Who’s up for “CAA wants App State” rumors?

hey .. buddy! …. did you hear blahblahblahHmmm – “Commissioner Tom Yeager, who declined to comment for this story, is targeting the SoCon’s Davidson, College of Charleston and App State as replacements for his lost teams, according to a source.” This is from SI.com, and the writer is looking primarily at bball. CAA has its league meetings next week.

257 comments to Who’s up for “CAA wants App State” rumors?

  • spenceca

    OK…I am now officially nauseous. An invite to the CAA. Please spare me the horror. That's like working your tail off for years to get the big promotion and when it is time for the promotion you are offered the same job in a different department. Currently searching for a tall ledge to jump off….

  • MadDoctor

    Sure, and while we are moving down, why not go further and play division 3 or NAIA. To go to the CAA would be the ultimate insult. I'm sure all of their teams can pat us on the head while they pack for FBS. I'd rather go independent FCS than go to what's left of the league we have dominated anyway.

    This very notion is a humiliating insult. It is like asking Virginia Tech, "if Clemson and Florida State leave the ACC, might you move to the Sun Belt?"

  • C-Town 'Neer

    If the CAA is where we end up I'm going to be extremely disappointed. No disrespect to them or the schools there, but why make a move within FCS?How can this happen? Is anyone else expecting another letter from CC? I honestly like CC and KP, but I really hope they can do better than moving around in FCS. We've got to move up.

  • AppWyo

    I would much rather be in the SoCon than the CAA.

  • AppWyo

    Maine Girls are wild though.

  • MIDWEST

    Joining the CAA only decreases our chances of making the FCS playoffs. Why the hell would you want all of the good teams in one conference? So App State can play Presbyterian for a national championship?

    Wow, people…talk about adding insult to injury.

    The lit fire is now flickering. Put up or get the F*CK out!!!!

  • SecretService

    It just gets better and better.

  • MIDWEST

    This is insanity. We have a great business school and I bet 2/3 of the Marketing majors could make a better pitch than we have made. I can't take much more of this…honestly.

  • spenceca

    Cheers! Here is to 20 more years in the SOCON! When is Lenoir-Rhyne joining? I see a rivalry brewing…..

    Bashing head in the wall…

  • MadDoctor

    To quote Lloyd Bridges from Airplane (1980), "Guess I picked a bad week to quit sniffing airplane glue."

  • MIDWEST

    Donations are going to drop like a lead balloon soon…just sit back and watch. One more week and either a deal gets done or I want to see some pink slips. This is nuts.

  • spenceca

    The last interview from Cobb about a week ago he mentioned C-USA was a recent discussion. Really? If that is true what the hell has been going on since the committee voted to move to FBS in August 2011. We should have been pitching App State to potential conferences and presidents/chancellors since last August!! Please tell me we were not the guy in the corner at the party too scared to ask a girl to dance but hoping against hope a girl, just maybe, will ask him to dance. Pathetic and painful to watch….

  • spenceca

    Honestly, if the pitch to potential conferences is so poor you can't show that Boone is not a difficult place to travel to you have some serious issues.

    It is 2012 and Boone is not located on the surface of the moon. I really want to know what is going on with the folks selling this. Are they calling potential conferences with cups connected to a string? Or showing up to meetings in a horse and carriage? Got to be kidding me….

  • ASUMaverick

    If this is the best they can do, the people pitching the school to other conferences need to tender their resignations.

    Maybe they're waiting for Clemson and FSU to jump ship to the SEC so they can entertain a bid to the ACC, lol.

  • Nick

    Beat ECU! By 40!!!!

  • Appz

    Blame the "people selling" the school all you want, don't let anyone fool you – it is NOT about anything but MONEY. Charlotte, Norfolk, San Antonio are in the top fifty television markets in the nation. It has NOTHING to do with how successful their programs are at selling themselves. We can't move our school to Charlotte, in fact, that is the very appeal of ASU to people who have gone to school there. Right now, conferences are trying to survive, and money talks.

  • Benfar

    Moving to the CAA should not be an option at this point. If anything the SoCon should be able to take teams from them…

  • spenceca

    I agree this is about money. However, I think there are differences in opinion regarding market perception and impact on generating revenue. So far, CUSA has gambled as they are hoping these startup schools in big cities will attract more eyes to the TV set. Problem is when these startups consistently go 1-10 each year no one is going to watch cause its a crap product. Honestly, who wants to watch So. Miss or Tulsa drill UNCC each year by 50? Who is going to tune in? Lived in Charlotte for five years and never heard anything about UNCC. Why will that change now? I believe our admin has tripped over themselves in selling what we have to offer.

  • bcoach

    If they are trying to strengthen their BB standing they will probably do ANYTHING to get us so I think it is a done deal for BB only. They need us for strength of schedule. for all other sports I think we will be in the SEC due to our major market TV status. I can't tell you my source but it is a lock. You can take it to the bank.

  • bcoach

    There is no way they go 1-10. Did you forget they are going to get all our recruits?

  • spenceca

    Oh they will go 1-10. UTSA is such a powerhouse start up they lost to DIII Mcmurray U. last year. Wow who wouldnt want to watch that game on TV?

  • spenceca

    As I live in Texas…A buddy of mine went to a UTSA game last year and told me he had to leave before halftime as it was like watching a pop warner team play. Man is that product going to attract eyes to the TV….

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  • Murray

    AppFan

    We need an exclusive post for driving Dr Bozo out from his grand mother's basement to a mental institution.

  • Fleetwood App

    You know, I have tried to stay positive through this whole process but this is getting absolutely ridiculous. Just crazy. Isn't tomorrow the deadline for an announcement?

  • I kind of hope C-USA and SunBelt fade into irrelevance as a result of their recently picked up football programs doing nothing in regards to attendance, money, and success on the field. If only to prove a point that college football shouldn't be about the money, it should be about competition.

    And I mean no disrespected to those schools, only disrespect to the decision makers of C-USA and SunBelt.

