Not directly related here but sort of.

  206. Appnaysayer

    May 3, 2012 at 3:59 pm

    I am SOOOOOOOOOOOOO enjoying this.

  207. MIDWEST

    May 3, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    Is the deal done yet? Didn't thing so. Thumbs still inserted in rectum.

  208. appstategrad2008

    May 3, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    It's so funny how the tone of this entire thread changed dramatically… lol @ AppInExile's comment. Who's going to be "that guy" that breaks out the guitar for the campfire?

    MIDWEST: Dr. Gonzo, this song is for you…

  209. Dr. Gonzo

    May 3, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    How bout a little Ben Harper?

  210. MIDWEST

    May 3, 2012 at 4:45 pm

    Tom Petty just called and wants to know what the hell is going on.

  211. appthunder90

    May 3, 2012 at 5:21 pm


    Found the Closer

    "Champions for Every Season"


  212. MIDWEST

    May 3, 2012 at 5:57 pm

    Why are there no black or brown folks in the photo? Black people do go to App these days, right? Just curious. I mean I know we don't have much of vision and all, but come on man. This is bush league sports marketing.

  213. MIDWEST

    May 3, 2012 at 5:59 pm

    Also, my friend Fu wants to know why there aren't any yellow people in there either?

  214. appthunder90

    May 3, 2012 at 6:01 pm

    you are an idiot.

  215. MIDWEST

    May 3, 2012 at 6:22 pm

    Seriously, hundreds of white people in this ad and not one brother or sister. I'm white and I'm offended by that. How am I an idiot. Why don't we survey the football team and see what they think?

  216. MIDWEST

    May 3, 2012 at 6:27 pm

    You want a closer. Jeff Dillman is a f-ing closer.

    What ever happened to FIN-ISH! FINISH STRONG! I miss this guy!

  217. MIDWEST

    May 3, 2012 at 6:29 pm

  218. asumike83

    May 3, 2012 at 6:42 pm

    Seeing as it is an actual photo from the student section of a game, I'd say there are no minorities visible in the photo because our school is 90% white. Just a wild guess though.

  219. appthunder90

    May 3, 2012 at 6:55 pm

    i may have fibbed just a little bit. its not an OFFICIAL campaign. it was done by a fellow student. and midwest, you are an idiot.

  220. Dr. Gonzo

    May 3, 2012 at 8:37 pm

    Wow I mention Ben Harper, come back and it's a race issue. Only on Appfan

  221. MIDWEST

    May 4, 2012 at 2:34 am

    I love it when people ask Dillman, "what are you on, man?" His response is always, "I'm on life, baby!" Say what you want about him, but he instilled discipline while he was here and he made sure the players knew that your attitude often determines your altitude in life. I guarantee you we wouldn't have the mess (on and off the field) we had last year if Jeff Dillman was still here.

  222. bcoach

    May 4, 2012 at 4:04 am

    It really would be interesting to know what you do for a living. I'll bet there is never a dull moment.

  223. appthunder90

    May 4, 2012 at 4:48 am

    oh, i wasnt disagreeing about dillman. you're right on about that.

  224. ASU-LAW

    May 4, 2012 at 5:02 am

    "It is known he's spoken already with Georgia Southern, which is in the footprint, and Appalachian State, which is in North Carolina." (SunBelt Commish)

  225. hapapp

    May 4, 2012 at 5:20 am

    From that same article:

    "Both are traditional FCS powers, but neither is located near a major media market and neither is particularly geographically friendly for travel-related purposes.

    Lamar (in Texas), Sam Houston State (also in Texas), Liberty (in Virginia) and Jacksonville State (in Alabama) also are known to be interested in jumping — although, like any FCS program, they would need an invite from an FBS conference first.

    "If they (prospective new members) happen to fall within the current Sun Belt footprint that would be ideal," Benson said, "but I don't think we would rule out someone."

  226. The Provider

    May 4, 2012 at 5:23 am

    I can confirm that Dr. Gonzo is on the right track.

    Keep your eyes on the Old Dominion situation. That is what is keeping things *hush* at the moment.

    News coming VERY soon, maybe as soon as Sunday for the Mountaineers.

  227. Boone Lifer

    May 4, 2012 at 5:34 am

    A coworker's wife works in Cobb's office and said something was going to be announced on Sunday or Monday. I'm not sure why they would make an announcement on a Sunday but it might have something to do with the ODU situation mentioned above. Time will tell.

  228. a123louie

    May 4, 2012 at 5:49 am

    The FCS playoff system has been very exciting, and it has been really great to have home playoff games.

    I think those who lust for the "big Time" have pushed in a direction that will diminished the fun they will have in the future. I hope they will enjoy playing in the "So What" bowl for the coveted "Burger Doodle Who Cares" trophy.

  229. The Hoon

    May 4, 2012 at 6:43 am

    If you guys want an FBS program on your schedule, we'll probably offer ASU a 2-for-1 deal (2 in Charlotte, 1 in Boone).

  230. Riggs134

    May 4, 2012 at 6:57 am

    I agree. I have enjoyed the playoffs and the opportunity to win a real national championship. But, the level of competition in the FCS is changing. ASU now is a much better football school than we were 30 years ago, when the NCAA formed the 1-AA. Our fan base is stronger. Our facilities are better. On the field, I feel, we have always been competitive. I remember having a game at NC State stolen from us when the officials ruled that Rick Beasley was "juggling" the ball as he went out of bounds.

    If we want to be able to play better competition on a regular basis, we need to move now. Too many of the other "elite" FCS schools are making the jump. The FCS is not going to look the same in a few years. Even if we don't get into C-USA (and play ECU & UNCC every year) we will be much more attractive to NC State, UNC and others because they are only allowed one FCS victory to count towards their 6 to be bowl eligible.


  231. Riggs134

    May 4, 2012 at 7:09 am

    To: The Hoon

    Be careful what you wish for. I guarantee that your little 15,000 seat stadium will be more than 1/2 full of ASU fans when we come to town. And you know…We Will BRING THE NOISE!

  232. NormChar

    May 4, 2012 at 8:36 am

    Dr. Gonzo always good for a LOL! "JMU is a far cry from ASU academically."

  233. Dr. Gonzo

    May 4, 2012 at 9:06 am

    This guy/this fan base is obsessed with me and App State. I think he's an openly gay closet App fan.

    BTW I retracted that above if you keep reading. Contrary to what I was told by a native Virginian and upon my own research after people on here told me that was incorrect, App and JMU are actually quite even academically. Both well about UNCc.

  234. bcoach

    May 4, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    Why on earth would we play them there? why help them meet their attendance requirement? they can't do it on their own.

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