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FBS talk – Sun Belt satisfied

Contented – “Sun Belt says they’re staying at 10 FB schools, which means App State, Georgia Southern and Liberty aren’t going anywhere…for now.” No budging – “Sun Belt should NOT be considered a landing spot for FCS or existing FBS members.” Oh well. Remember that random guy with the random friend who was almost right all the time? /snicker

NEWS RELEASE. Since the twitters from, uh, news people apparently aren’t enough – “During the league’s conference call with reporters today, Benson made it clear the Sun Belt has no immediate plans to consider other new members. “The message we wanted to send is that we are not pursuing additional members at this time,” he said, “and to squelch the speculation of a football championship game. At this time, it (a title game) is not high on our radar screen and not on our priority list.””


  1. Know Nothing

    May 23, 2012 at 11:18 am

    Get to flying stupid little bird.

  2. Champ

    May 23, 2012 at 11:33 am

    Heard differently. Heard the Sun Belt is leaning more on adding App State and Ga Southern rather than Idaho and NMST. Decision suppose to come next tuesday

  3. C-Town 'Neer

    May 23, 2012 at 11:35 am

    where did you hear that from?

  4. Dr. Gonzo

    May 23, 2012 at 11:38 am

    Does anyone else have a major case of blue balls right now?

  5. sixtoes9134

    May 23, 2012 at 11:39 am


    No offense, but there is no evidence anywhere to suggest that is a fact.

    Unless the SBC comes up with a plan really fast to address how best to support a conference championship (which with 5 and 5 doesn't really work), then it's no Sunbelt for ASU /GSouth this year or this time around.

  6. Big Dave

    May 23, 2012 at 11:43 am

    YOu think we've got problems? I was listening to a SC writer who is defined as one of the best if not the best sportswriters in SC and he covers Clemson almost exclusively. He believes that Clemson and Flordia State have one foot out the door right now. He didn't think that a week ago.

    Wow. I still believe that we were never in control of our destiny no matter how you spun it to any conference. This really sucks.

  7. JMcCray

    May 23, 2012 at 11:52 am

    Start the weeping and gnashing of teeth! Where is my sackcloth?


    May 23, 2012 at 11:55 am

    Again, The Sunbelch was never an option. CC burned that bridge a long time ago by suggesting we weren't interested too early in the process.

    Change is coming, one way or another…I promise you that.

  9. Brett

    May 23, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    Midwest. Give us a cryptic clue. Hook us up

  10. JMcCray

    May 23, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    Just like that CUSA membership.

  11. sixtoes9134

    May 23, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    The Sun Belt would be an option if they had reached decision to go to 12 teams in Football, but they haven't and it doesn't appear they will by next Tuesday.


    May 23, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    I'd love to but I can't as I would betray my source. You may have noticed a slight uptick in my attitude over the past 24 hours. That's all I can say.

  13. JMcCray

    May 23, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    Not really. It's hard to pin down the attitude of a bipolar.


    May 23, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    Wait and see.

  15. asu7

    May 23, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    Until it is reported on Appfan …. I am calling BS. I believe our ship has sailed. Even if changes are made it is too late to change. We missed the boat. Hell we didn't even pack our bags.

    Can't wait to play Presby and Gardner Webb after the CAA raids us. SMH

  16. Brett

    May 23, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    Ok Midwest. Last clue. Is your attitude uptick based on leadership direction or program affiliation?

  17. socon

    May 23, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    so appfan is the resource for the legitimacy of news coming out of our athletic dept. right.


    May 23, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    Let's just say that sh*t has finally hit the fan and we have about 14 (maybe 21) days to clean it up. When the "heavy hitters" talk, people either listen…or walk.

  19. Know Nothing

    May 23, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    I AM HEARING THE SAME THING!!!! Expect the announcement that the SEC will be inviting us within the month!



  20. goappsgo92

    May 23, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    I have to agree socon. This is not the place to get factual news on ASU. This blog starts with a sometimes pithy, but quite often smarmy post by the blogger, and the internet takes over from there. If you want to wait on official word ASU7, look to one of the local papers, major sports media outlets, or a press release from ASU… but I'm also sorry to say ASU7, you would be one of the last to know at that point.


    May 23, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    If you say so…

  22. asu7

    May 23, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    socon why don't you go to presby's board or gardner webb's board they would love to have you. This is where we get out news so back off.

  23. asu7

    May 23, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    Where is Provider and little birdie?

    They have some substantial crow to eat. They probably are UNCC alums trying to stir us up.

  24. Brett

    May 23, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    Midwest, or anyone else that might know. Is there a deadline date coming up soon where FCS teams have to move up by? Someone had mentioned the possibly of a 10 year moratorium coming up where there can't be FCS to FBS movement during the moratorium

  25. asu7

    May 23, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    June 1. Brett don't get your hopes up. We are staying here.

  26. goappsgo92

    May 23, 2012 at 12:53 pm


    The proposed moratorium is RUMOR only. The only deadline now is to announce intentions to begin transition to FBS starting next season. June 1st 2012 is the deadline for FCS schools that intend to begin transition process next year.

  27. sixtoes9134

    May 23, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    The moratorium and June 1 are separate issues. June 1 is the deadline if an FCS team were invited to an FBS conference and wanted to start their transition year in 2013. An offer/acceptance after June 1 would equate to 2014. Moratorium is only in discussion right now, but if implemented before we make "said" move, that would be a disaster.

  28. goappsgo92

    May 23, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    So, just to be clear conference invites can an will happen after June 1st 2012, it just means the transition would begin 2014 instead of 2013… unless a waiver is asked for and granted.

  29. ASUGoose

    May 23, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    I think the 10 year moratorium is just speculation. I doubt highly the NCAA would enfore a 10 year waiting period as that would be ludacris with all of the conference realignment and super conferences that will form within the next 2 years.

    Look people, calm down and realize that one way or another we are going to be playing FCS ball this year and I guarantee we will be playing FBS by 2014 when we roll into Ann Arbor. CUSA, Sun Belt, MAC aren't going to do anything until the bigger dominos fall which from what I am hearing should start happening by mid-August at the latest as that is the last date to leave the ACC. I am hearing that FSU and Clemson are done deals to go to the Big 12. The trickle down effect will be that the ACC will have to pluck teams from the Big East.

    Once that happens, the Big East will start pulling from CUSA, or others. It is only a matter of time when a spot will open for us. We can all agree that the lower tier FBS conferences are only concerned with grabbing TV markets until it is known what is going to happen to the high tier conferences.

    Just because we didn't get an invite now doesn't mean that we are not going to get one once the larger dominos begin to fall. We just didn't have our campus in a larger city like Charlotte to get an early invite. This could be a blessing in disguise as we could have a better idea around what will be left of the CUSA and others and we can make a smarter decision as to which conference is best to make a move towards.

    Like I said before, we will be playing in FBS before Charlotte.

    GO 'NEERS!


    May 23, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    the fire has been lit.

  31. Free

    May 23, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    Really? We are having this discussion because of what someone said on twitter? Come on man! How many times have we debated the move to fbs over the past year?!? Give me a f'n break. Who even cares anymore?!? I'm just ready for football season to start!


    May 23, 2012 at 1:14 pm

    No, because of the complete mismanagement of this process over the past few years. The university stands to lose millions in revenue if this deal does not get done. Trust me when I tell you the fire has been lit. It's put up or get out time.

    Trust me. Lit.

  33. Boone Goon

    May 23, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    Do we have an opt-out fee for the SoCon? Can we line up a move to the CAA for 2013 in case we don't get an invite from C-USA?

    The caliber of the SoCon is only getting more watered down and I don't want to be the last ones left when they turn off the lights.

  34. Jack

    May 23, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    No school would leave the ACC for the Big 12. ACC academics are superior to Big 12. The Florida State Administration has already said as much.

  35. Brettt

    May 23, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    As far as academics, Fsu & Clemson are not good. They'll take the $$ and bolt in a second.

  36. Jack

    May 23, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    Settle down folks. This news tells me that ConfUSA is likely still in play for App. The Sunbelt knew they were unlikely to get us and as such decided not to extend an invitation they knew was likely to be rejected at this time.

  37. spenceca

    May 23, 2012 at 1:35 pm

    It's not about academics its about money. That's the motivation for FSU to leave the ACC….

  38. hapapp

    May 23, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    If an invite comes within the next several weeks it will likely have nothing to do with a fire being lit. If it comes it will be because the folks that have been working on this for sometime now will have succeeded.

  39. AppOrange

    May 23, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    It's official, we are going to the . . .

    good grief


    May 23, 2012 at 2:00 pm

    If you don't think there has been a "sit down" you are nuts. The fire is lit and "people" are motivated….because it's f*ck or walk.

  41. hapapp

    May 23, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    The folks involved have been motivated from the start. Stop pretending like you know something.

  42. Appnaysayer

    May 23, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    I continue to read this for comic relief. Every time I tune in, someone else is ginning up rumors of where we're going and that it's going to be soon. Guys, please….GIVE IT UP. The simple truth is that NO ONE WANTS US. No invitations have been extended and likely won't be. Get used to it–at least for a while. Fair or not, we are simply not that attractive to conferences seeking TV exposure and/or name enhancement. Are we good at our level? Yes. Are we outstanding? Maybe, though we have been better. Are we moving up before June 1? I doubt it.

    It's not a reflection on us. It's just, in the words of Walter Cronkite, the way it is. Meanwhile, we've got a pretty good home schedule and, for once, I'm looking forward to going to Conrad. Suggest you do the same.

  43. yosef82

    May 23, 2012 at 2:32 pm


    May 23, 2012 at 6:05 pm

    The folks involved have been motivated from the start. Stop pretending like you know something.

    Well….I am sure as hell glad they were motivated. Because I would have hate to have seen see this Goat Screw if they had not have been.


  44. AppInExile

    May 23, 2012 at 3:53 pm

    Complete goat rodeo. Enough said.

  45. appdreamin

    May 23, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    Conrad? Is that a reflection of your feelings regarding KB, or a Freudian slip. Or both, maybe?

    I miss Cronkite.


    May 23, 2012 at 4:06 pm

    Good intentions is not good enough

  47. SecretService

    May 23, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    Well said Appnaysayer. That's what I have thought since the meeting in Greenville the Friday night before the Furman game. Powers were hoping for a new conference to form from CAA teams, but that was the only plan. NO PLAN B


    May 23, 2012 at 4:21 pm


    I always respect your opinion, but I disagree on the point that no one wants us. We are kind of like sushi (bear with me). Years ago, I didn't understand it, was afraid of it, and refused to try it. Finally, someone sold me on trying it and now I have to have it a few times a week.

    The stark reality is that we have been engaged in a mild version of foreplay (certainly not "Shades of Grey" by any means)while other schools have been smoking cigarettes on the side of the bed three times over. This is actually what happens when you sit back and wait for thinks to happen instead of controlling your own destiny. Like I said, the attitude that "we're just little ole app state" defeatist attitudes (the trailer park mentality)is why we are scrambling at this point.

    All those silly analogies about mom's basement turned out to be 100% correct.

    The fire is lit…


    May 23, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    I intentionally used the word "bear" to get a few chuckles.


    May 23, 2012 at 4:23 pm

    "things to happen" typo sorry

  51. Murray

    May 23, 2012 at 4:51 pm

    T.M.I. Doc Bozo. "having Blue Balls" over not going FBS to the Sun-Bitch confirms what you do in your grandmother's basement to yourself.

    You guys need to see the debt that App is in….. We are going No Where. App is scraping for every dollar it can find.

  52. Know Nothing

    May 23, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    FBS = Profit Gain… how do you all not understand this?

  53. Brett

    May 23, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    As far a dollars go, I hope they realize that interest and therefore donations will rise with a move up

  54. AppWyo

    May 23, 2012 at 5:04 pm

    Well it looks like the SEC and ACC will be fighting it out over us and we will go to C-USA, because we really want to play ECU and UNCC every year.

  55. SunBelt Fan

    May 23, 2012 at 5:18 pm

    Don't worry everyone. Your invite will come soon! App St, GA Southern, and Sam Houston St. will be FBS soon and if they land in the sunbelt i think you could see great things to come!!!

  56. Boone Goon

    May 23, 2012 at 5:23 pm

    Thanks SunBelt Fan! We'd love to be there. And we hope to see you in Boone for a game real soon.

  57. SunBelt Fan

    May 23, 2012 at 5:28 pm

    And Boone Goon I hope to see you in TROY real soon!

    GO TROY and GO App ST

  58. human being

    May 23, 2012 at 6:20 pm

    Sun Belt commish Karl Benson said Jax St, Ga Southern, Liberty, App St looked into joining Sun Belt and now will explore WAC fb membership

    This would be better than nothing. Once we are in i think we will get a great OOC schedule.

  59. SecretService

    May 23, 2012 at 6:27 pm

    Has anyone considered the Big 10?

  60. C-Town 'Neer

    May 23, 2012 at 6:29 pm

    I agree that would be better than where we are now. Maybe that would give us some bargaining power down the road.

  61. AppUSMC

    May 23, 2012 at 8:06 pm

    Reading Midwest's posts reminded me of this clip…

  62. Asumaverick

    May 23, 2012 at 8:23 pm

    I wouldn't be so sure that what any conference commissioner says is rock-solid currently. Apparently the entire college sports world is still rather fluid in regards to realignment and addition of teams.

    I can't speak for the ASU Athletic Dept. but I can't think that a little heat from the Yosef Club and other big donors and sponsors have got to be reaching some office doors by now.


    May 24, 2012 at 3:15 am

    Let's just say that the tv remote has been taken away from the guy in mom's basement. He now has to get up out of the "lazy boy" to change the channels. Oh and the meatloaf…cut off.


    May 24, 2012 at 3:31 am

    Question for everyone: Would you prefer that we join the MAC with may JMU or the WAC with Liberty, Jville State, Georgia Southern, etc.

    It would be interesting to see the following:

    WAC West:


    Montana St

    ND State

    NM State


    *maybe East Wash or Cal Poly

    WAC East



    GA Southern




  65. bcoach

    May 24, 2012 at 4:03 am

    What I don't understand about that is one of your complaints is that FCS is JV. What you outline here is FCS without playoffs. I don't get it. Is the real problem you have that we just have too many games?