  • Murray just wants some company in the insane asylum. If he keeps raving about Cobb and the "rape coverup" they're gonna lobotomize him.

  • WAC East for football and CAA for all other sports? Assuming the western WAC schools can occupy the minimum numbers in other sports to keep the conference afloat of course.

    Anything but FCS.

  • NWA

    spenceca –

    It is true it is about money and it is a gamble – calling up ANY FCS school is. So what is a bigger gamble?

    A school with 65,000 alumni ($) in a large market ($) who have competed at a high level in every sport in premier conferences, who took 8,000 people on the road for a soccer (soccer!)($) game, who made football happen in the worst economic climate in generations (when $ was hard to come by), who even in a down 5 year span of basketball performance still has attendance in the top 100 of the NCAA ($), who has advanced degree programs (future $), who will have over 35,000 students in the next 15 years (major future $) and who was already a successful member of said conference (past $ performance).

    OR

    A school that is 2 hours away from any decent market (no $), who outside of 3 FCS football titles (little $) and a glorious win over Michigan (big $) has done nothing athletically consistently (yes I know your baseball team is in the NCAA this year), who can't get 1500 people to a basketball game (no $), who have maxed out their physical location (little future $) and who has a budget that is already exceeded by numerous other schools without football (maxed out $).

    So while yes it is a gamble – it is an educated one. I also love how all you app people keep saying no one in Charlotte cares. I think this is really funny. Take away football and no one cares about App at all. You hold against us that which we can't show because we don't have a team yet. The way I see it we are already ahead of you guys because we actually have solid support of basketball, soccer and baseball and football will only make that stronger. I know you guys give some line about Boone being a vacation city – so your location isn't a problem in football, but it is for other sports? But it won't be a problem for other schools or conferences? OK.

    So yes it is a gamble – but let's see what happens once our team is playing. Forgive me for not putting much stock in what you all think. According to you guys – we would never get a team, wouldn't get players, we couldn't get a good coaching staff, wouldn't get a FCS conference, wouldn't get a FBS conference and now you are saying we can't win.

    So yes it is a gamble and it is about money. Looks like the made an educated guess and we will see if it pans out.

  • speedkingATL

    CAA makes no sense.

  • Appywho?

    I think this is great news for Appy! You guys were never going to be a FBS school. So a move to a less irrelevant FCS conference is really the best you could hope for.

    The reason this seems so painfull is due solely to your delusional belief that you guys are one of the "Big Schools" in NC. You're not. You guys are an afterthought or a non thought to most people nation wide, and this realignment is further proof of this.

    You should start to compare yourselves with your peers such as Catawba, Presbyterian, UNCP, or Gaston Community College. Then I think you guys will start to be thrilled with the direction of your school.

  • I have a funny feeling appywho will disappear when we announce our new FBS home. Indeed, the big man behind the keyboard doesn't like the taste of crow.

  • Jamey

    No disrespect to the CAA, but this is an absolutely sickening proposal. They have a great conference and deserve their due respect. However, the idea that ASU should move "laterally" into the CAA as an "advancement" in the basketball realm is insane. How is it possible that the speculation of Sunbelt and C-USA invitations has left us considering trading our Ford Fiesta for a Toyota Tercel? There are 2 options left for us…

    1. FIND A WAY TO MOVE UP.

    2. STAY WHERE YOU ARE AND PROVE YOU CAN DOMINATE YOUR CURRENT LANDSCAPE.

    There is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON to even consider a move to the CAA. None. Nada. If ANYONE on our administration even gives the notion that they are considering this, then they should be immediately stripped of any authority and removed from Boone without delay.

  • Jamey

    Appywho?

    Might we hear what "big school" in NC you currently lend your support to? Do they wear a certain baby blue color, or a distinct red? Based upon your blatant disrespect for anyone not in the almighty ACC, I can safely assume you are not part of the ECU fanbase.

  • spenceca

    Not that either deserve a response but I will direct this one to NWA and Appy Who.

    By no means am I trying to bash UNCC and hopefully your transition to FBS will cause some increased interest in your school and maybe your fanbase.

    I was simply pointing out a fact I lived in Charlotte for over 5 years and cannot remember one time I heard about UNCC. Again, no disrespect, and good luck.

  • appthunder90

    i just dont understand why charlotte trolls spend so much time here. its not like they happen upon these posts by accident or a random google search. every time there is a new post they appear. they must read this site every day. is there no charlotte blog? or is it not interesting because the same 3.5 fans comment there?

  • The presence of the 4 UNCc fans that frequent this site (under 10 or so different names) is in stark contradiction to statements like "you guys are an afterthought." If you weren't absolutely threatened by the most decorated football school in NC, you wouldn't feel the need to troll the most anonymous app fan forum on the internet.

    You people show your ignorance of college football with every post. The fact is, every single college sports fan in this country has heard of Appalachian State. UNCc is known by a hand full of college BBall nerds that are able to list every other washed up final four team 40 years ago along with some unlucky individuals that typed too many 'Cs' in a Tar Heel google search.

    We are among the big schools in NC because we have a massive and extremely loyal fanbase. UNCc will never reach our level of fanship because UNCc offers nothing in terms of college experience. Your alumni/fan ratio is laughable, among the worst in the country. No matter how much you dilute your already lack-luster undergraduate degree by accepting everyone with a pulse, the fact that every student at UNCc is there because they couldn't go anywhere else coupled with the community college atmosphere will only yield one thing: TRANSIENT ALUMNI.

    Sure you will have a bandwagon turn out for your shiny new program, but will they stick around? Will the core group of UNCc fans that classlessly troll the internet like no other stick around when they take frequent loses to teams for which they have no respect?

    UNCc has done well to land where they have. I'm not doubting that. But to suggest that has anything to do with anything besides location and previous relationships is incredibly naive.

    You call us delusional while UNCc has accomplished nothing of value athletically in recent memory and a location-centered invite to CUSA has prompted a two-month "nana nana boo boo" campaign from the most classless of your fans?

    Truly a joke. Only a glorified community college could yield ignorance.