  66. JohnnyBurrito

    May 24, 2012 at 4:05 am

    This is like a nerd getting invited over you to play basketball with the cool group in school just b/c he has a hot mom and she may show up to get him when the game is done.

  67. Son of Yosef

    May 24, 2012 at 4:06 am

    I'm sorry,that's not an FBS league. That's an FCS league with an FBS league's name.

  68. asumike83

    May 24, 2012 at 4:08 am

    This new WAC East could possibly end up being the "new regional FBS conference" we've been hearing about. If JMU, GSU and Delaware are in and the NCAA grants the necessary waivers to allow it to happen and not make scheduling an absolute nightmare, it could be a good thing. I'd prefer to join an established FBS league but the idea is growing on me. My only question is whether it's football only or all-sports? Flying all our Olympic sports out west would be tough and I'm not sure the SoCon would have any reason to let us take away the cash cow and sponsor the other sports.

    Would love to keep playing SoCon baseball. Us and GSU would absolutely dominate baseball in that new league if it were all-sports, although I think Jacksonville State has a decent program. Our baseball team is looking great and has a bright future.

    Either way, WAC, MAC, Sun Belt or even SoCon, I'll be there. Go App!

  69. Benfar

    May 24, 2012 at 4:41 am

    After listening to Cobb's round of interviews it seems our priorities have been:

    1. To lobby C-USA for an invite. This is obviously the best scenario right now with ECU, UNCc, ODU, Marshall in an eastern division. Apparently, ECU's AD wants us and sees our plight similar to their efforts to move to the Big East (questions about market, accessibility, ect)

    2. Create a new conference – Maybe this concept of moving up with other FCS teams to the WAC has been the idea all along, but I doubt it. Likely the WAC is just the easiest way to make it happen in some form. In theory, we would maintain regional competition with GaSo, JMU, Delaware, Jacksonville St, and Liberty. Cobb mentioned this idea of a "new conference" with other FCS teams in one interview without any real prompting.

    3. Sun Belt – move up with GaSo. It appears the Sun Belt wants this, but has been snubbed (for now) as we wait on the first two options.

    In any case, none of these "plans" seem to be for the 2013 season which would explain the lack of urgency. Some of these other FCS teams are not as far along as we are preparing for a move up (GaSo) and if the goal is to move with them, that was never intended to be next year.

  70. asu7

    May 24, 2012 at 4:42 am

    Glorified FCS beats playing in D2 succon private league at this point.


    May 24, 2012 at 4:59 am

    There is a reality to this situation. A conference of elite FCS teams is better than playing FCS bottom feeders. We have screwed up this situation royally, so we need to work with what we have left at this point. Besides, it will give us a chance to play stronger out of conference teams. The whole idea is formidable opponents every week, not just once or twice a year.

    Again, just the reality of our sad situation. It didn't have to be this way, but now we have backed ourselves in somewhat of a corner.

  72. bcoach

    May 24, 2012 at 5:01 am

    Here is the bottom line guys. If the socon is such a sucky div 2 conference why are we not undefeated over the last 5-10 years? If we can't go undefeated in JV div 2 for even 1 season in the last 5 years we don't belong in FBS. This crap of slamming what we have accomplished is kindergarten crap. State what you want to do, where you want us to go, without this div2, JV bull$hit. Grow up or walk into the locker room and tell the players they were only good enough to get into a JV div2 conference. This crap is getting old. If we have been playing in a conference that is so far below us then our accomplishments mean nothing and we have nothing to offer an FBS conference. Is that what you think?


    May 24, 2012 at 5:02 am

    Also, consider some of the newco juco teams in CUSA and Sunbelt. App, JMU, Delaware, and JMU will eat their lunch on the field.

  74. ASU-LAW

    May 24, 2012 at 5:11 am


    I don't even think that last post was the real bcoach. He referred to our division as D2…

  75. Boone Goon

    May 24, 2012 at 5:18 am

    bcoach is right!

    State what you want, and quit waffleing back and forth. We can't scoff at our alma mater's leadership for their lack of a clear plan when we can't consistently articulate what we want.

    I want:

    1) Better competition at the Rock! Whether that's Montana, McNeese State, ECU, Marshall, Liberty, JMU, Wake, or any other team.

    2) A schedule with alternating home/away games.

    3) I'm willing to accept 1 (NOT 2), ONE cupcake game, preferrably the week after we play our payday game against an SEC/Big 10/Big 12 team.

    4) I don't care what conference (or subdivision)we're in if I can have 1, 2 and 3.

  76. Benfar

    May 24, 2012 at 5:24 am

    We basically have that now..

  77. Dr. Gonzo

    May 24, 2012 at 5:35 am

    CUSA>SBC>Zombie WAC>SoCon

  78. chAmPPs

    May 24, 2012 at 5:45 am

    This whole thing could very easily blow up nationally over the next week. If Clemson, FSU, Miami and one more bolt the ACC, it will expose the ACC for what it is. A conference where football programs go to die. And, it very well could create the dominos falling again.

    However, if this happens, it is my opinion that is relegates the ACC to borderline BCS status and it will be virtually impossible for them to pull in schools that carry anywhere near the same weight as those departing schools. Because of the ACC's national power in basketball, it could be the best thing for non-BCS conferences if this happens. It will be hard to justify keeping the ACC in the collusion that is the current BCS without including other conferences that will no doubt display stronger on field performances and revenue. I personally am pulling for those schools mentioned to bolt.

  79. Keith

    May 24, 2012 at 5:47 am

    The WAC looks like the only viable option. It really looks like a lot of schools are scrambling.

    Can someone with knowledge clarify this for me. It is my understanding that if we are FBS in 2013 when we play Georgia, the payout if 850K. However, if we are FCS it is 450K. The deadline to be a transitional FBS school in 2013 is next week, June 1st. Therefore, if we don't don't announce our intention by next Friday we lose $400K?

    Am I understanding that correctly?

  80. v

    May 24, 2012 at 5:51 am

    @benfar, Cobb never talked to the sun belt.

    This is what teams who actually are "lobbying" for fbs do.

    @midwest "elite fcs teams" sort of like "Jumbo Shrimp"

    You can make all the comments you want about "sunbelch" and "bottom feeders" but numbers dont lie. The three sun belt bowls each posted tv ratings 25-50% higher than the FCS championship game.

  81. Boone Goon

    May 24, 2012 at 5:58 am

    This article posted on 5/16 is a complete change to the CFB system taking complete control away from the university power brokers, which means it won't happen, but crazy times call for crazy ideas! In short, it's basically the European soccer approach to league affiliation.

    benfar, we have a decent home schedule this year, but last year's was awful. 3 consecutive home games against NC A&T, Savannah St. and UTC, followed by 2 away, back for 2 home and so on…2010 had consecutive home games twice.

  82. bcoach

    May 24, 2012 at 6:10 am


    That was me. I was referring to those that call us that while having a kindergarten tantrum. I do understand that we are a Div 1 team and am proud of who we are and what we have done. I hate leaving FCS and the possibility of a true Nat champ but the decision has been made. I also realize why. If you really want to move ahead you don't downplay your accomplishments. What you do say is that we have played all that would play us and have a damn good record. We DON"T say we play in a JV Div 2 conference and still don't win them all. You don't make yourself look weak.

  83. Dr. Gonzo

    May 24, 2012 at 6:13 am

    "If you really want to move ahead you don’t downplay your accomplishments."


    To add to that, if you really want to move ahead, you don't downplay your future either.

    There are few people on here that maintain this balance.

  84. appthunder90

    May 24, 2012 at 6:25 am


    very well said. much deserved on this board.


    May 24, 2012 at 6:47 am

    I have always said to believe in the power and the glory of App State. We have been better than the conference as a whole for years and that is the truth.

    The problem comes back to marketing. If you are not familiar with App State and have never been to Boon, the name "Appalachian" has a negative connotation, regardless of wins and losses.

    To some, Appalachian means "backwards", "racist", "uncultured", "illiterate", etc. The fact that some of these conf commissioners have never been to Boone (or even Charlotte to witness our fan base) suggest to me that we dropped the ball in a big way during the "sales" process.

    Boulder of the East with an Ivy league twist. Oh, by the way, we have a kick ass athletics program. Everything you need to know is contained in those two statements.

    Instead, we make excuse after excuse because "we're just little ole App State" and nobody loves us. Bullsh*t!!! Believe in the power and glory of App State, bleed black and gold, or get the hell out.


    May 24, 2012 at 6:48 am


  87. Russ

    May 24, 2012 at 6:50 am

    Champps I laid out a scenario like that 2 days ago. If those 4 teams leave the ACC, I would not be surprised to get the invite. The ACC and the college presedents and AD's have probably had back door meetings and decided being known as the best in basketball is just as profitable thanks to march madness(although I have no idea if it is)they will allow the football programs to suffer BCS wise, and although they may lose some coaches who prefer to play in the big 12's or SEC's conferences, they can be replaced with younger quality coaches moving up the ladders. Seeing the ACC invite APP Marshall ECU and Navy under this scenario will allow these 4 school to compete and grow their BBall and Football programs, bring their existing mens and womens olympic sports to a higher level of competition while keeping their academic integrity as a whole.

  88. Russ

    May 24, 2012 at 6:52 am

    I dont say this often but well said Midwest

  89. Russ

    May 24, 2012 at 6:57 am

    If anyone is wondering why I include Navy, it is because they have played ECU for the past few years, have competitive geographically local sports teams and an excellent academic reputation

  90. MJT

    May 24, 2012 at 7:05 am

    Agreed, Russ.

    Midwest was spot on in his last post.

  91. AppWyo

    May 24, 2012 at 7:08 am

    I think App State will look like real geniuses, when it is all said and done. Good things come to those who wait. I would like to see us in a conference where all of the teams are in the same timezone, even though that is not the case in the SoCon right now.


    May 24, 2012 at 7:28 am

    Keep in mind, a new WAC may actually be stronger than SBC or CUSA. I would also not rule out a newly configured MAC.

    We have nothing to be ashamed of and nothing for which to apologize (as a school). We are App State and we will settle things on the field. All we need is an opportunity…and it will present itself shortly. We are going to make some of these schools look like high schools once it is all said and done. I really believe that.

  93. NWA

    May 24, 2012 at 7:30 am

    "Seeing the ACC invite APP Marshall ECU and Navy under this scenario"

    LOL you appy's kill me. ASU in the ACC? So let me get this right – you couldn't get into CUSA, BE or SBC and are just hoping maybe to stay on the radar for WAC – but you honestly think the ACC wants you? I don't see why they would want ECU let alone App. They already own this state and neither of you bring anything to the table. Hell half of App's campus are already Chapel Hill basketball fans. I know, I have been there.

    The best thing you can hope for is that the dominos open a slot in CUSA. ACC brings in Rutgers, UCONN maybe L'Ville or Nova and then the BE takes some combo of ECU, Charlotte, Marshall, USM, UAB leaving a slot for App.

    Or the BE basketball schools and football schools split and the remaining football schools rejoin CUSA ending your FBS dreams for awhile.

    ACC – ya'll are funny.

  94. Dr. Gonzo

    May 24, 2012 at 7:40 am

    "Hell half of App’s campus are already Chapel Hill basketball fans."

    If you'd ever like to visit Boone for the first time, I'd be happy to show you around. That is a JOKE.

    The UNCc troll is right about one thing though. The ACC possibility it laughable.


    May 24, 2012 at 7:47 am

    UNC is the laughing stock of the nation right now, so Tarholes shouldn't be throwing punches. Outside of NC, no one respects UNC in anything but hoops. On top of that, they don't even have the nads to schedule us, so they all should shut their pie holes. Seriously, in the midwest and west coast, people think of UNC as they would Delaware or Maine…just not even on the radar.

  96. Russ

    May 24, 2012 at 7:53 am

    I fell in love with App uh la chun from day 1. I knew i wanted a mountain atmosphere, but had no idea ASU existed until coach mance recruited me. when I found out we had D1 soccer also, and rex hooked me up with a housing spot everything else fell into place. In 1991 our little heaven was the best kept secret in the nation. my tuition out of state minus a little scholarship cash was only about 3 grand a semester. the sports medicine and exercise science programs were already nationally respected as leaders in research and in education. The b-school was top notch and coming into its own, and technology program was setting its footers to be a leader in the world. Our football program had elliot, saterfield, coakley, it was awesome. Not to mention curte girls with sweet voices from all over the south, our beautiful mountains and rivers, the caribbean cafe and nickle draft at Los Arcos. It was by far the most significant decision I had made that has effected my overall life. My life would not even be close to as great as it is had I not gone to App. Career, family amd the best of my friends all began Aug 16 1991 when I checked into Cannon, and reported to the soccer meeeting

  97. chAmPPs

    May 24, 2012 at 7:59 am

    I did not intend for that post to mean I am under any false illusion that App is within 10+ years of the ACC. That's not happening. If they lose those football schools, they can't be replaced. At that point the ACC will most likely posture themselves as a basketball conference, like they've always been.

    There will have to be some major artificial pride swallowed and a hard dose of reality will have to settle in on the remaining schools. And, I think App, as a football school, might eventually have better options. Just have to get this first step taken.

  98. Zen

    May 24, 2012 at 8:09 am

    If those 4 teams leave the ACC, I would not be surprised to get the invite.

    Russ, you would be the only person in the country who wouldn't be surprised.

    The odds of App getting an ACC invite are worse than being struck by lightning the same day you win the lottery.

  99. ChAmPPs

    May 24, 2012 at 8:12 am

    Can someone post a link or copy a story that addresses UNCC's invite as being based on UNCC's sports accomplishments? I have yet to find anything about them that isn't based on the fact that they are in Charlotte. After all, this is about sports conferences, but they are talked about almost exclusively as a "market", not a school. By that definition, any school in Charlotte that was building a football field would have been their competition in that market. That's reality. There really is no comparison from a school standpoint.

    One last question cause I've never heard this addressed. Has any school in the state ever defeated a number 5 team on the road other than App?

  100. MIDWEST

    May 24, 2012 at 8:16 am

    Great post, Russ. Some people think of college graduation as one of the happiest days of their life. For me, it was one of the saddest for it meant concluding one of the best chapters of my life.