  • Considering the academic difference between the two universities. This forum is probably their only way to strike back at their bosses which are ASU alumni.

  • MIDWEST

    All I know is there are going to be some rowdy and drunk App fans at games this fall demanding an answer as to why we f*cked up this deal.

    Think of how stupid this is…in a horrible economy where every school is desperate for donations, these fools are completely cutting off the hands that feed them.

    As for CCC fan…you are a bug on the bottom of our shoe.

  • http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/19

    Big XII?

    "One industry source said that number applies whether the Big 12 invites, "Appalachian State or Florida State.""

    BTW I'm only posting this to laugh at the responses.

  • bcoach

    spenceca

    How can they go 1-10 when they are going to get all our recruits? I just don't get it. It has been said on here over and over that they will get our guys. It has been said over and over we would be competitive so why will they not be if they have our guys?

  • 49ers

    the CAA is a good choice it will help you to eventually move up to FBS

  • MIDWEST

    all right, I'm really starting to get pissed. We are now becoming the laughing stock of the FBS. This is unforgivable. We have come so far only to have someone (or a few people) who doesn't even bleed black and gold screw it up for us.

    It's time to get mad, dammit, because that's the only way this is going to change.

    One simple suggestion three years ago could have changed our destiny…should have hired a high powered sports marketing firm, like I said.

  • charlotte

    first of all does the CAA actually want you or is it a miscommunication like with the Sunbelt and C-USA.

    By the way Dr. Bozo whatever happened to the Sunbelt was a done deal? Were your sources wrong again?

  • I don't take that reference in Gonzo's post as anything negative…in fact i believe it to be a positive. They place ASU in the same level as FSU with the differentiating point being FSU's enormous fan base and larger exposure to TV markets.

  • charlotte

    @MIDWEST

    how about an Occupy Boone bring out the pitch forks

  • MIDWEST

    LAW- they were making fun of us.

    Just like this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRYP7JYQWHE

    I hope the players are watching this and have a chip on their shoulder. The best players I know play with a chip on their shoulder because they are trying to prove a point that they deserve to be respected. We have been disrespected and it was brought upon us by our "leaders".

  • 49ers

    "You can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig"

    Another words you can try to sell Boone to FBS conferences but it will still be Boone

  • Fleetwood App

    "You people show your ignorance of college football with every post. The fact is, every single college sports fan in this country has heard of Appalachian State. UNCc is known by a hand full of college BBall nerds that are able to list every other washed up final four team 40 years ago along with some unlucky individuals that typed too many ‘Cs’ in a Tar Heel google search."

    Hear hear Gonzo! Nice post.

  • MIDWEST

    yes, Outside Magazine voted Boone to it's top 10 list of best college campuses because Boone is a "pig." F-ing idiot.

    "App State is the Boulder of the East with an Ivy League Twist" -U.S. News & World Report

    Now, how did they describe CCC? OH, they didn't…meaning you are not even on the radar!!! hahahhaha.

  • MAD Doctor

    You UNC-Concord fans are a joke. I've lived in Charlotte for nearly 30 years and I've never seen as many 49'er bumper stickers/decals/ license plates as I see of ASU in a week! There is absolutely no sense of identity for the fans. The Charlotte (Chapel Hill) Observer treats them like third class citizens and fans calling in the the sports radio shows abuse them. Even when they were playing Cincinnati, Marquette, Memphis, and Louisville in basketball, they seldom sold out their arena because everyone was back in the dorm watching UNC vs Hampton with the sound down and listening to Woody Durham.

    Congratulations, you get to go back to the conference you ran from when all the good programs bolted for the Big East. You looked down on the A-10 and then proceeded to not even make your CONFERENCE'S basketball tournament. You fired the winningest basketball coach in your history, and now he is a water boy at NC State. How is your new coach working out for you?

    Congratulations also on your soccer crowd. How did that game against UNC turn out? And tell the truth…Who were you really pulling for?

  • ceez

    "Done Deal" -Midwest

  • MIDWEST

    Yes. I said I was wrong. You must have missed the multiple times I said that.

    I put too much trust in our "leaders" and I was dead wrong.

  • 49ers

    what it boils down to is during our process of starting football all of you Appy fans constantly put us down time and time again so now it's time to show you how much karma sucks. ASU has got exactly what they deserve. And you can b**ch and complain to all of these conference Commissioner's but in the end of the day you can't force a conference to take you and we will be FBS you WILL be FCS and the only one you have to blame is yourself.

    ASU<Charlotte

    No EQUAL

  • "By the way Dr. Bozo whatever happened to the Sunbelt was a done deal? Were your sources wrong again?"

    I reported that ASU was in talks with the SBC which was confirmed to be true, not that a move was a done deal. In fact, I was confident that our administration would balk such an invite and I was upset about it. You read this blog as much as I do, why don't you pay attention?

  • Rick

    I have never in my life seen so many supporters of another school trolling on another team's website. Sorry, but I do not follow and support my team because of the television market. NWA can tout the demographics all he wants, support will drop like a lead balloon after, say, 4 Div 1 (at least scholarship DI teams, Davidson will not count, lol) wins in 5 seasons. Maybe. I'm not trying to be mean, just realistic. An "independent" FCS team will have a hard time getting games and they will either be against the top teams at their place or the bottom of the barrell at home. For the first couple of years, I think a healthy appetite of non-scholly FCS and DII schools will account for any wins. By the time they might be able to compete with say, a low SoCon team (Samford, Western), they are jumping to CUSA and back to the bottom of the barrel. Now if that is enough to get you excited about 49er football, good, you are a true fan that will stay through the tough times in hopes of future glory. However, most will lose interest after losing to Davidson, Jacksonville, NC A&T, etc. Thats just modern sports and Charlotte has a history of it. I have waited for hours to get into BOA Stadium when the Panthers are winning, and I've heard the guys talking on the sidelines from 30 rows up when they are losing. Lots of fans in TWC Arena watching the Cats lose this year, huh? UNCC has no history, no tailgating history, nothing to hang onto. Just hope. And getting beat in the head won't help that. I'd rather be a SoCon team that plays quality teams and can win than one that IS the "homecoming" team for everyone else. Troll all you want, but I don't have such a lack of self-confidence that I have to go to someone else's house to point out what they did wrong. I'm fine with my house, warts and all … & I'll stay off your site, even after every loss.