  101. brobot

    May 24, 2012 at 8:18 am

    Russ, you haven't done your homework.

    The ACC consists of highly selective research institutions. There would be no reason at all to bring App State into that league, as the ACC already owns the state of NC.

    It would take a major defection a la the SoCon eighty years ago to even sniff that possibility. Furthermore, App would need to add 10-20 doctoral programs and somehow increase enrollment while becoming more selective…which is a goal of almost every college.

  102. brobot

    May 24, 2012 at 8:21 am


    C-USA is looking for strategically-placed bodies; almost nothing about academic quality or non-football quality matters. If Davidson had scholarship football and a 20,000 seat stadium, it could have just as easily been their invitation to accept, rather than UNCC.

  103. AppWyo

    May 24, 2012 at 8:30 am

    Regardless of where App ends up or stays it will still be a great school. I have never met anyone that graduated from App that hatted it.

  104. Deano

    May 24, 2012 at 8:42 am

    Russ, loved your post. Me and you were there the same exact time. I absolutely loved Caribbean Cafe. I visited many schools when I was a senior in high school. I walked on the campuses of, Duke, Chapel Hill, State and ECU and none of them was as beautiful as ASU. The first time I stepped on campus I was with my parents and it was game day, two students walked by us with a pony keg and asked if I wanted any, obviously I was under the drinking age and my parents were watching so I had to say no, but the atmosphere was amazing. I knew that is where I would go to school. Most of the best memories of my life took place at ASU.

  105. asu7

    May 24, 2012 at 8:48 am

    BCoach …

    I was thinking of the future of the succon. If CAA raids and then UTC leaves we are going to get stuck with the Presby's and GWebb's of the world. That might as well be D2.

    Our previous SOCON championships are awesome and it was no small feat to win as many as we did in a row. Not belittling those babies. However when Presby and GWebb join then what are we really winning?

    So a glorified elite FCS league that happens to be in the FBS is better than what we would be left with here in the succon.

    If UTC and GaSo leave the succon then it might as well be a d2 league.

  106. MIDWEST

    May 24, 2012 at 8:48 am

    Expansion based mainly on population density will come back to haunt some of these conferences. At some point, they have to perform in the classroom and and on the field. Conferences will regret not inviting us and we will be the winners in the end.

    App is a black pearl and the rest of these newco jucos are plastic beads.

  107. C-Town 'Neer

    May 24, 2012 at 8:55 am


    What happened to that info you had yesterday? Any updates?

  108. Benfar

    May 24, 2012 at 9:05 am


    In your link to Tx State they released their marketing proposal after accepting an invite. What makes you think App does have a proposal? Because Cobb didn't post it online?

    He seems to get tunnel vision on his first priority and then rushes to put together a back up plan only if it doesn't work out. Look at Buzz…

    And I said that the Sunbelt seems more interested in App than App is in it, at least right now.

  109. MadDoctor

    May 24, 2012 at 9:06 am

    As far as UNCC goes, I hate to "give the devil his due" but up until a few years ago,, they had a very competitive basketball program that competed well against Louisville, Cincy, Memphis , Marquette.. I believe they have bee to the tournament more in the past 15 years than State has. Their soccer team lost by one to UNC in the national championship last year and their baseball team made a couple of deep runs, as well. Ironically, besides basketball, they have dominated the A-10!

    With that said, they still have embarrassingly low fan support. This will be brought to light during their difficult first years of losing football.

    As far as the ACC (Ain't Coming Close), some of you have put them way too high on a pedestal. Miami and Virginia Tech aren't exactly Harvard and Yale, and I know of several students who have recently chosen App over NC State. And surely, if EZU receives any consideration, App should as well. I'm not saying we belong in the ACC, not because of inferior academics. After all, if we had that African Studies program they have at UNC, we'd have a great number of honor graduates, The ACC has now been exposed as a weak football conference, and their schools will soon be like rats jumping off a sinking ship. Serves them right for escalating all of this expansion garbage,

    ASU is resilient and will be fine, long after the dust settles.

  110. Know Nothing

    May 24, 2012 at 9:11 am

  111. Benfar

    May 24, 2012 at 9:11 am

    By the way, what are the numbers on our alumni in Charlotte? How does that compare to UNCc's?

    I see App stickers everywhere in Raleigh, and know we have more in Charlotte than Raleigh.

  112. chAmPPs

    May 24, 2012 at 9:19 am


    You miss the point. If this was about success in the arena we're in much more elevated conversations. Those accomplishments by UNCC are hardly mentioned and do not matter. If accomplishments mattered, they're out of the conversation because there is no accomplishment in football, and everybody knows that's what's driving the bus.

    It has nothing to do with that school and everything to do with Charlotte.

  113. asu7

    May 24, 2012 at 9:19 am

    One thing is for sure. I will value both my APP degrees over any other schools' degrees.

    App>uncc always

    These Charlotte folks are banking their bragging rights early. I hope they schedule us even though we will be FCS we will stomp the living shiznit out of them!

  114. neato

    May 24, 2012 at 9:24 am

    Good gosh, we cant do anything about it right now. Another season starts soon, IN THE FCS. Our track and field just killed it at some invitationals, and the baseball team might be the best team ever at App. I love App footall, but we have more sports, and all disciplines are pretty dang great right now. Go APP!!!

  115. Russ

    May 24, 2012 at 9:47 am

    I agree with all of you, and I am well aware of the unlikelyhood/impossibility…and I would be very, very surprised…but I love to play chess, and I am seeing moves by AD's and confrences that had to of started with cigars and cocktails at someones lake house, and they are starting to move their pieces. Our university can become as good as wake. I put us as good academically as State, but the student pop numbers are not there simply on popularity. But I would put our academic standards, programs, and athletic success on par with State. But from an academic research and athletics dollars point of view we are missing out because 1) they have beeen playing the game longer, and 2)their traditions have been established longer as university systems offering a larger variety of undergrad and grad programs. Remember we were simply a teaching college for much of our first 100 years. But we are not now…it may be in the ASU/ACC 10 year plan. Fact is we are one of the best mid sized universities in the south_Period> We have a Great track and Field program that needs to compete in a better conf. We have shown this year with baseball we are getting the recruits and coaching to compete with the best in the nation. Our wrestlers and volleyball teams are right there too> You put our womens bball teams in an acc recruiting pool and we start getting 4 star national recruits in because we can offer them full rides where the in state and regional schools cannot because of scholarship limitations. If I were a chancellor and AD, and I laid out a 10 year plan, I could see that as a goal for the university.

  116. ASU-LAW

    May 24, 2012 at 9:58 am

    We need more graduate level programs.. high level programs at that. Problem is our location makes it difficult to establish those programs. Most law schools are located in metropolitan areas, unfortunately Boone is not "metropolitan". Same thing with medical schools, they are located in high population density regions… Boone is low density.

    There are always exceptions, and i certainly think ASU could meet those exceptions… at the end of the day it is still tough to establish those programs..

  117. speedkingATL

    May 24, 2012 at 10:00 am

    Think I'll draw my attention to our DIVISION 1 NATIONALLY RANKED BASEBALL TEAM as they make their push to the NCAA College World Series.

    Go Diamond Apps.

  118. Sunbelt Fan

    May 24, 2012 at 10:23 am

    The only reason the Sunbelt is saying that is because Idaho and New Mexico state want in. The sunbelt does not want them. App State, GA Southern, and Sam Houston St is who they want!!! Don't worry your invite will come soon!

    Go TROY TroJans and Go App ST!!!

  119. NWA

    May 24, 2012 at 10:34 am

    Gonzo I have been to ASU on plenty of occasions. Went to a fraternity party where the majority of the crowd was glued to a NC State/Chapel Hill game. Another time visiting a girlfriend they had a Chapel Hill Duke viewing party on campus – I don't recall the building we went to. Another time in Boone after a ski trip at a friends apartment every apartment in the building was watching Chapel Hill Duke. In every one of these cases the crowd was entirely Chapel Hill fans. I know 15 or so ASU football season ticket fans and nearly all of them are Chapel Hill basketball fans and the few that aren't just don't follow college basketball.

    My point being I love ya'll's passion, but to act like some of your sh!t don't stink is funny. Face it ASU fans love them some Mountainer football – just don't let that get in the way of Chapel Hill. Infact I bet a good portion of your fanbase would be quite conflicted in a game vs. Chapel Hill in any sport.

  120. Russ

    May 24, 2012 at 10:49 am

    NWA- I am a carolina basketball fan,I enjoy watching their basketball team play. I dislike duke and state, although I think ratface is one of the greatest coaches/leaders of sports history. During NCAA tourneys or bowl games I have caught myself cheering for many teams located in NC…even frickin asheville…But when it comes to loyalties that is what is different about our alumni and fans. We allways want our team to succeed and our. When we played carolina last december, I showed up to our normal viewing party with my black and gold on. Dont question our loyalty, especially in this forum.

  121. Dr. Gonzo

    May 24, 2012 at 10:55 am

    Well if you went to a frat party, you should have expected ubiquitous douchebaggery anyway. I'm not trying to deny that we have a Tar Hole Basketball bandwagon problem at ASU, but your handful of samples are not representative at all and to say that "half" ASU students are Tar Hole fans is ridiculous. See the following blog post of mine for more specifics.

  122. Dr. Gonzo

    May 24, 2012 at 10:57 am

    Russ, UNC vs App last season. Who did you pull for?

  123. NWA

    May 24, 2012 at 11:00 am

    Russ – the people who support their teams on a forum online are obviously the die hard fans, my comments were not directed at anyone here. The comment is that your fan base, just like any non ACC fanbase in this state struggles to pull fans, students and alumni away from the ACC schools they grew up watching. To act like that isn't an issue at App is over looking a major problem you and many other in state schools (mostly ECU, Charlotte and App) have.

    ECU fans LOVE football but rarely support basketball (not in top 100)

    App fans LOVE football but rarely support basketball (not in top 100) or other sports (I know many of you blame that on your location)

    Charlotte historically has ranked high in supporting basketball (#87) and recently soccer, football is an unknown

  124. NWA

    May 24, 2012 at 11:03 am

    Fair enough Gonzo – I can only go by what I see…

    Every App fan I know is a Chapel Hill fan.

    I went to a Chapel Hill viewing party on your campus.

    And I will give you the fraternity party was full of douchebags.

    I am making a leap by saying half of your students – but I am also stating the truth by saying 100% of the App people I know are Chapel Hill basketball fans – except for one who likes Duke.

  125. bcoach

    May 24, 2012 at 11:05 am

    I do watch ACC basketball and would watch ASU if I could but I will tell you this. I would not pull for baby blue if they were playing the Russian national team. I thank god those season ticket holders don't sit with me.

  126. ASU-LAW

    May 24, 2012 at 11:10 am

    Dr. Gonzo,

    Hey Hey now! Fraternity guys are not ALL douches.

  127. Russ

    May 24, 2012 at 11:14 am

    Gonzo Black and Gold on Dec 17 we were within 8 at half time I think…but I was kinda drunk by then< I agreed to do a shot every time we hit a 3

  128. Dr. Gonzo

    May 24, 2012 at 11:44 am

    Sorry Law, there are a few exceptions.

    Russ, good to hear.

  129. AppWyo

    May 24, 2012 at 11:54 am

    One thing not to forget is that UNCC was in C-USA before you had to be a football school to be in that conference.

  130. bcoach

    May 24, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    Just a few though, right Dr G(:

  131. Dr. Gonzo

    May 24, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    <10% coach

  132. apppreacher

    May 24, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    I graduated from App in 77, and I have never pulled for powder blue.

  133. APP88

    May 24, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    According to my "sources", Corey Lynch is now Charger.

  134. MAD Doctor

    May 24, 2012 at 12:43 pm


    You asked, "Can someone post a link or copy a story that addresses UNCC’s invite as being based on UNCC’s sports accomplishments? I have yet to find anything about them that isn’t based on the fact that they are in Charlotte."

    The following is from the CUSA webpage, where they give a rationale for each of the first five teams invited to join CUSA (excluding ODU):

    Charlotte has an enrollment of 25,063 and sponsors 16 sports, with football beginning competition in 2013. In 2015, the team will play a full conference schedule in the NCAA Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS). The 49ers are making a return to C-USA, where they were members from 1995-2005. During that time, Charlotte went to eight NCAA Tournaments in men's basketball, winning the C-USA Championship in 1999 and 2001. Charlotte is the No. 25 media market, reaching more than 1.1 million households.

    There is also a link to additional Charlotte information, including their soccer achievements.

    I don't see how basketball tourney appearances, Soccer championship appearances, and CWS appearances "don't matter." While I agree football is driving expansion in general, AD's are looking at the entire picture, including academics, student population and alumni base, other sports, and in our case-location. Charlotte may have gotten the bid primarily because of being in a large market, but that market has to compete with an NFL team, NBA team (sort of), and an ACC tradition and large alumni base. They will see that Charlotte was no slam dunk after all.

  135. Russ

    May 24, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    I think they picked them so they can go to nascar races and use the UNCC box…actually if they put uprights in the infield at CLT Motr Spedway and ran local stock car races during UNCC football games they might be able to match our attendance. AND we would both have tracks around our fields

  136. Dr. Gonzo

    May 24, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    Don't forget the transient fanbase Doc. The most important thing about UNCC that will prove that CUSA made a bad decision is the 4 fans in the stands when/if they start taking bad loses.

  137. AppWyo

    May 24, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    Winston-Salem State University already has that NASCAR setup in Bowman Gray Stadium.

  138. chAmPPs

    May 24, 2012 at 1:30 pm


    Sorry buddy. You're obviously a good App man. But, please don't be nieve and buy into that "CUSA" release. They have to give some type of justification for a school that brings nothing in the form of a football program to a football expansion.

    Show me media, unbiased like a release by a party to the decision, on the national level that didn't put the overwhelming weight of this pick on one thing; Charlotte the city.

    Their athletic department has one thing to do with this pick; they have one.

  139. Appnaysayer

    May 24, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    First of all "WAC East" is an oxymoron. They should at least change the name. Second, that IS an FCS conference with an FBS designation. Third, I just don't see it happening. Who, at the FBS level is going to take a conference with the teams suggested here seriously?