  • I read UNCc boards on occasion. Not once have I commented at all, let alone put you down nor have a I read any App fan putting you down. You are pathetic. UNCc has 15 or so die hard fans. That's it. And your little group is as ignorant, delusional and classless as they come.

    FYI, there is still a distinct possibility that ASU will play a full FBS schedule a full year before UNCc does. Baby steps, little men of Harrisburg.

  • HOGAN

    For what it's worth, I've really only seen 2 or 3 "Charlotte" fans on here gloating. So I think it's unfair to put down their entire program. Prior to this conference shuffle, I saw plenty of references from App fans about "Charlotte Community College" or as Gonzo mentioned, "the men of Harrisburg". Arguing with 1 or 2 idiots proves no point and makes us look childish.

    Case in point the guy acting like Boone is a S**thole. He knows it isn't. We know it isn't. There is no point in fighting about it.

    I don't care what Charlotte does. All I care about is what we do. The score is all that matters and last I checked we don't hit the field until September.

  • 49ers

    I wasn't talking to you Dr. Gonzo but ok…haha

  • MIDWEST

    At some point, winning on the field will prevail. Oh, and that's where we come into the picture.

  • Jamey

    Hi, we're UNCC and no one in the national sports spotlight knows who we are. We have tried to change to "Charlotte" but big brother UNC-Chapel Hill spanked us and told us no. We just broke ground on our football stadium and already talk trash like we have actually played and won a football game. We supposedly have a "fanbase" and will be stealing all the recruits from the SoCon and CAA making us an in-state powerhouse to be feared and revered. Have I mentioned that we have NEVER EVEN PLAYED A FOOTBALL GAME? But nevermind that small detail, and please listen to us as we troll every other school's blogs and tout of inevitable dominance in the world of college football. Someday we will have our own blogs to talk about how awesome we are. If you have questions regarding scheduling you can contact the moronic broad that is our AD and leave a message, just don't expect a call back.

    Hugs & Kisses,

    UNC-Concord Boosters

  • I was just putting to rest your childish "he hit me first" explanation for the handful of UNCc troll's daily presence on this blog. You are here because you finally have something to hang over the heads Appalachian, a school you couldn't get in to. You thought it was basketball, then we beat you. Academics, you've never measured up.

    Now you've acquired the same conference invite we've been seeking because of your school's location and relationships within the conference. You finally have your long awaited "win" over that awful school that sent you a rejection letter when you were 18. Trouble is, it has nothing to do with an institutional value. You have inherited something great, congratulations. Now go learn about college football. You've got some serious work to do.

  • 49ers

    ok…. Jamey we have already stole recruits from ASU so you just sound like a dumb@$$

  • You've "stolen" one recruit. ASU has acquired players from numerous SEC schools over the years that decommited and decided to come to the mountain. I guess that makes us a better program right?

    Please continue to demonstrate your ignorance to this whole football thing.

    Jamey, pass the popcorn.

  • Appthunder90

    Hiw are those wyngate transfers looking so far?

  • Jamey

    And I am sure those recruits will enjoy losing 85% of the games they play in by going to an upstart program.

  • AppWyo

    We used to have a big rivalry with Lenoir-Rhyne.

    People go to UNCC soccer games because they have no football, American, that is.

  • NWA

    Thank-you Hogan.

    The only responses I have made on this site are in defense of us. I don't consider any of my posts trolling and unlike many of you here I have not resulted in name calling or taking cheap shots at ASU, mostly because I respect your institution and I like Boone. Some of you are very poor representatives of your school. You don't want us here, stop talking about us. I have never said we will dominate. I have never said we are a sure bet. I have simply laid out the case why CUSA found us attractive. I have admitted being to App games and pulling for you guys to succeed in the past. Much of what you are hearing from Charlotte trolls is only based on your venom towards us starting a program. You take shots at us left and right so I am merely representing our school to correct your perceptions. As I have stated I have no problem with App moving up to FBS – the App/Charlotte/ECU grouping could finally put a dent in the ACC garbage in this state, but considering your hatred of us I will also enjoy watching you all sweat this out.

    And to Rick:

    You obviously have not paid any attention. We already have our first two seasons as FCS indy scheduled. We will then transition to CUSA. We will see how we perform. I expect we will be solid. We will start recruiting FBS kids with this next class. I am less worried about the first 2 years and more worried about being ready for the first CUSA season.

    Lastly you all can't quite understand the role football plays in getting your alumni and students excited, which is odd because the ONLY thing your fanbase is excited about is football. Let us get our team out and let's see how that impacts the connection to university by students and alumni. I am guessing it will be a pretty big catalyst. Just imagine App without football.

  • Brad

    Does anyone realize that the CAA is where Buzz is located? UNCW is CAA.

  • Spare me the victom BS, NWA. The fact is this is OUR site. This is a thread about App and this whole pissing contest started because of you and the other classless trolls that are VISITORS here.

    You make unsubstantiated statements like "ASU hasn't done anything consistently" blah blah blah and expect us to bend over and take it. Then when you get a venomous response, you cry about it.

    What an utter fallacy that statement is anyway. You're speaking of an athletic department that has just won the all sports championship in the SoCon for 20 plus years in a row. A school that is a national contender in wrestling, track, cross country, and FCS football year in and year out.

    You may be less abrasive than the other UNCc trolls, but you are none-the-less an invading troll interested in nothing less than dlck measuring, chest beating and "nana nana boo boo's." If you want our respect, you'll leave this forum forever and settle your little man syndrome on the field eventually.