  140. spenceca

    May 24, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    Many people would take it seriously. Most of those teams on the list could already stick it to the revamped CUSA with all their start up programs.

  141. MAD Doctor

    May 24, 2012 at 2:25 pm


    Not naive (note correct spelling), just providing information. Believe what you will- There is no doubt if UNCC was located in Murphy we wouldn't be having the discussion. However, to be objective, one can't simply disregard the importance of final fours, conference championships, national championship runner-ups, enrollment, etc… If the Charlotte market was ALL that mattered, why not Davidson?

    I'd love to play the forty-whiners on the field, but Judy Rose will never let that happen. She'd play Alabama and LSU before she'd let them come to the "Rock".

  142. AppOrange

    May 24, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    So would most people

  143. AppOrange

    May 24, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    For all those who argue no one respects ASU (outside of NC), have a read. It may not be the NY Times, but it makes my point.

  144. AppMan

    May 24, 2012 at 4:27 pm

    The books aren't closed on CUSA yet!

  145. BooneAPP

    May 24, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    Middie you come off as a sad, delusional, bafoon. Please start your own miserable blog and make an appropriate applology to APPFAN.COM. First it was done deal, then the closer, now heavy hitters and an unnamable insider… histerical. You are a fine case against Freedom of Speech. When the cards fall just as planned by the powers that be I imagine you will hike up your skirt and take credit for it saying "I told you so."

  146. MIDWEST

    May 24, 2012 at 5:19 pm

    Thanks for caring.

  147. AppInExile

    May 24, 2012 at 6:29 pm

    This thread has completely DERAILED.

    Too much depression, angst and self-loathing.

    Have a good weekend, ladies and gentlemen. I'm headed down to the coast to jump on the fishing boat and think about anything and everything except the FBS conference invite hysteria that has consumed this thread.

  148. Appnaysayer

    May 25, 2012 at 4:07 am

    "Conrad? Is that a reflection of your feelings regarding KB, or a Freudian slip. Or both, maybe?"

    It's intentional. I don't like having a stadium named for a convicted felon. Sends the wrong message. Suggests athletic programs will do anything for money. Oh, wait….

    Here's something I read in the Charlotte Observer the other day by the guy who hosts "NC Spin" on public TV. Can't remember his name. Anyway, in the wake of all the scandals and scrambling for TV money, he suggested that universities stop handing out seats on BOTs to "money people" (that is big donors, likely big donors, etc.). Better, he thinks, to go with people who have made quality contributions–humanitarians, writers, intellectuals, those who champion justice and equality or otherwise reflect true university values–or have a well-defined social conscience. Then, he reasons, athletics and the almighty dollar might properly take a back seat to more important goals. And the investment would be long-term instead of short-term. Not a bad idea. The business of a university is not business….whatever Calvin Coolidge once said.

  149. MIDWEST

    May 25, 2012 at 5:45 am

    OMG…spare us the socialist spew. Yes, let's all sit around in grass huts and talk about creating a communist society. Nothing gets done without a vibrant economy, period. No freedom, no cures, no education…nothing.

    Obama lovers (O-bots) continue to demonize capitalism at their own peril. There sure is a lot of "virtue" coming out of the most corrupt administration in history.

    Liberalism and Socialism has failed everywhere in the world it has been tried. Can we please get back to business now. Free market capitalism is the only answer…period.

  150. Little Birdie

    May 25, 2012 at 5:53 am

    Little Birdie needs a Brian Quick update. Any news on #8 from camp?

  151. socon

    May 25, 2012 at 5:55 am

    im sure those fans would make for a raucous crowd…

  152. socon

    May 25, 2012 at 6:00 am

    never have and never will be any fan of any sport outside of ASU in our own state. just to go on record that there are in fact non-unc non-duke and non-fill in the blank N.C. schools that are committed and devoted to all things ASU period. UNC can have their sweaters and bball titles

  153. Roachgone

    May 25, 2012 at 6:12 am

    Hey midwest,hope you are right on your prediction but based on your claim that CUSA was a done deal a year ago I don't think your sources are as good as you think. I'm beginning to think we are screwed. Another 10 yrs. of smallcon and we'll be back to 12000 fans at games and be so far behind it will be impossible to recover for a move up.I hope you know what you're talking about but I doubt it.

  154. MIDWEST

    May 25, 2012 at 6:32 am

    I just spoke with an administrator at Liberty University. They are projected to have 90,000 students (including online) by the end of the year. Their vision is to be the Christian version of the University of Phoenix, the largest college/university in the world. It may not be bad to be in a conference with them.

  155. MIDWEST

    May 25, 2012 at 6:40 am

    Hmmmm…looks like Obama may not be so "smart" after all.

  156. MIDWEST

    May 25, 2012 at 6:53 am

    Ask yourself why all of Obama's educational records are sealed. Why do we know GW Bush's SAT score, but we don't know Obama's? The guy is a phony, complete phony. Saying that he is the smartest president of all time is racist because what liberals are really saying is that he is smart for black guy.

    The Democrat party is STILL the party of segregation, slavery, and socialism. No escaping the truth.

  157. Boone Goon

    May 25, 2012 at 7:09 am

    Am I on the right board??? Midwest…HUH?!

    we have 6 days until we lock in for 2013…let's stay on topic can we?

  158. MIDWEST

    May 25, 2012 at 7:15 am

    My good friend Nay started it.

  159. Brett

    May 25, 2012 at 7:20 am

    Midwest, love you, but BO might be the smartest person I've ever heard, don't care what an SAT score might say. I'm mostly for the GOP, but they have gotten too far right this decade and almost all their policies favor the rich. 90's higher rates equaled growth. 2000's lower rates equaled absolute stagnation. Facts are facts.

  160. Brett

    May 25, 2012 at 7:21 am

    Talking politics is tedious. People believe what they believe and there is nothing anyone can say or do to change people's minds. That being said, does anyone have any useful info on where App goes from here or what's going on. Do we have to do anything or declare any intentions before June 1?

  161. appthunder90

    May 25, 2012 at 7:35 am

    how did those high rates work out for jimmy carter?

  162. appthunder90

    May 25, 2012 at 7:36 am

    most would argue the gop has gone farther left recently..

  163. AppInExile

    May 25, 2012 at 7:38 am

    And some would argue that they're merely two sides of the same coin. Why waste time listening to any of them?

  164. MAD Doctor

    May 25, 2012 at 8:05 am


  165. Brett

    May 25, 2012 at 8:14 am

    Not a huge JC fan, but 11m jobs aint. Did you do better in the 90's or 2000's? Exactly

  166. Benfar

    May 25, 2012 at 8:44 am

    That link about BO doesn't say anything about what his actual SAT scores were. Was W an Editor of the Harvard Law Review?

    BTW, I think it is time someone from App runs for President.

    Midwest as Ron Paul or Appnaysayer as Nicolas Sarkozy?

  167. C-Town 'Neer

    May 25, 2012 at 8:57 am

    does anyone have any solid leads as to what CC or anyone else is doing to work our way into FBS?

  168. appdreamin

    May 25, 2012 at 9:14 am

    "most would argue the gop has gone farther left recently.."

    Some, undoubtedly. But most? Not unless the sample was limited to Tea Party folks.

  169. Apps_Aj11

    May 25, 2012 at 9:19 am

    GOP = Diet Democrat. Bottom line: the federal government exists primarily to protect freedom, not provide goods and services. The entitlement state needs to die a sudden and painful death.

  170. Champ24

    May 25, 2012 at 9:29 am

    Who cares about politics. Take that Sh** somewhere else this forum is about football.

    SN- It does appear everyone is just waiting to hear App state along with other FCS teams joining the WAC

  171. JMcCray

    May 25, 2012 at 9:31 am

    Midwest, what are you? 12? "He started it…" Naysayer said nothing about Obama. Nor has Liberalism, which is a social policy, not a form of government, failed elsewhere.

    Also, there is a thing in government and policy making bodies called "conflict of interest" that typically prevents those people who have multiple interests in acting in a fashion that corrupts their actions to benefit their other interests. That isn't Socialism, that's good policy.

    All this "Might makes right, and almighty dollar" $hit gets old. All your bitching and moaning about "He needs to do this!" and "They need to do that!" or "If 'X' doesn't happen I'll withdraw my money and support!" sounds like your junk fell off and now your just compensating because you don't feel like a man!

    Otherwise, if your gonna talk politics, at least do it in educated fashion and act like you went to college, not someone who gets all their information from talking heads and radio blowhards!

    What an f-ing douche!

  172. ASU-LAW

    May 25, 2012 at 9:35 am

    What is this crap:

    "Your comment is awaiting moderation."

    damn spam filters.

  173. MIDWEST

    May 25, 2012 at 9:38 am

    "Obama is the smartest person you ever heard"

    Are you insane? The man cannot even speak without a teleprompter, he voted "present" 122 times in the Illinois Senate because he had no opinion on the subject matter, and he has made absolutely no contribution to society prior to his running for president. Furthermore, he has absolutely no clue about economics and his revisionist view of history is as about as warped as it could be.

    What you are really saying is that you are shocked that a black man sounds so eloquent. That, my friend, is racist.

    The GOP is moving and will continue to move to the libertarian position. The Constitution trumps all even though it has been trampled upon by liberals.

  174. MIDWEST

    May 25, 2012 at 9:40 am

    What "he needs to do" is stay the F*CK out of our lives.

  175. MIDWEST

    May 25, 2012 at 9:43 am

    LA doesn't have an NFL team.

  176. JMcCray

    May 25, 2012 at 9:44 am

    Apps_Aj11, recite the preamble to the Constitution, and then tell me you think security is the only job of our government.

  177. JMcCray

    May 25, 2012 at 9:47 am

    I'm gonna put the soap back in my box now.

    Little Birdie:

    I haven't seen much about Quick, or his fellow rookies from App, but I have seen a lot of positive reviews, including one pundit from NFL Films who said he has the capacity to turn into the best receiver taken in this years draft.

  178. MIDWEST

    May 25, 2012 at 9:49 am

    I'm just saying that there is a reason why Obama's education records are sealed. Either he was a terrible student, had financial aid records that listed him as being born in Kenya, or there are things that he doesn't want people to see (ie thesis). Don't the American people have a right to know these things???

  179. JMcCray

    May 25, 2012 at 9:51 am

    Pardon me. Above should read "Nor has Liberalism…failed everywhere."

  180. MIDWEST

    May 25, 2012 at 9:55 am

    Two examples: Europe and California. Enough said. The experiment has failed miserably.

  181. JMcCray

    May 25, 2012 at 9:59 am

    Great Britain and Germany. Can't really say they have failed.

  182. MIDWEST

    May 25, 2012 at 10:04 am

    I certainly wouldn't call them an overwhelming success. The British empire is about as weak as it has ever been. These two also are not extreme socialist states like Greece, Spain, France, and California. Britain and Germany have had success because of they have not shunned or demonized capitalism like the others.

    To demonize private equity groups like Obama is doing demonstrates that he has absolutely no idea as to how the economy works. 40% of Dems know it which is why there is weak support of him within his own party.

    Government is the problem, not the solution.

  183. Brett

    May 25, 2012 at 10:09 am

    Politics..zzzzzz. They are all corrupt. They don't start out rich, their salaries dont make them rich, but they are all rich before the finish. Hmm.

    So anyway, does anyone know what App's course of action will include? Do they have to do anything prior to June 1, declare future intentions etc?

  184. ASUGoose

    May 25, 2012 at 10:13 am

    Good articles Law,

    Barnhart hit the nail on the head that CUSA and Sunbelt are going for tv markets right now. Once the larger conference dominos finish falling, CUSA and Sunbelt will be ready for more members. We will get an invite when this happens.

    All will be well, let's start to focus on ECU.

    GO 'NEERS!

  185. Brett

    May 25, 2012 at 10:28 am

    I say BO is smart. Then you say I'm racist b/c I said he speaks well. I said he's smart. Period. Never said anything about how he speaks. I said he's one of the smartest people I've ever heard. No matter if you agree with him or not, anyone that's not an idiot can notice how smart he is. You're right though. Things were magical under Bush. Let's do it again

  186. MIDWEST

    May 25, 2012 at 10:29 am

    Done with politics, sorry. Wish we had other things to discuss, but no new info.

  187. Brett

    May 25, 2012 at 10:32 am

    I do have one question for the GOP gun-toting 'necks. They say God this. God that. But they govern the opposite of everything Jesus/God would do. I want mine and to hell with everyone else. Don't raise my taxes a cent, even it could save someone's life. Jesus said look after you fellow man and the poor. Show me one GOP that wants to to that. Hypocrites of the worst order

  188. MIDWEST

    May 25, 2012 at 10:45 am

    Southern GOP may be like that, but outside of the rural south, the GOP supporters are largely libertarians, which means they do not believe government should be involved in your personal life, period.

    You don't help other people because the government tells you to. You help people who help themselves because it's the right thing to do. People will do the right thing, but you have to trust them.

    Unfortunately, Dems choose to give men fish in exchange for votes instead of teaching them to fish (ie self reliance).

  189. MIDWEST

    May 25, 2012 at 10:48 am

  190. MIDWEST

    May 25, 2012 at 11:01 am

    government should NOT be involved in your life—typo

  191. High and Might Appy

    May 25, 2012 at 11:02 am

    "Boulder of the East with an Ivy League twist". Thank you so much for the laughter!


    All the other non-major universities

  192. bcoach

    May 25, 2012 at 11:12 am

    Slow down there boys. First of all members of the GOP are not the devil they do a lot of good work. They support many charities. Now I think they are idiots just like the dems but just be honest and don't make up crap. All politicians are in it for themselves not us. That is YOUR fault folks because you keep electing them. If you want to see change then don't vote for ANY incumbent until they start performing as they should. In the next election if you vote for one single incumbent YOU are the problem. This party crap is what is destroying this country. People are voting for the party not the person. We have become sheep who don't think for themselves. The political system today is disgusting. If you can defend either party YOU are the problem. They cannot be defended by an honest person. They are failing us miserably. How many Americans have the benefits that politicians have?

    One other thing. I am no fan of G Bush or G Romney but if our president is the smartest man you have ever heard you need to get out of the house more often.