  • Confused AppFan

    Not trying to defend UNCC – but I am puzzled why people are trashing on UNCC on this different thread? UNCC IS NOT THE REASON THAT APP HASN'T MOVED YET. Why haven't we moved you ask??? ASU is not located in a large city (and a few others reasons that I won't list), hence people on the C-USA committee are apprehensive because they fear we won't pull in the money which is purely the driving force (not competition). Defensive AppFans – get your heads out of your butts and stop behaving like children and realize this.

    Ignore the actual trolls that are using this time to rub it in our faces – they'll pay their dues on the football field.

  • I have a very good understanding on the dynamics of this conference move stuff, so you need not lecture me. That doesn't mean I can't give our UNCc guests the warm welcome of a nice warm slice of humble pie when they mosey on over to Appfan.

    Putting UNCc fans in their place when they make the mistake of trolling App fans is our duty. It's classless to invade other teams boards with unsubstantiated smack. Defending your school on your school's board is far from it. And hell, it's fun!

  • Confused AppFan

    For what it's worth to UNCC fans…

    I have NEVER heard an ASU fan make fun of or tease UNCC people for not having a football program prior to the announcement that you were building a football team. From what I gather – this whole karma thing is fabricated – so I'm also confused in regards to your trolling here.

  • NWA

    Gonzo the only reason I came here was defend Charlotte from the hate you all were spewing, why else would I visit an App site?

    Every thread about conference alignment one of you spout something about us not even having a team, having a non-traditional college experience or us not having any fans. As long as you all talk about us in negative ways I will keep posting.

    I do admit though I visit sometimes because I enjoy the freak out some of you all are going through. Karma is a bitch.

  • NWA

    Confused – You are right before we had a team things between our fanbases were cordial. The minute we said we were building a team every App fan I know and on AGS and other boards told us we were destined to fail.

    I am interested in seeing how all this plays out for you guys.

  • Confused AppFan

    @ Gonzo

    It certainly sounded like you needed a reminder / lecture to me… I totally get and understand defending our school on this blog – and you should as a proud alumn and I applaud it, but don't blame UNCC for ASU not getting into FBS – there's no point. I've been reading this blog for a long time and haven't commented, but it had to be said.

  • Confused AppFan

    Also – to all the posters here saying "I have a source" – do us all a favor and keep it to yourselves unless you can produce a name for the source and what it is actually about. All you are doing is getting people angry.

  • Confused AppFan

    @NWA

    "…The minute we said we were building a team every App fan I know and on AGS and other boards told us we were destined to fail."

    Prove that to us. Give me a URL to look at. Otherwise, you are fabricating all this karma stuff.

  • NWA

    Confused – sorry I didn't save those URLs, I didn't expect to have to reproduce them in court.

    Rest assured the only reason I take glee in the fact you all are still looking for an FBS home is that after years of pulling for App in FCS ball and against the big dogs I saw zero support from App fans for our quest for football.

  • Confused AppFan

    @NWA

    That is unsettling… because I have friends who went to UNCC and I have commented on many occasions with them that it would be fun to see UNCC v. ASU match ups in the same conference. It would be a great in-state rivalry – we both agreed and have pulled for each other in this aspect.

  • Confused AppFan

    @NWA

    You have to understand – not every ASU fan is of the opinion of the angry comments on this blog.

  • NWA

    I agree 100% – as I said App/Charlotte/ECU might finally make a dent in ACC crap in this state – it isn't quite tobacco road but it would be quite and instate rivalry. I don't have a problem with App moving up at all. My only issue has been the shots at our school.

    Boone and ASU are great place to be. I seriously considered going there, it was just too much like home for me. A game in Boone with my Niners would be great and a game against App in Charlotte would be a blast.

  • appthunder90

    i have similar feelings towards a uncc asu rivalry on the field. i think it would be great for this area of the state (meaning west of ral-dur-ch). however, it is quite bothersome to not only have to pick through the drivel of our own fans which i can at least tolerate because this is an app site, i also have to sift through the drivel of charlotte fans trying to rub our noses in it. enough is enough. it is stupid anyway. we all know that uncc refused to play app in boone (i would have also) and we refused to play at uncc (rightly so). until something is settled on the field all of this back and forth is not only nauseating, it is pointless.

  • NWA

    Agreed and not every Charlotte fan is a troll.

  • Confused AppFan

    Glad we're finally seeing somewhat eye to eye and having civilized discussion, haha. We should do this more often :)

  • Russ

    IF we go independent, here is our schedule:

    Georgia

    Georgia So

    Wake

    Navy

    NotreDame

    Stanford

    UCF

    UConn

    Marshall

    Alabama So

    Elon

  • Confused AppFan

    Would be interesting to go Independent, but I don't think we have enough clout to get on other's schedules without support from a conference. Could be wrong though.

  • NWA

    Russ – Indy FCS with GA, UCF, Marshall, ND and more FBS schools on your schedule with little chance of FCS playoffs?

    I don't see why ASU would do that.

  • Russ

    I agree, but thought that would be a great first year schedule for us. Is anyone sure the sports writer didnt get his initial mixed up and mean ACC…keep optomistic, and MIDWEST, try not to go postal, I suspect you own a firearm or might have other deadly skills

  • Confused AppFan

    haha…

  • MIDWEST

    Nope, not a fan of guns personally. I'm a pretty peaceful person except the on night, years ago, when I got really drunk and wrestled a bear at a bar. Kicked my f-ing ass. I was black and blue all over for about a week.

  • Confused AppFan

    You know… Bill Brasky was a son of a b(*?&.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NjgPDIeSXA#t=0m20

  • App Band

    Since I'm a band person, just asking this of our Charlotte visitors: Will you also be fielding a marching band for your team?

  • Boonedocks

    We once had a bachelor party for Brasky. He ate the entire cake, before we could tell him there was a stripper in it.

  • NWA

    Marching band is part of the plan, but not at start up. Not to sure what our band situation will be the first few years. Speculation is simply a large pep band unless a donor steps forward specifically for a marching band. On the list of need to haves and nice to have relative to college football a band is a nice to have.

  • Confused AppFan

    hahaha…

    For those that didn't watch the youtube video above, MIDWEST is Bill Brasky

  • MIDWEST

    In other news, here is yet another example of just how classless Obama is. He seems to forget that Pelosi and Reid ran Congress Bush's last two years.

    Piece of Sh*t!!!

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/blamer-chief_

  • App Band

    Is there a School of Music at UNC-C?

  • NWA

    We do have music, music performance and music education programs.

  • Jamey

    I hereby make the motion that we call a truce with all UNCC folks and begin an all out assault on UNCW and UNC-Pembroke. They had sat idly by and avoided our rage. Let us now turn out attention to these schools and spew forth anger and hostility at their pacifism and overall obscurity in the discussion of "american" football. Why should we let them go unnoticed? They need football so they can begin to have this type of passionate interaction with other schools. Rise us and let your voices be heard!

  • Boonedocks

    They use Brasky's foreskin as a tarp when it rains at Yankee Stadium

  • SecretService

    You guys don't want to admit it but APPYWHO makes a lot of good points. I think he is dead on right "never going to be a FBS school so you should join a less irrevelant conference". I seen us try to move up 3 times now with no success. This was out best shot with our fan base and facilities but still no results. No one can convince me that the CAA even wants us as this is just another of the rumors so prevalent on AppFan

  • SecretService

    I seen/ I've seen- eat me!

  • SecretService

    Who cares about what schools we have compared to Charlotte!!! They have C-USA and we don't. You are just a bunch of jealous bitches so knock it off and accept our miserable existence in JV Football.

  • Know Nothing

    is this old or new news? So much for that western kentucky transfer rb…..

    http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2012/05/31/two-appa

  • hapapp

    UNCP has football. In fact they have recently participated in the D2 playoffs.

  • MIDWEST

    BREAKING NEWS: Our "leaders" have finally come through for us! In 2013, we will join the fabulous league below. Great job, guys!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUqEHjbxtlU

  • MIDWEST

    App State in the EFL. Yeah, baby! Big time football!

  • AppMan

    Don't know how you can see it anyother way. The CAA is a big upgrade over the SmallCon. That is unless you get a thrill out of whipping the little guys then beating your chest about it. Whoopee doo…

  • The question to me is not whether the CAA is better than the SoCon. It is better in every major sport but baseball and has a better TV package. However, there is more to it than that.

    Leaving the SoCon would cost either $300K or $600K depending on how much notice we gave. Leaving the CAA currently costs $250K with discussions of increasing that to $1M. If we go to the CAA for all sports including football, we are giving up on FBS football for the foreseeable future. I do not want to see that. If a moratorium comes along then by all means, make the move. Until then, keep trying to figure out a path to the FBS.

  • MIDWEST

    Joining the CAA would be incredibly stupid. Housing all the the perennial powerhouse teams in one conference only continues to make the FCS playoffs and championship more irrelevant.

    If this is our only choice, then Cobb and Peacock should be fired, period.

    This is not an option and we should not even waste time discussing it.

  • MIDWEST

    Let me say this again…if an FBS deal does not get done, people will lose their jobs. Mark my words on this one.

  • Brett

    That may be, but where does people losing their jobs get us? Nothing.

  • MadDoctor

    Hypothetical scenario- In a few weeks we get the word that we can join CUSA, but we have to wait and enter with UNCC a few years down the road.

    Take it or leave it?

    .

  • Confused AppFan

    Not sure why uncc factors into this. I would take it.

  • SecretService

    Midwest, The invitations have been issued and I didn't see our name mentioned. It's over and we didn't make the cut. Sad but true. Talk about joining CAA is fruitless as there has been no invitation there either. If they wanted us we would have been mentioned with C of C and Davidson. We are stuck in the declining SoCon

  • Confused AppFan

    It isn't about app verses uncc. It's about getting the foot in the door. Take it.

  • bcoach

    Anyone who would fire KP over football is a complete moron. To pretend that football is that important that you would fire a guy who has brought the university to where it is makes you stupid. I know that some of you are very emotional over this but get a grip.

  • MIDWEST

    It's about the future, not the past. Where's the vision?

    This blunder will cost us millions…in more ways than just monetary.

  • RadioFan

    I know that some of you are very emotional over this but get a grip.

    I just want to quote this… People here are very reminding of Chicken Little and the sky. You don't fire a excellent President/Chancellor over not getting your way in conference realignment. Grow the hell up.

  • midsouth

    So WE ARE relevant in the conversation.

    ""One industry source said that number applies whether the Big 12 invites, "Appalachian State or Florida State." And according to another industry source, ESPN wouldn't stand in the way of Big 12 expansion even after negotiating a new deal with the ACC.""

    Found here -http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/19206833/big-12s-born-again-and-feeling-its-oats-sitting-at-10-12-or-14

  • MIDWEST

    Well at least we can be proud of our new law school even if they can't deliver an fbs invitation.

  • Appywho?

    The Big 12 will not invite you. Lets just put that behind us for now.

    Since you Appy's blather on about your business school I thought we could discuss market forces. For starters your FCS championships don't amount to a hill of beans. "How can you say that?" you ask? Simple really. Despite your Div-II success the C-USA chose instead to take a school like Charlotte, that has not even played a down, and move them to FBS. "Where are you going with this?" you say? Simply that the potential of a school like Charlotte is > than 3 FCS championships. Again I am not saying this, the C-USA is. They are speaking with their dollars, and if we are to believe the invisible hand of the market is at work, then there is more value in potential than in winning Div-II championships.

    On the academic front Charlotte is and always will be the superior school. "Now that's just crazy" you yell at your computer. Is it? According to the Wall Street Journal, Charlotte grads will come out making $3k more than their Appy "peers", and will continue to make more throughout their careers. Here is the link for you: http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/…. Again I am not saying that Charlotte degrees are worth more, employers all over the country are. They are voting with their wallets and saying that they would pay more for a Charlotte grad, than an Appy grad. A.K.A Charlotte degrees are worth more than Appy "degrees".

    If your business school is as good as you say it is, then you should clearly be able to see the invisible hand of the market valuing Charlotte over Appy.