    You don't often see me talking politics on this blog but I am here to tell you if you don't get your heads on straight and find some people capable of running this country then we will not have any football to worry about. We are in VERY serious trouble and the people that are running things today can not/ will not get on the right tract to saving us.

  193. bcoach

    May 25, 2012 at 11:17 am


  194. MIDWEST

    May 25, 2012 at 11:24 am

    Republicans donate three times as much money to charities as Dems, so shut your pie hole about GOP being selfish.

    As for "Boulder of the East with an Ivy League twist." Not my words, talk to U.S. News & World Report.

  195. chAmPPs

    May 25, 2012 at 11:36 am

    We are in huge trouble and BOTH parties are colluding to keep it that way. They both care about one thing; self-preservation. That's it. If you buy into the radio or TV BS, your an idiot and a tool. If you quote them as if it were to mean something they would do that is bold and for the betterment of anyone other than themsleves, you're a sucker. None of them practice the very principles they ascribe to. I truly want to think higher of any fellow App man than to believe they would fall for any of this consistent load of bullsh!t that is the current American political system.

    I am in complete agreement with bcoach. Votes are being bought daily with HUGE spending programs and cutting taxes at the same time. It is their legal way to do it and they are ALL full of sh!t when they say they want to change it.

  196. App Band

    May 25, 2012 at 11:45 am

    Yes? No? Maybe? Now? Later? This conference invite? That conference invite? NO invite at all? All I have to say it this:

    I will be right there in my same spot where I have been since "before the earth cooled" and I was playing my snare drum. I love this team and these kids and my focus in on THEM, not on what conference wants App or not. I just ask everyone in our fan base to PLEASE DO NOT let this be the HUGE DISTRACTION that this argument has been for the past few years. Believe me, the players FEEL that! I'm close to a lot of these guys and they talk to me. It's as if the focus is only on moving up and out and on and sometimes they feel like what they're doing right here and now doesn't really matter.

    It's 98 day until kickoff. It's obvious that nothing is going to change before this season starts and I honestly cannot say that I'm all that unhappy about that fact. I like being the "big fish in the little pond." But that's just my opinion.

    So, let's all focus on THIS season, THIS year and THIS TEAM! I want to win NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP #4 before whatever is going to happen happens. I happen to love those gorgeous trophies and have actually had them in my home for our preseason marching band cookouts. 😉


  197. JMcCray

    May 25, 2012 at 11:57 am

    This one quotes an ESPN analyst in regards to Brian Quick's abilities.

  198. appthunder90

    May 25, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    well, to get this terribly hijacked thread back on to some semblance of app.. per goasu seating chart… the band is in the endzone !

    oh and appdreamin

    gbush was a step to the left and you cant tell me big money bailouts are not left

  199. App Band

    May 25, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    Still rather have the band back behind the home team bench but this is good news!

  200. AppMedia97,00

    May 25, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    Texas-Arlington is officially joining the Sun Belt for 2013…..

  201. 49ers

    May 25, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    If only you would had let us in the Socon you could have had a spot in C-USA

  202. 49ers

    May 25, 2012 at 12:38 pm


    I thought football was king?

  203. appthunder90

    May 25, 2012 at 12:40 pm


    i support the endzone movement. it will REALLY add to the atmosphere of the entire stadium rather than those on one side of the other. every stadium

    i've been too with the band in the endzone was a different monster

  204. appnaysayer

    May 25, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    I have it on good authority that Midwest IS 12. My initial statement was simply about universities and their (in my view) misplaced priorities. That Midwest exploded (as per usual) tells you all you need to know about his insecurities.

    And anyone who thinks MONEY is not at the root of evil in college sports is just not paying attention. Or is 12. Or both.

  205. socon

    May 25, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    see yall in september – no reason to read this anymore till then.

    Who's with me?

  206. MIDWEST

    May 25, 2012 at 1:35 pm

    Well, well, well…it appears our president was a little more like Cheech and Chong than Aristotle or Socrates. Scholar: not; pothead: indeed

  207. Brett

    May 25, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    BO smoked pot? Clinton did too? Bush did coke? What do all three of these things have in common. I couldn't give a rat's ass about any of them

  208. MIDWEST

    May 25, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    I don't care either, but Obama and his O-bots have positioned him as the "smartest president of all time" when the reality is that he was a pothead and avg student at best. My only point is that he is a fraud and still not qualified to lead.

  209. C-Town 'Neer

    May 25, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    Anyone think there's going to be any good news over the Memorial Day weekend about realignment?

  210. spenceca

    May 25, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    I hope so….don't know how much more pain and dissapointment I can take….

  211. MIDWEST

    May 25, 2012 at 3:47 pm

    One thing for sure…App Nation needs some good news soon. I think our fan base is a pretty depressed right now.

  212. Appthunder90

    May 25, 2012 at 3:52 pm

    Thought you had some big Whig source mid

  213. MIDWEST

    May 25, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    patience…in due time.

  214. sixtoes9134

    May 25, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    c-town neer:

    No, there will not be any realignment news over the weekend that will affect ASU.

  215. spenceca

    May 25, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    I tell you I have tried to be positive throughout this but if Cobb can't get this done he needs to be sh*t canned. Market or not how can you not sell App State? I have had enough and I reached the breaking point….

  216. spenceca

    May 25, 2012 at 5:14 pm

    Played football since 1928. 1 losing season in the last 23 years…and a start up program with no football team gets an FBS invite…this is f-ing bulls*it!

  217. MIDWEST

    May 25, 2012 at 5:16 pm

    truer words have never been uttered, spenceca.

    fire is lit.

  218. SecretService

    May 25, 2012 at 5:17 pm

    And we are having our butts handed to us by Furman in baseball.

  219. MIDWEST

    May 25, 2012 at 5:29 pm

  220. hapapp

    May 25, 2012 at 5:39 pm

    Real objective source there:

    BTW, while conservatives are more generous than liberals, most of the difference between the two groups is in religious giving. Churches and other religious groups do do a lot of charitable work but a lot of the money given to churches is for internal use. If you eliminate religious giving as a charitable source, then the two groups are roughly equal in giving. Liberal religious folk are as charitable as conservative religious folk. The stingiest group of givers actually happen to be secular conservatives.

  221. Appthunder90

    May 25, 2012 at 5:47 pm

    Thats not the way I see it gap. In my opinion the stingiest are the politicians. Doesn't matter what side of the aisle. Very generous with other peoples money though

  222. appdreamin

    May 25, 2012 at 5:47 pm

    "gbush was a step to the left and you cant tell me big money bailouts are not left"

    Bush was a step to the left from what? His dad? I don't think so. Compared to the GOP reps and senators (almost all of the former, most of the latter)? Maybe so.

    Bailouts were pragmatic–one could argue panicked–but left-leaning in principle, yes. Tax cuts certainly are not left-leaning, particularly when two wars and other spending increases are underway.

    But Bush is long gone, nearly four years removed. The party certainly hasn't moved left since his departure, quite the opposite if anything. The current Repubs in the House and Senate are way right of Bush, as well as way right of where the party generally was pre-Tea Party movement. You just haven't lived long enough to know that.

  223. Appthunder90

    May 25, 2012 at 5:47 pm


  224. Appthunder90

    May 25, 2012 at 5:53 pm

    I was actually speaking in terms of republican party from reagan until thpatient before tea party. In my opinion th tea party is not established enough to be included in discussion. That woul be like talking about hippies in 1961. George bush was not a champion of conservatism nor was he a liberal. He did some things I agree with an some I don't. That's the way most of those government guys are.

  225. Appthunder90

    May 25, 2012 at 5:53 pm

    I hate apple. Until right before*

  226. MIDWEST

    May 25, 2012 at 5:57 pm


    Guy, have you ever been to a charity event (non-religious)? These business owners and 1 percenters that you liberals like to demonize are the ones that contribute 99% of the donations.

    Your pal Obama has failed miserably and set this country back at least a decade, so just admit it and stop making excuses for him.

  227. MIDWEST

    May 25, 2012 at 5:59 pm

    If way right means life, liberty, freedom, pursuit of happiness, and adherence to the Constitution…sign me up.

  228. MadDoctor

    May 25, 2012 at 5:59 pm

    Miami has issued a statement that they will remain loyal to the ACC while State and Clemson are looking to bolt? Strange days indeed!

    it looks like our only prayer is for the ACC to be blown to bits, which will start the dominos falling again. If that doesn't happen, we're stuck like Chuck (Cobb).

  229. MIDWEST

    May 25, 2012 at 6:02 pm

    doesn't mean we're stuck with chuck.

  230. bcoach

    May 25, 2012 at 6:09 pm

    See you really don't understand the real battle and that is why we lose. The real battle is the politicians VS us. If you don't believe that then I need you to tell me what they have done for us. Tell me what benifit we have gotten from anything that was not done to further their interest. Just as an example why will they not enforce immigration laws. It really does not matter what side of the issue you fall on, they fall on neither. They will not enforce the law and they will not change the law. Why? Votes. It is always that way. Screw the people the vote is what is important. In fact this bunch of screwballs is worse than the last bunch. This collection of mental midgets will sue you if you do enforce the law. I remember when we didn't talk about being a great nation, we ACTED like one. I am sorry many of you missed that.

  231. appthunder90

    May 25, 2012 at 6:18 pm

    well, for starters they have spent us… i mean my grandkids into debt above our ears. what is it now? 55k per man woman and child? with no end in sight. there is a solution but it will hurt. bad. and none of them will do it for the reasons you mentioned. it will hurt their votes. we have to increase revenue and decrease spending. easy in principle and simple to speak about, apparently hard to do. we are going to have to be able to accept that sometimes people, businesses, industries, corporations, fail. the market will fix it. it might take time, but if you leave it alone, it will fix itself.

  232. bcoach

    May 25, 2012 at 6:27 pm

    You are right on the money. The auto companies should have gone bankrupt, they didn't need a bailout. Hell the airlines have done it a number of times and they are still around. We bail out the auto companies and they are crowing about how great they are doing but they still owe us. If we don't do something soon we will be another Greece but we will be to big to save. As a matter of fact we may be just like them and just too stupid to save. appthunder unless i have missed your age our problems are going to explode way before you have grandkids.

  233. MonarchBlue

    May 25, 2012 at 6:28 pm

    As a fan of ODU, I heard there was a lot of talk about the CUSA expansion on here. Wow, was that right! I am a moderate donor at ODU and have some pretty good friends inside the dept. They were pretty amazed at the speed that all of this came down. One week they were looking to find a better basketball home with VCU and GMU looking to bolt the CAA Next they were moving at light speed to FBS football. From what I hear UNC Charlotte was the first target of all of the schools involved because of their location and fit as a regional rival for ECU. Theiy never wanted to leave CUSA anyway but had to because of no football. App clearly has more tradition so not sure how that plays into it or not. We don't have a lot of tradition as a start up, but we did make the playoffs last year which is pretty fast for a new program. I think we can compete with many of the schools in the new CUSA, but there are some stout programs like So Miss, ECU, FIU and Marshall to deal with.

  234. bcoach

    May 25, 2012 at 6:28 pm

    I think i am going to bed while I can still afford one.

  235. MIDWEST

    May 25, 2012 at 6:29 pm

    Coach is correct that politicians of both parties can essentially vote themselves back into power if they give away enough of other people's money. The problem is spending.

  236. MIDWEST

    May 25, 2012 at 6:30 pm

    You can always move into the hut with Obama's brother George

  237. appthunder90

    May 25, 2012 at 6:33 pm

    you didnt miss my age. im only 22. the mention of grandkids was assuming someone steps up and fixes this instead of putting a band-aid on it

  238. Oral Roberts

    May 25, 2012 at 6:38 pm

    MW, you claim Obama was an average student….sure, he was an average student. Got a law degree from an Ivy school…what a moron! You need to figure out who you support, as it's clear who you hate. Obama really screwed up when he got us into two wars, reduced tax revenues, and set up new entitlement programs…..with the complicity of Republican congress and senate for 6 of his 8 years. Oh, by the way, what was George Washington's GPA? Don't know and you don't care, as he was white. What about Lincoln??? Jefferson???? Give it a rest.

  239. appdreamin

    May 25, 2012 at 6:45 pm

    ONE of the problems is spending, but not the only one. Thunder is correct–the deficits we have built up under Bush and Obama cannot be corrected solely by reductions in spending.

    Thunder, I agree that the Tea Party isn't established enough to field a presidential ticket just yet. In that regard, they aren't ready for national prime time—witness Santorum 2012. Or rather the independent voters who decide presidential elections aren't yet ready to send one to the White House, and enough GOP primary voters know that, thankfully. But to think the Tea Party doesn’t belong in the discussion is to ignore reality, unless you want to refine (and confine) your prior comment to focus solely on presidential politics, that is. To do that is to also ignore reality, however, as even a president whose party controls both houses is pushed and pulled by various factions within his own party, often leading to certain compromises of his own base principles. Tea Party is a major force in the House, and they played a huge role in the GOP takeover in 2010 as well as in GOP Senate gains that year. They will have a significant impact on any presidency, particularly that of a Republican president. Through Tea Partiers and others who don’t publicly identify themselves as such, the GOP has moved noticeably right—not left—since Bush left office. In my opinion, the party as a whole, and especially the House, is even now right of Reagan on many issues.

  240. MIDWEST

    May 25, 2012 at 6:46 pm

    You totally missed the point. Liberals have annointed him as President Einstein and the reality is that he is not. Education records sealed for a reason.

  241. MIDWEST

    May 25, 2012 at 6:51 pm

    Last two years of Bush and first two of Obama, Dems ran Congress…by such great thinkers as Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. Wow…and we wonder why we are in this mess.

  242. appdreamin

    May 25, 2012 at 6:53 pm

    There is no point, really. Why do you care what those you call liberals think, particularly about Obama? Why would those liberals care what conservatives think about him?

    Neither liberals nor conservatives elected him–independents, essentially the last vestiges of moderates in our electorate–put him in office. And they're the portion of the electorate that will decide whether he stays another four years, or goes come January 2013. It is the opinions of moderates–'er, independents–upon which anyone interested in a presidential election should focus.