  • App'93

    Appywho?

    Your obsession with us is almost getting uncomfortable. It's obvious you are secretely jealous of our university based on the amount of time you spend on our site trying to justify why your school is so much better than ours. You are embarassing yourself!

  • You're wrong

    For the record, app produces lots of teachers, hence perceived lower starting salary. Compare Biz school to biz school and you'll find app ranks higher and produces higher paying jobs. Oh, and yeah, app students have better grades and SAT. Look it up.

    (snore)

  • Little Birdie

    So today is the day…June 1st.

    Are the phones ringing yet?

  • midsouth

    Dear AppyHOLE? Thanks for your anal insight. It must be fun to be a FARTYNINER. Huh?

  • AppyWhoHasaSmallPeni

    The name says it all

  • MIDWEST

    tick tock

  • Norman Niner

    Just want to salute the select few of you, particularly Dr Gonezo, for bringing me so much Schadenfreude.

  • Just to briefly touch on the graduate salary statistic, it is irrelevant when comparing two completely different schools. 33% of the students at UNCC are adults 25 or older. Comparing the salary of an adult with work experience who goes back to to school with that of a 21-year old fresh off campus is apples and oranges.

  • Appywho?

    To appywhohasadmallpenis:

    That's not what your Mom and sisters think….

  • AppyWhoHasASmallPeni

    YOU LEAVE THEM ALONE!!!

  • GoApps73

    I like the CAA for our men's basketball program. It is incredibly difficult to recruit out of the Southern Conference for a BB team. Getting the 3 to 5 star players just does not happen as a matter of course.

    The Southern Conference has NEVER had an at-large team invited to the men's "Big Dance." This truism is very revealing.

    If Georgia Southern is included in a CAA package along with ASU, I would not be disappointed with a move to their conference especially if it was split between a north and south tier for football.

  • Appnaysayer

    It is indeed June 1. Are we relevant yet? Meanwhile, the hand-wringing continues apace with EXACTLY the same result: Nothing, save the ongoing comedy of watching Midwest, Gonzo, and the others implode because Santa left them lumps of coal.

    After the drubbings we've taken at the hands of the CAA in the last couple of football seasons, no wonder they're asking us to join. And basketball? Please. It WOULD be a better academic conference and we'd play a better schedule, but I'm guessing we'd lose more games than in the SoCon.

  • ThatDude

    Good grief…..my toy is better than your toy whaaaaa whaaa.

    Fact: The business schools have the exact same accreditations. Both schools produce CFOs, controllers, investment bankers etc. etc.

    Fact: Both schools are state supported and accept who they are told to accept based how much room is available.

  • MIDWEST

    Naysayer- Aren't you excited about our new law school? How about our 10 new doctoral programs?

    Got vision?

  • Brett

    Midwest, you keep referencing a law school. What is that about? Haven't heard anything on that

  • AppWyo

    At least you cam burn coal.

  • Appland

    I like the CAA because it brings the Appalachian name into some major media markets. Playing in Philadelphia, Richmond, and Wilmington is better than backwoods SC. The Socon is a fun conference to beat up on, but we are a cut above most of the schools academically, and all of them athletically.

    The CAA isn't what it used to be. Specifically, it is weaker. But if we could rebuild it with Davidson, Coc, GaSo, maybe Elon, and us it wouldn't be to bad. Plus, it's not that bad of a drive to all those Virginia schools.

  • MIDWEST

    Everyone talks about what great leaders we have, so I'm just waiting any day for the announcement about our law school and dozens of new doctoral programs added. Since we've done such a fine job negotiating an FBS bid, I imagine this will be a simple walk in the park.

  • Nay, don't lump me in with MW. Have I been commenting in this thread freaking out about a lack of an invite? No. In fact, I challenge you to find that in any thread. I mentioned WAC East for football and CAA for other sports followed by several posts arguing with Cee trolls. Get your facts straight.

    I'm sure you're a happy man, being that you're fundamentally against athletics in general, but no need to be a dlck about it.

  • bcoach

    For a guy who claims to be so proud of this school you sure sound ashamed of it.

    No law school and not enough doctoral programs and jv football. What DO you like about ASU? More and more you are sounding like the disgruntled employee who has crossed the line to the point he just can’t stay. He is just too miserable. Take a break man. I don’t think you really want to go where you are heading.

  • MIDWEST

    I just think we sometimes set the the bar too low for ourselves. If you're not getting better, you're getting worse…because people around you are always improving. You can never stay the same. Look at the FBS situation, for example. Schools like UT-A, Charlotte, UT-SA, FIU, ODU were not even in the picture a few years ago. We were always one of the next ones "in line", but we got too lazy and took things for granted.

    I love App and I think everyone knows that, but sometimes I think we get too complacent.

  • MIDWEST

    We tend to have a defeatist attitude at times and all I am saying is that we are App f-ing State and it's time for a little respect. Step up to the plate and make something happen. Don't sit back and let the world come crashing down on you.

  • NWA

    No way does App get a law program, neither will Charlotte. Chapel Hill will not let that happen. UNCA wanted a pharmacy school so Chapel Hill opened a branch of theirs in Asheville. We have been wanting a medical school so they opened a branch of theirs in Charlotte. with our chancellor's support :( Don't get me started. The powers that be will not permit any western school the power that a medical or law program would create.

  • There's also a private law school in Charlotte. Charlotte Law gained ABA accreditation almost exactly a year ago and is not affiliated it UNCC.

  • MIDWEST

    I think I'll start a private FBS football team. Anyone interested? I think we'll start out playing in the MAC for two years before joining the Big East.

  • NWA

    Yeah Gonzo after years of us trying to get one and being denied Charlotte law opened. We do have a relationship with them though:
    http://publicrelations.uncc.edu/news-events/news-

    There is speculation that this could be an end around on the light blue fairies. There was talk that they were having trouble economically and our partnership was the first step in eventually absorbing the school, which supposedly can be done through out BOT vs a new program that needs the BOG approval. No idea if this is true. I don't put much faith in that because I don't think our chancellor would set anything in motion that would anger Chapel Hill. With that said the only way any of us get one of these program is by doing something like that IMO.