  243. MIDWEST

    May 25, 2012 at 6:54 pm

    Try lowering the corporate tax rate since it is the highest in the world. no one wants to do business here and tax dollars are flowing overseas.

  244. MIDWEST

    May 25, 2012 at 6:55 pm

    more and more I agree with Ron Paul

  245. appdreamin

    May 25, 2012 at 6:56 pm

    Simplification is wonderfully comforting.

  246. appdreamin

    May 25, 2012 at 6:57 pm

    Given your earlier comment about non-Southern Repubs, why do you think Ron Paul failed to achieve any real traction? This is a serious question, not a challenge of any sort to anything else you've said.

  247. MIDWEST

    May 25, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    His age, quirkiness and some of his foreign policy views. he may be the most influential politician of the decade once all is said and done.

  248. AppWyo

    May 25, 2012 at 7:01 pm

    Well I guess this thread proves a point, college football is really just politics.

  249. MIDWEST

    May 25, 2012 at 7:04 pm

    If Ron Paul looked like Romney, he would crush Obama in a landslide.

  250. appdreamin

    May 25, 2012 at 7:13 pm

    I don't know about most influential; I rather doubt that. But your answer, with which I generally agree, is a rather sad commentary on the degree of attention to, and understanding and analysis of issues (or lack thereof) by the vast majority of the electorate.

  251. appdreamin

    May 25, 2012 at 7:19 pm

    I seriously doubt that, largely because of certain of Paul's positions as you mentioned (though not limited to foreign policy). Romney is by far the best choice GOP had for this election. I have to believe Obama was pulling for Santorum or most any other candidate, including Gingrich, as being preferable to Romney as an opponent.

  252. Watauga72

    May 25, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    Calling BS on the claim that the US has the highest corp tax rate….and you're smart enough to know better. What is the EFFECTIVE corp tax rate? If it's the highest, why do so many profitable US corporations pay little or no tax?

    No one wants to do business here? Come on, you can do better than that. That's why the US stock market has fallen so much since Obama was elected. Eveeyone is flocking to Greece!

  253. C-Town 'Neer

    May 25, 2012 at 8:35 pm

    I can't say that I've been more disappointed in the world of football than watching all of this unfold without us. At this point, I'm really just hoping they can put something together with the WAC. All this talk about a moratorium is really frightening.

    I've said this before, and I'll say it again. I really don't know how (I know, I know "tv market") UNCC got an invite when they haven't even fielded a team. We're in NC. We've played ECU many times and have a fairly storied rivalry with Marshall. Come on people, it's not that hard to get to Boone. If it were it wouldn't be one of the fastest growing schools in the South. Additionally, does C-USA know how many alumni live in the Charlotte Metro Area? I would have to say that they obviously do not. There are many, many more App alumni in Charlotte (based on signs, decals, etc) than UNCC. Who do they think will be watching the tv when games are on? Not the UNCC students, they're going to be in the stands. Everyone else is going to be watching the ACC, SEC or out of market games via satellite or internet. Or, Heaven forbid, on PBS (I heard Oscar the Grouch is going to be the new play-by-play announcer).

    We already have a rivalry forming between ECU!!! UNCC won't play football for another year. To top that off, they still have to attain certain milestones as a stipulation of moving to FBS before the NCAA lets them make the jump. Why pass up on the tradition of winning and existing rivalries that we bring to the table? Not to mention that we pretty much own the market over college football in Charlotte and the Western part of NC!!!!

    Is anyone else out there becoming as outraged as I find myself? Why are we still on the outside looking in? CC/KP, I really hope you two are working overtime on this. You've got an entire alumni group and fan base that is depending on you to get us to the next level! Sure, keep pushing for C-USA. Sell it! Show them a little of that Magic on the Mountain. But keep other options on the table. You've already hurt the Sun Belt's feelings and that is no way to go about getting invited anywhere. Please, don't mess this up. Beg, grovel, kiss some royal "you know what." I don't really care what you have to do. Just make sure it happens.

    Britton Banowsky (C-USA Commissioner),

    I invite you to Boone and to Charlotte. Go see for yourself what you're missing out on. You have nothing to worry about. Our fans and alumni are full of passion and bleed black and gold. You know the history we have with Marshall and ECU. We've put $50 MILLION into facilities enhancements in the last few years including new baseball, soccer and softball stadiums.

    Plus, you could really use another team in the eastern time zone for travel reasons. It doesn't get better than ASU! We bring an immediate positive impact to your conference. It would be the best decision you'll ever make.

    Sounds like the Chancellor of ECU likes us enough. Why don't you call him up and talk it over for a few?

    Then, pick up the phone and call Charlie Cobb and reach an agreement already.

    All of Appalachian is eager to get something worked out. Please, let's put something together.

  254. Appthunder90

    May 26, 2012 at 2:32 am


    You may well be right, but I can never say that John McCain is right wing 😉 the question is how do we increase revenues to the government? Do we simply raise the tax rate a la the left? Or do we try to pull a Reagan and double revenues by decreasing the rate? What programs to cut? I think everyone knows we need to cut some fat out of the government budget. The disagreement comes when we decide where to slice.

  255. AppInExile

    May 26, 2012 at 2:41 am


    This is basically a land grab. The conferences aren't necessarily worried about the way things are now; they're thinking about 5-10 years down the road. The fact that ODU is really new and UNCC hasnt played a down is totally irrelevant. Securing a viable footprint in the large TV markets is what really matters now. They can worry about the quality of the football product later.

    There is so much money for schools/conferences in TV contracts now that priorities have been flipped on their head. Look at Notre Dame: they don't necessarily field a perennial powerhouse of a football team like they used to back in the day. Their coaching situation over the past 10 years has been a mess that would be viewed as an ongoing debacle at any other school. However, ND has a national fan following that has no equal in college football. Thus, they get a fat, long-term, stand-alone TV contract from NBC.

    I love you guys, but too many people are looking at the conference shuffling from a football perspective. Unfortunately muchachos, it's not about football. It's about dollars and cents. Frankly, App State should have moved up several years ago when the football team was at the height of its powers and what mattered most to conferences was the quality of the product on the field.

  256. Appnaysayer

    May 26, 2012 at 4:09 am

    On politics: Obama saved GM and the American auto industry, ended the war in Iraq, killed bin Laden (something Bush, despite cowboy bravado couldn't do), is ending the war in Afghanistan, reformed health care (or at least the insurance industry), and during his administration the stock market is up nearly 100%.–all of this while having the Republicans organized in lockstep against everything he tried to do and in the face of their ginning up fake controversies like his birth certificate. Not a perfect record, but not bad. Let us remember, too, that the last successful businessman we had as president was Herbert Hoover. That worked out well.

    Obama has disappointed lots of folks on the left as well as the right. He is, despite all the rhetoric, right of center, a thinker who proceeds cautiously, likes discussion among experts and consensus. Again, not perfect, and at times frustrating to members of his own party. I don't know if he'll be re-elected or not, but if it's Romney, not much will change. The two aren't that far apart in their views, especially regarding health care.

    Now AppinExile is entirely correct about the FBS thing. It is now and always has been about one thing: money. Money for us, money for the cconferences, money for ESPN and the networks. Unless we can offer money, we ain't goin' nowhere. The appeal of Boone, our record, fan base, facilities don't mean a thing–unless we figure to put cash in someone's pocket. I don't fault Athletics (not on this, other stuff, maybe, but not this) for not getting us there. If there's a problem, it's that they raised expectations among the fan base to an unreasonably high level. Now it's crashing.

    But ASU will go on. Sports at ASU will go on. And if the university takes this opportunity to look at its priorities, then how can that be a bad thing? So take a Zoloft and pay for your season tickets. And turn off Fox News.

  257. bcoach

    May 26, 2012 at 5:39 am


    Now I don't always agree with what you say but this time I believe you are joking. You are way to smart to believe what you just said. The president did not save GM, WE DID. On top of that it was unnecessary. bankruptsy would have accomplished the same thing, again like the airlines. He had NOTHING to do with killing Osama he only gave permission for others to do it. Reformed health care? Health insurance is going through the roof and people are losing their insurance left and right. Please explain to me what he has done for the stock market. See this is all talking points and it is crap.

    The other side is no better but to say he is some gift is just crap. If we keep up this party,left,right crap we have no chance. It is time to cut the crap and be americans.

    Message to both sides: Your guy stinks!

  258. bcoach

    May 26, 2012 at 5:54 am

    OOPS forgot

    On football there are two points that are just plain fact. The first is that the fan base is NOT united on wanting to move. The second is that NOBODY could have us in a conference at this point. It is ALL about TV. When the conferences get their members to ensure their best TV packages we will get our chance. We are attractive to conferences only after they have maxed their revenue stream. We will get out invite after that time. They may not get all they want but we will get our invite when they think they have what they can get. All this academics and fit this and fit that is nonsense. It is all about money. All these things you the fans want have to be paid for. We caused the problem now we have to pay for it. This is not complicated. You can scream and yell and cry and blame Charlie and whoever. NOBODY not even your “high powered sports marketing” dudes can pick up the campus and drop it in a larger TV market. We will get our shot when they feel they have maxed out their TV cash.

  259. Giv'em He'

    May 26, 2012 at 5:55 am

    Anyone who thinks the "stock market rising" over the last couple of years, is a sign of a strong economy and that BO is doing a good job is an idiot. It is rising because companies have been doing everything they can to remain profitable in this terrible business environment. They have slashed costs, by cutting jobs in the US and held on to their capital tightly because the future is so uncertain. This helps their stock price, but it has slowed any true economic recovery to a snails pace. By this time, during the Reagan Presidency, the economy was growing at a 7% annual rate instead of the weak 2% rate we have now.

  260. Appthunder90

    May 26, 2012 at 6:14 am


    Actually that is not entirely true if my memory serves me correctly. I think it was bowman gray Reynolds that moved wake forest university to Winston Salem? Not that I want that or anything close to it. Boone is a paradise.

  261. AppInExile

    May 26, 2012 at 6:29 am

    This past week, i decided to make peace with myself and Charlie.

    And I have been much happier since.

    @Naysayer: I agree that it's always been about money. However, to quote Alan Greenspan, the college football works is beginning to show the same type of "irrational exuberance" that the real estate markets experienced in 2006. Isn't it sad that it has come to this?

  262. JMcCray

    May 26, 2012 at 6:59 am


    C'mon, it became glaringly obvious that the Bush II admin put Afghanistan on a backburner prematurely, to deal with Iraq so as to preserve the family name. "Shock and Awe" was a near disaster as the forward troops nearly outran the support corridor, becoming perilously close to becoming cut off.

  263. MIDWEST

    May 26, 2012 at 7:12 am

    May I point out that Romney was the first to suggest that GM file for bankruptcy. We have laws on the books already and it is not the taxpayers job to "save" anything. Are you really saying the government should pick winners and losers. What about the bagel shop on Main Street USA? Obama also escalated the war in Afghanistan and had little to do with the capture of bin Laden. He is a failure of epic proportion.

    As for Romney, I have met him five times at various events related to my profession. I have studied his career and him as a person and here are my observations:

    *The man is damn near perfect, almost so perfect that he is very intimidating. He has never had any vices, so 100% of his mind is clear at all times and is focused on the task at hand

    *Romney is a nerd. He dresses well, he is brilliant, he is handsome, but he is a nerd. He is a self-admitted sci-fi geek and trekkie.

    *Romney is genuinely a nice guy, which may cause him trouble in the debates if cannot throw a hard punch. I took my two young sons to an event where Romney was speaking about a year ago. After the event, the kids wanted to get their picture made with him. Not only pull them aside for a photo, but he joked around with them for an extra few minutes when there were dozens of reports waiting for interviews. That meant a lot to me personally, because he didn't have to do it and no one could hear what he was saying to the boys except for us, so it wasn't a show.

    *Romney will piss off Republicans and Democrats alike for one reasons. He is a deal maker and always has been. He discovered a long time ago that it is better to gain a half a loaf a bread than to starve to death. Wish we could have him do our bidding for us.

    *Romney is not as wooden and stiff as he looks on camera. I thought he had a great personality and was very "loose" in person. He's actually quite funny and many of his jokes are self deprecating.

    *Do not underestimate this man's intelligence on issues other than business. He is a lifelong student and it shows in his accomplishments.

    *He is a centrist, plain and simple. His views are moderate across the board, which will clearly piss a lot of people off, but he will get things done.

    Romney will make a fine president and has the ability to clean up the mess we are in better than anyone I can think of right now.

  264. MIDWEST

    May 26, 2012 at 7:38 am

    Final point: Romney does not schmooze. He obviously doesn't drink, so he's not a big cocktail party guy. If you want to do business with him, meet him in a board room at 8pm at night sober and focused. Romney can be a hard ass if he feels like someone on the team isn't pulling their weight. He has high expectations, but none are higher than he has of himself.

    The man cherishes his wife and that says a lot. Look at his kids and tell me that those aren't two great parents. Like I said, they are damn near perfect, which is kind of what we need right now…something to aspire to…

  265. apppreacher

    May 26, 2012 at 7:53 am

    This post is beginning to remind me of Fox News, very entertaining but void of debate…….mostly diatribe.

  266. MIDWEST

    May 26, 2012 at 7:55 am

    not much to debate. We're in a terrible spot as a country and we have a leadership void at the top.

  267. MIDWEST

    May 26, 2012 at 7:59 am

    Prime example of giving men fish in exchange for votes. This is sad.

  268. Appnaysayer

    May 26, 2012 at 8:17 am

    White men in America have always feared educated black men. That's why slaves were kept illiterate. It's the reason Martin Luther King was killed and probably the reason Malcolm X was killed. This is why so many people have a sort of free-floating uncertain hatred of Obama. Truth is, if he were white, right of center, a guy who played golf and basketball, loved his family, and graduated from Harvard Law, he'd be celebrated as an American success story. Instead, his very citizenship is questioned as is his religion. And his opponents have so little respect for his office that they yell at him during the State of the Union. It's pathetic, but it's America.

    Romney wanted GM to go bankrupt. Wrote a long article about why the government shouldn't bail them out. You can't say "we" did it without crediting the president who put the stimulus in motion. Obama promised to go to Pakistan if necessary to get bin Laden and did it. Of course he gave the order. Who else? Bush ordered him dead, too, but it didn't get done until someone went into Pakistan (on the president's orders) after him. I'm not sure where you get your info on health care, but the truth is, more people have insurance now. And you can't be denied insurance because of a pre-existing condition. I'd call that improvement. It's always gone up and will continue to do so until we get some real cost controls in place on hospitals that are quietly getting rich under the guise of non-profit. In my opinion, health care is a basic right, not a privilege for the rich. And the ACA was almost a carbon copy of Romney's reform in Mass.

    Look, we can debate this point for point all day. Truth is, businessmen have made the worst presidents in history. Obama may not be a great president, but he's done quite well, given the mess the country was in before he took office and considering where it is now. If you take issue on policy, that's one thing, but this sort of "anxiety" about his integrity, his legitimacy, his alleged socialism, his "fake" education, etc. has other roots and people need to examine their thinking and their souls for its origins.

  269. apppreacher

    May 26, 2012 at 8:46 am

    Spot on Nay. I live in SC and I have asked why they dislike BO……..and they cannot give a reason. Granted SC is still full of KKK, but beyond that peoe

    hem and haw and shuffle their feet when asked for a credible reason.

  270. apppreacher

    May 26, 2012 at 8:47 am


  271. Appthunder90

    May 26, 2012 at 8:54 am

    This debauchery has gone on long enough. I do like him and it has nothing to do with the color of his skin. If he were purple with pink polka dots I could t care less as long as I agreed with the direction he were taking the country. The man has spent 5 trillion dollars that we don't possess or have claim to in four years. Yet called bush II spending "unpatriotic and irresponsible" on the campaign trail in 08. Not that I disagree, but he spent more than bush did in 8 years already and is running around promising the Russians favors. Thanks but no thanks. Let's vote in chancellor peacock or bcoach or something.


  272. Appthunder90

    May 26, 2012 at 9:15 am

    Dont like him*

  273. AppInExile

    May 26, 2012 at 9:20 am

    If I've said this once I've said it often on here: TUNE OUT THE MEDIA. They're all in business to make a profit, even NPR (which in their case the "profits" are continued federal/state funding). They ALL have an agenda!

    Put yourself on a news fast for 30 days and see if makes a difference in the way you see the world.

  274. Giv'em He'

    May 26, 2012 at 9:25 am

    Gotta love the fact that the BO supporters are the only ones to bring up his race and they did so after cogent arguments were made against his policies and results or lack there of! You guys were obviously not around or paying attention during the Carter years. I was hoping the country learned from his mistakes, but apparently not, because BO is doubling down on the mistakes he either made or tried to make.

  275. MIDWEST

    May 26, 2012 at 9:30 am

    Obama is not an intellectual, plain and simple. Unseal the education records and let's take a look at how he compares to Romney.

  276. MIDWEST

    May 26, 2012 at 9:34 am

    "An example of puffery is the description of Mr. Obama as a former "professor of constitutional law." Mr. Obama was a part time instructor at the University of Chicago law school, without the title or status of professor. And, according to blogger Doug Ross, he wasn't very popular with the real professors.

    "I spent some time with the highest tenured faculty member at Chicago Law a few months back," Mr. Ross wrote in March 2010. "According to my professor friend, [Obama] had the lowest intellectual capacity in the building. … The other professors hated him because he was lazy, unqualified,"

  277. JMcCray

    May 26, 2012 at 10:20 am

    This is what gets me worked up about most politics these days: the ignoring of simple facts, and peoples willingness to blindly accept assertions that critics make.

    Point in case, the auto bailouts. How about the first bailout passed in Oct. 2008 and signed by George. W Bush? Nobody mentions that when talking about bailouts. Nobody mentions the worthless, $400 a taxpayer stimuli that the Bush admin advocated either.

  278. Appthunder90

    May 26, 2012 at 10:36 am

    Just for the record, my criticism of bush included his bailouts, but I had forgotten that stupid stimulus.

  279. hapapp

    May 26, 2012 at 10:42 am

    Of course, we find out this week that Fox News Viewers are the least well-informed. MSNBC only slightly better informed. But, it does tell us where we are as a society and reinforces the idea of a polarized polity. The best informed were those who got their news from NPR.

    I enjoyed Fox News response, a typical ad hominem attack. They don't dispute the findings, they attack the messenger.

  280. MIDWEST

    May 26, 2012 at 10:50 am

    Love your source…the Huffington Post. haha.

    There is no escaping that Obama was not qualified to be president and that he has been a complete and utter disaster.

    With that said, this article illustrates why he will ultimately lose to Romney…a man who cannot even lead his own party cannot lead a nation.

  281. hapapp

    May 26, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    The Huff Post didn't conduct the study, just reporting it. If you like I can cite other publications that reported it.

    Or better yet, read the survey yourself.

  282. bcoach

    May 26, 2012 at 4:40 pm


    I am not sure what you are refering to with Bush. I never mentioned him.

    Appthunder 90

    Same thing. Not sure what you are refering to with WF I never mentioned them.


    I just lost ALL respect for you. I really thought you were a smart guy. When you guys start that race crap it's because you don't have anything intelligent to say. Guess what? It does not work with me. My attitude is that it just makes you look stupid. So all I can say is nice try but you just made yourself look stupid.

    As far as the rest you know you are wrong so no need to tell you again.

  283. apppreacher

    May 26, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    @Midwest….This is true giving…

    Unlike the pockst change millions that both Pubs and Dems give. The above type giving requires sacrifice.

    To you MW I would be labeled a "liberal". It is a label which I embrace humbly for the Faith I serve was founded by the most notorious liberal of all times, Jesus Christ. He was so liberal he was killed for it.

    It is a liberalism that is freeing as opposed to restricting. As the Methodist Communion liturgy says "freed for joyful obedience".

    To be placed in his company is the highest compliment you can give me.

  284. bcoach

    May 26, 2012 at 4:53 pm

    The other thing I love is the "Well look what Bush did" crap. I never mentioned Bush. I try never to mention him. I don't like him and most of his policies. He is gone. What does he have to do with the conversation? Why can't you make a point about the guy you love without bringing up Bush. You ask why we don't bring up what he did? BECAUSE IT DOES NOT MATTER. HE IS GONE. We don't care about some of the stupid things he did. HE IS GONE! HE IS NOT IN CHARGE.

  285. bcoach

    May 26, 2012 at 4:59 pm


    You just need to hang around smarter people. If they can't give you a reason they are just stupid.

  286. JMcCray

    May 26, 2012 at 6:28 pm


    I see what you mean. I figured you were insinuating that Obama had as much to do with the Bin Laden "neutralization" as the Bush did.

  287. Apps_AJ11

    May 26, 2012 at 8:10 pm

    I find it sad that liberals will never admit Obama's many obvious failures as a President. They spent 8 years lambasting Bush, calling him the dumbest POTUS of all time, unqualified to lead a McDonalds let alone a country. Now they have a President that is spending money we don't have and increasing debt (like W), growing government (like W), killing people overseas (like W), operating Guantanomo (like W) and can't handle the fact their guy is no different. By the way, Bush lovers, he wasn't a good POTUS either.

    Ultimately, everyone needs to wake up and understand that the GOP and Dems are all a bunch of dirtbags. They will never stop spending because the leeches that suck taxpayer money out of the system might vote them out of power. But hold on, folks. I'm not just talking about individuals on welfare like faux conservatives like to harp on. I'm talking about the real welfare problem: corporate welfare. Every time politicians subsidize corporations they run free market capitalism in the ground. Oh and by the way, Libs… The absolute best way for someone to succeed in this country is through free market capitalism. But guess what? We haven't had pure capitalism in this country for over 100 years. When the rules apply to everyone the sky is the limit.

    It makes my head hurt to hear these two, self serving, government growing parties (GOP & Dem) talk about how they have the answers to make our economy grow. The fact is they don't. They want to keep their jobs. The only answer is for free people to participate in a free market and take responsibility for their actions in that realm. They less people count on govt for help, the less power politicians have.

    For me, the definition of a liberal is simple. Did you significantly grow the govt? If you did, you're liberal politically. By that standard we haven't had a conservative POTUS in over 100 years. Although, I do love Reagan. He demolished the tax rate and made environment for business 100x better in the '80s.

    JMcCray, many, many posts up you made an ignorant assumtion about a post I made about the role of govt being primarily tasked with defending freedom. News flash, freedom means personal liberty as much as it means freedom from enemies abroad. In my opinion, the federal govt and the politicians that allow it to grow pose a huge threat to our personal freedom.

    Moral of my soapbox story, neither party has our interests at heart. They want govt to grow to ensure they stay in power from people who depend on them. It's disgusting and makes me mad.

  288. (sigh)

    May 26, 2012 at 8:51 pm

    Athletics blog…. For which to talk about sports.

  289. MIDWEST

    May 26, 2012 at 10:23 pm

    blah blah blah. Bush was more liberal than Clinton and Obama is a commie. A Toast to the great bald eagle and Bombay saphire and tonic.

  290. Russ

    May 27, 2012 at 3:51 am

    MIdwest, I just got back on this thread, did you guys really turn it into a BS political thread>>'cmon. Politics suck, they are all crooks and until there are no parties nothing will ever get done in this country.

  291. bcoach

    May 27, 2012 at 4:17 am

    Maybe I have hope. There really are people who realize that todays party system is killing us. There really are people who realize BOTH sides are killing us. BOTH sides need to go. To you few honest people my hat is off to you.

  292. JMcCray

    May 27, 2012 at 6:11 am


    My mistake, most people make the connection with freedom to security, and I shouldn't have assumed that was what you meant. However, general welfare and prosperity are also included. To me that means maintaining a system that works for all citizens.

  293. Zen

    May 27, 2012 at 6:28 am

    Nay Nay,

    When did "health care" become a human right?

    Humans existed a long time before doctors and medicine. Who provided health care to the earliest humans? Were their human rights violated due to a lack of doctors and medicine? Should there be a restitution plan enacted to compensate the descendants of those poor souls?

    If "health care" is a human right, who has the responsibility/obligation to provide it?

    Is there a human right to keep the product of your own mind and labor and to decide the dispensation of that product? Or, do you believe that the state owns the right to that product?

    The indisputable fact is, any product or service that must be provided by another human being can NEVER be a human right. Unless, like Nay Nay, you believe that it's acceptable to subjugate one person to another.

  294. Zen

    May 27, 2012 at 6:38 am


    I'm glad you have seen Nay Nay for what he is.

    I agree that both parties are a problem. However, the party system isn't the root cause that allows politicians' "buy votes" in an effort to gain or maintain their positions.

    I see the root cause as the straying from the Constitutional mandate for the federal government. If there was strict adherence to the Constitution, the pols wouldn't be able to act in the manner they do.

  295. (sigh)

    May 27, 2012 at 10:30 am

    Athletics blog… For which to talk about sports.

  296. Appthunder90

    May 27, 2012 at 10:31 am


    The WF comment was in reference to the statement that no one could move the campus. It was partially tongue in cheek and I would never advocate any location other than Boone for any reason

  297. bcoach

    May 27, 2012 at 11:16 am


    Sorry I didn't pick up on that. If I were smart enough to pick up you would have had me.

  298. APP's Image Des

    May 27, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    Dear, Please disable the coments feature on this site or at least block certain users. You know you want too. Is'nt hard to see what your great site has become?

  299. Brettt

    May 27, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    Blab on about anything you want. Under Clinton. Massive econ growth. Under Bush we got attacked on 911 and the economy went in the toilet or am I missing something?

  300. Brett

    May 27, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    Oh and under BO. Economy slowly getting better despite GOP trying to block everything and he takes out terrorists like a badass. Seals got then, but still BO is relentless on these guys. Everyone claims the GOP as tough on defense etc. Who was in charge when we got attacked?

  301. Appthunder90

    May 27, 2012 at 4:09 pm


    That was possibly the most ignorant post I've ever read here. If you want to go that far, who had the golden opportunity to get Osama and declined? Who controlled congress for some of that 90s growth?

    And furthermore, who was president when we were attacked at pearl harbor?! None other than the prince of progressive mr Delano Roosevelt

  302. Appthunder90

    May 27, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    Also, the more reckless spending that gets blocked the better in my opinion. The reason the economy is slowly "getting better" rather than tanking is because the exorbitant spending has been curved.

    It amazes me that people like Appnaysayer hem and Haw about how we can't go fbs on the back of students an then endorse the kind of entitlement and benefit and unnecessary spending that is advocated by the politicians. It's the same thing except at least according to the study we can possibly cover ours with added revenue streams. That includes bailouts by any pres, the stimulus 1 and 2 bill by bo, the bush stimulus (which at least gave money to the people but accomplished not much else).

  303. MadDoctor

    May 27, 2012 at 5:04 pm


  304. Apps_Aj11

    May 27, 2012 at 6:55 pm

    It's pretty clear to me that Brett gets his political news via Real Time with Bill Maher. The only reason why we are in slow recovery is because govt is continuing to micromanage the economy. Free people + free markets = only prosperous economic solution.

  305. (sigh)

    May 27, 2012 at 8:16 pm

    Athletics blog… For which to talk about sports. C'mon guys!!!

  306. bcoach

    May 28, 2012 at 3:38 am

    There is nothing to talk about in sports

  307. MIDWEST

    May 28, 2012 at 6:22 am

    bcoach is correct. How about a little positive news on the App sports front that we can talk about for a month. Then, we can start talking about the ECU and Montana game.

    In other news, did you guys see this article? I made the mistake last night of reading it and dreamed about Hannibal Lecter all night. Warning…this is disturbing.

  308. Appthunder90

    May 28, 2012 at 7:18 am

    I am so excited for this season. This stable of running backs is actually good an they complement each other. Holloway let's the play develop its like a symphony. Rod Chisholm Dunn like a steam engine and miller is quick in open space

  309. Appthunder90

    May 28, 2012 at 7:18 am

    Chisholm runs*

  310. Appthunder90

    May 28, 2012 at 7:21 am

    The o line should be cohesive and has a year of playing experience and a new coach. JJ got good experience last year. Defense looks to be lockdown. I'm Thinking our receiving corPs Will step up to the plate. Preseason we have a very good shot at being ranked in the top 5 if not #1

  311. NWA

    May 28, 2012 at 8:10 am

    C-Town 'Neer

    Let me go point by point for you.

    "I really don’t know how UNCC got an invite when they haven’t even fielded a team. We’re in NC. We’ve played ECU many times and have a fairly storied rivalry with Marshall. Come on people, it’s not that hard to get to Boone. If it were it wouldn’t be one of the fastest growing schools in the South."

    ASU is NOT one of the fastest growing schools. You want to tout great school then fine, but not growing. Even your chancellor has acknowledged that ASU has pretty much maxed itself out in Boone. This should make ASU a great school academic wise, but understand that not being able to grow at the rate of other schools impacts how conferences view you. Charlotte has the TV market and by 2025 will have 35,000 students. That will be an alumni base expanding at a high rate in a large market. We are bringing in our largest freshmen class ever, with the highest average SAT ever for us. Our giving is already 25% of where we were at this time last year in both academic and athletic giving.

    "Additionally, does C-USA know how many alumni live in the Charlotte Metro Area? I would have to say that they obviously do not."

    I am sure they do know. We have over 65,000 alumni in the Charlotte metro area. In addition let me reference the growth rate and you can see why we are attractive. As for stickers – amazing what having a football team can do for school spirit. Let us get our team on the field and witness the transformation.

    "We already have a rivalry forming between ECU!!! UNCC won’t play football for another year. To top that off, they still have to attain certain milestones as a stipulation of moving to FBS before the NCAA lets them make the jump. Why pass up on the tradition of winning and existing rivalries that we bring to the table? Not to mention that we pretty much own the market over college football in Charlotte and the Western part of NC!!!!"

    Not sure where to start with this one. You may have some FOOTBALL history with these schools, but these shifts are about more than just football no matter how you appys what to think that is all that matters. We are former conference mates with marshall and ecu so we have relationships with them and UAB, USM and ODU. The milestones we have to meet we will blow through, not even a concern. Next you might own FCS football in Charlotte at the moment, but it is laughable if you think college football in Charlotte revolves around ASU.

    "We’ve put $50 MILLION into facilities enhancements in the last few years including new baseball, soccer and softball stadiums."

    LOL 50 million and you think that is big time? We just spent 5 million on tennis. Freakin tennis!! 45 million for the new football stadium, completely renovated baseball stadium (6 mil), a dedicated track and soccer facility (2 mil), Halton arena (30 mil) and plenty more. Hell we already have a 65 million football center expansion budgeted. The scary thing is even given that we still will need to upgrade our facilities – particularly baseball and softball.

    "Plus, you could really use another team in the eastern time zone for travel reasons."

    CUSA no longer NEEDS an eastern time zone team. USM, Marshall, UAB, ODU, ECU and us are set. Sure UAB and USM are over one zone, but distance wise we are fine. FIU might want another florida school but app doesn't help there. Lastly Boone isn't THAT hard to get to, but it isn't exactly easy either. I was in Boone just yesterday and the drive up sucks – it isn't hard and it is easier now than ever, but that doesn't mean it isn't still a concern. When schools start thinking about it and getting Olympic sports up there it might just not be worth the hassle.

    I really don't care if App gets in or not. The main thing that pissed me off is from the time we said we were starting football we got zero support from App and it's fans. I am kind of enjoying seeing you guys sweat this out. I do see positives for Charlotte either way – you get called up and thats one hell of a state rivalry with ECU/App/Charlotte. You don't get called up and we can always laugh at all you naysayers while we are playing FBS ball.

    Oh and you can chew on these numbers…

    Our budget was already ahead of you WITH OUT football.

  312. MIDWEST

    May 28, 2012 at 9:06 am

    App could have 50,000 students based on popularity, but there are space limitations and we choose to maintain high academic standards. What is so special about going to UCF or USF where there are 50k+ students and the campus is swampland? The answer is NOTHING.

  313. bcoach

    May 28, 2012 at 10:05 am


    guess you didn't get the memo. we are over this, we moved on. Guess you didn't see we have become so bored with this we jumped to politics. Listen though, you probably have some friends who would like to hear more about your tennis team. Hope you have a great season.

  314. bcoach

    May 28, 2012 at 10:09 am


    I think you have it nailed. I think this is going to be a good year. I think everyone on this blog no matter how you feel about a move should meet in Texas for our 4th National Championship. Let's go out on the VERY TOP!! Let's have an appfan tailgate!

  315. NWA

    May 28, 2012 at 11:05 am

    Yeah BCoach I see you are talking politics now. I see while Midwest and I don't see eye to eye with college athletics we def agree on politics.

  316. NWA

    May 28, 2012 at 11:59 am

    And Midwest as far as being a student at a school with 50k people that is something plenty of kids like.

    Ohio State – close to 50k

    Texas – 40k

    Michigan State – 40k

    I can keep going, but I think you get the point. I have no doubt that if App hand the easy access to space that some schools do you would be expanding just as fast.

    No one way is the right way. Each high school graduate is looking for something different. I visited app – thought it was beautiful, but after growing up in a small town the last thing I wanted was another small town. I have no doubt that others get to Boone and fall in love.

    My main point with numbers was that they play a key role in which schools find themselves crawling up the ladder. Bigger schools turn out more alumni which are more ultimate eyeballs for TV. The other piece of the puzzle is that by growing in number of students it also helps keep state funding up which you and I both know is a challenge with Chapel Hill taking way more than it's share.

  317. Dr. Gonzo

    May 28, 2012 at 12:38 pm


  318. MIDWEST

    May 28, 2012 at 5:04 pm

    I'm not saying plenty of kids don't like big schools. However, the newco jucos of the world offer very little in terms of the traditional college experience. Most of them are just numbers factories. You can pretty much purchase a degree from some of them.

  319. NWA

    May 28, 2012 at 6:21 pm

    That is true to some degree. That can also be said about plenty of private schools as well regardless of size. I know a few people with degrees from lees Mcrae and I am pretty sure they might be the dumbest people on the planet.

    As for the traditional college experience – some people want that some people don't. I think what App has going for it in Boone is awesome. Great school, great location, great academics and some diehard supporters. I just don't get the venom towards us.

  320. v

    May 29, 2012 at 4:55 am


    Im not a UCF or USF fan(I support FAU) but calling USF and UCF campuses swampland is uncalled for.

    The difference between USF and appalachian State in SAT averages of admitted applicants is roughly 20 points and as for UCF the difference is 10 points on verbal SAT (in App States favor) and 10 points on math(in UCFs favor. Also the ACT scores on both schools are slightly higher than App State.

    Im not going to get into a pissing match about which school is better because both large, medium and small schools have something to offer their students and like I said im not UCF or USF fan (especially not USF) but I am floridian and will stick up for my home state.

    Also a point about jucos. Junior colleges are not diploma mills. In fact Florida community colleges are sufficiently rigorous that florida state universities will allow students to earn an AA at a community college and then guaruntee them a transfer. Palm Beach State College(formerly Palm Beach Junior College) for instance is accredited by the same body Applachian State is the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools.

  321. Appthumder90

    May 29, 2012 at 5:30 am


    Pay no attention to midwest's drivel. No one shares his views other than himself. I personally transferred to app from a community college and know of the benefits

  322. (sigh)

    May 29, 2012 at 6:34 am

    +1 Appthunder90

  323. AppWyo

    May 29, 2012 at 7:03 am

    In the defense of junior colleges and community colleges, I have know people who graduated from UNC-Ch and had to go to a community college in order to get a job.

  324. Appy97,00

    May 29, 2012 at 7:49 am

    Right on AppWyo. I do as well…probably partly because UNC seems to be very liberal arts oriented at the undergrad level.

  325. AppInExile

    May 29, 2012 at 7:59 am

    AppFan, will you please delete this thread already?

  326. Champ24

    May 29, 2012 at 8:58 am

    Please do so

  327. Appland

    May 29, 2012 at 11:15 am

    I wanted to see if anyone had posted new information here about realignment. Now I regret having come back to this thread.

  328. Appgrad11

    May 29, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    Why is this about politics. Bring back the crazy conference affiliation speculation and Hulk Hogan should be a president.

  329. C-Town 'Neer

    May 29, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    Does anyone have any new info. The June 1st deadline is approaching extremely quickly. I haven't heard anything new in a few days. Please tell me there's something good going on?!

  330. AppInExile

    May 29, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    Cheep Cheep Cheep…Crickets.

    …and no little bird.

  331. bcoach

    May 29, 2012 at 5:23 pm

    Realignment is wore out. Sick of it. when something happens we will hear. Just tired of the same thing over and over and over and over. No need to ask as I am sur it will not be kept secret. Politics got our mind off it a while. Anyone going to Charlottsville?

  332. Know Nothing

    May 29, 2012 at 5:42 pm

    Perhaps the birds been shot already?

  333. Appthunder90

    May 29, 2012 at 6:26 pm

    Rest in peace doc

  334. appdreamin

    May 29, 2012 at 6:37 pm

    ". . . Reagan. He demolished the tax rate and made environment for business 100x better in the ’80s."

    If you're talking about individual rates, eventually he did exactly that (I'm not sure about corporate rates). But the significant cuts to maximum individual rates essentially occurred in his eighth year as president. During his first seven years, max individual rates were higher than at any time since, I believe. If there's an exception to that it would be some of the Clinton years.

  335. (sigh)

    May 29, 2012 at 7:16 pm

    Athletics blog… For which to talk about sports.

    This is not

  336. appthunder90

    May 30, 2012 at 7:24 am

    1st amendment… for which to talk about whatever one wishes. this is not commmunist china

  337. Big Dave

    May 30, 2012 at 7:48 am

    The President saved the unions at GM. The only thing he's to the right of is Michelle.

    I sent the CUSA Commissioner the same thoughts that C-Town did about a month ago.

    We will have to wait for the landscape to settle down. We'll get there but it will take more time and effort than we all thought.

    I did not buy Facebook.

  338. Appland

    May 30, 2012 at 7:59 am

    We may have the right to talk about whatever we want, wherever we want. But that does not make it a good idea to discuss politics on a sports blog.

  339. GoApps73

    May 30, 2012 at 8:01 am


    May 23, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    the fire has been lit.


    Sounds like a pyromaniac person to me.

  340. appthunder90

    May 30, 2012 at 8:02 am

    its a better idea to assert your dominance on a sports blog right?

  341. NK

    May 30, 2012 at 8:23 am

    Freedom of the press is extended only to those who own one. In this case, a blogsite. The only freedom is the one of the guy who owns this Appfan. The rest of us are guests free to come and go as we like.

  342. spenceca

    May 30, 2012 at 10:43 am

    I tell ya…a lot of these sports writers are complete idiots.

    Here is a quote, "And, travel to Boone, NC would be a nightmare for anyone having to fly their non-football teams in, which was everyone in the western division. Statesboro, GA wouldn’t be much better.


    These writers do realize it is 2012 and Boone is not located on the surface of the moon. Hell, I live in Texas and I still make it to Boone for at least 2-3 games a year. It is not that hard to get to Boone people!

  343. MAD Doctor

    May 30, 2012 at 11:01 am

    What a wimp writer. Funny that Ga. Southern, Chattanooga, and Samford don't complain that we are a "nightmare" to get to…… Oh, yeah, that's because they've actually been to Boone. Sounds like others are now jumping on the CUSA (uneducated criticism) bandwagon.

  344. bcoach

    May 30, 2012 at 11:08 am


    May 30, 2012 at 11:59 am

    We may have the right to talk about whatever we want, wherever we want. But that does not make it a good idea to discuss politics on a sports blog.

    Then again when there is just nothing more to say on the sports front…….

  345. bcoach

    May 30, 2012 at 11:13 am

    Anyone going to Charlottsville?

  346. MAD Doctor

    May 30, 2012 at 11:17 am

    Just won our 20th SoCon Commissioner's Cup in 21 years. Let me get on my shoes before we pour into the streets in celebration. The SoCon has been great, but we've long since outgrown it. Time to go. Powers that be-Make it happen.

  347. (sigh)

    May 30, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    Never said specifically NOT to talk about politics. Thank you for the ridiculous comparison for liking my comment to that of communist China – you stay classy now, ya hear? Hopefully you're not one of the guys emailing the FBS commisioners with similar ridiculous comments like that.

    I believe (and I think most normal people would agree) it is poor taste to bring up politics in blog like this. That is what my comment was conveying and that is it.

    If you counter this, you're just arguing for the sake of argument… which is stupid and pointless.

  348. C-Town 'Neer

    May 30, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    Hey Midwest or Little Birdie,

    Anyone got any new information? Every minute it gets closer to the deadline I get more nervous and frustrated….

    Please tell me someone out there knows something…

    ECU's AD was on ESPN 730 today and mentioned wanting another team in the east. Anyone have an insider knowledge on this topic??

  349. appdreamin

    May 30, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    ". . . 20th SoCon Commissioner’s Cup in 21 years . . ."

    That's better than not winning 20 of 21 (how did we let one get away and which school won it?). But honestly, if we didn't sponsor more sports than other conference schools we probably wouldn't have been nearly so dominant. (That's not an argument against your "outgrown the SoCon" statement, by the way, just an observation.)

  350. champ

    May 30, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    Ecu ad. Made it so obvious he want app state in cuss. Stating football in NC is big and adding another strong NC team would be great

  351. Giv'em Hell App

    May 30, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    I am as interested in the move to FBS as anyone, but it is about time to start concentrating on supporting the Mountaineer Baseball Team and the football season that kicks off in 94 days. We need to Bring The Noise to ECU and be prepared to extend a warm Mountaineer Welcome to the fans that make the trip from Montana. Our non-conference home games are actually strong this year. Let's make them feel welcome in Boone and scared to enter The Rock in the future.

  352. spenceca

    May 30, 2012 at 5:15 pm

    After listening to Terry Holland I think it is clear that he pointed out App has not be "favorable" enough to get enough president/chancellor votes to receive an invite and who knows if we ever will. It's a shame but this is the world we live in. Only one thing left to do…..time to go undefeated this year. First up….ECU….sorry Pirates


    Go Apps! Here is to the baseball team taking the sooners to the woodshed Friday night!

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