  • NC Native

    LOL no one wants you.

  • A neutral third party saying that App State needs "better representation" and "They don't have the right people talking for them."

    But the key here is another statement he makes that I've been saying for months by lobbying hard for the SBC: "Setting the bar too high"

    http://www.appstatenation.com/2012/05/31/audio-es

  • Confirming what I’ve been saying for months. Cobb has missed opportunities (namely the SBC) by exclusively lobbying for an unrealistic option in CUSA.

  • nomadb

    Come on Gonzo….Charles Arbuckle is a neutral third party, but he's also nothing more than a talking head and I doubt he has any insight into what message has been delivered by our people….he's speculating…he's flapping his gums to take up time on the radio.

    Nothing more….he has the same amount of information available to him as you and I do in regards to what message has been sent to the conferences

  • C-Town 'Neer

    Is anyone else a little disheartened by the fact that we haven't heard anything from our leaders in a quite some time?

  • Nomad, it's called perception and it's really all that matters. Of course he hasn't been a fly on the wall in Cobb's office, but he is indeed a neutral party and a professional analyst. This is not the first time this sentiment has been expressed, just the first time it has been by a neutral professional.

    The writing is on the wall.

  • Oral Roberts

    "This blunder will cost us millions…in more ways than just monetary."

    This statement reminds me of the old Batman TV show from long ago. Batman would say something would kill them, or worse. The sky is not falling…..as quickly as the BCS landscape is changing I believe something positive will open for ASU.

  • Confused AppFan

    I would agree with Gonzo and the ESPN talking head on better representation. It was clear from Cobb's email from a couple weeks ago (as well as a radio interview he had done) that there were some BIG things that he and team did not think about when marketing ASU to FBS. Head scratching stuff too that they forgot… I also believe the writing is on the wall. No invite = no job for Cobb.

  • appdreamin

    "It (CAA)WOULD be a better academic conference and we’d play a better schedule, but I’m guessing we’d lose more games than in the SoCon."

    I think we'd lose more games, as well, and not just in basketball. But I'm interested in the academic comparison. Aside from William & Mary, Naysayer, what would be the significant academic gains? Isn't Richmond roughly equal to Furman, for example? JMU approximately the equal of Wofford (or App)? And though they're different types of schools, Davidson is at least W&M's academic equal, isn't it?

    This is not a challenge, understand. You're much closer to comparative academic rankings than most of us posting here; I'm just curious as to why CAA is considered a better academic league. Is the improvement in academic strength based mostly on comparing the bottom SoCon schools versus the bottom in CAA?

  • MIDWEST

    "App State is now almost like the former girlfriend who was just totally decked out, everybody loved her, 5 years ago, 6 years ago."

    No sh*t. That's why we should have sold when our stock was high, like I said.

    This situation is down right absurd. I cannot believe we have put the future of our beloved university in the hands of one or two people, who know little or NOTHING about marketing.

    F-ing Dumb.

    Dumb.Dumb.Dumb.

    Thanks for embarrassing us…fools…

  • App Band

    91 days to go. Please PLEASE don't let THIS TEAM be brushed-aside THIS SEASON as we await whatever will happen…or will not happen!

  • MIDWEST

    Not only did we make a mistake with this student's grades, but she is extremely upset about App not being invited to an FBS conference.

    http://deadspin.com/5914677/pissed+off-college-st

  • Jamey

    I have just been informed that is App State does not get invited to go FBS then all of us will have to turn in our diplomas and we will be placed into internment camps where we will be forced to handcraft Bobby Bowden commemorative bobblehead dolls that say "Dad'gum". Those who refuse to follow this order will be put to death by a Florida psycho who will be high on bath-salts and crystal meth.

  • MIDWEST

    and you'll be having dinner (fava beans and a nice chianti)with this guy only after you feed young kittens to his pet snake.

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4349654

  • Yeah Right!

    Why are you so bent out of shape over football? I ask only because of all your talk about how superior Appy's academics are, you should just push for Ivy League consideration.

    In reference to the post about Appy students w/ higher grades and SAT scores out of HS compared to UNCC, but UNCC grads make more money…So, does Appy make their students dumber?

    Please paint Boone white so that you can rename the Rock the Ivory Tower

  • Jamey

    We don't have to paint it white…..God does that every year from November – February because he likes us more.

  • you are wrong

    Yeah… wrong again UNCC fan.

    Appalachian students come out with higher gpa is as well. Look it up.

  • you are wrong

    Uncc alumni are getting worked up because the school they went to is academically inferior and everyone knows it. For the life of me I don't get why theyyou are trying to have a pissing contest with us about that. It is cute to read the comments from their camp.

  • you are wrong

    *typos.. fat finger typing from phone

  • Yeah Right!

    I guess that leaves the "But look at my college GPA" excuse during annual review time.

    I'll admit the snow reference was funny

  • Little Birdie

    Tick tock tick tock…

    …and still no calls.

    The fact is, App State's administrators slapped the Sun Belt in the face by ignoring them as a viable alternative.

    Little Birdie is laughing at all of you for hoping against hope and trusting in your school's "minor-league" administration to get a deal done.

  • You are wrong

    Oh yeah… With the colleges that we do share (colleges of business, college of music, etc etc)… Yeah… ASU ranks higher nationally in all those. Look it up. Shall I continue or will you continue to troll and humiliate yourself?

  • Confused AppFan

    Can we stop the pissing contest please?

  • MIDWEST

    I hate to say it, but little birdie is correct. While our "leader" was closing the deal with the assistant to the assistant to the VP of the CUSA and ignoring the other potential conferences, some schools had leaders meeting with the REAL decision makers.

    There's this little stage in the sales process called "Qualification" which is designed to make sure you are talking to the correct decision maker(s). Ask any Marketing major at App and they would know that. Unbelievable.

    Dumb.

  • AppInExile

    Will all of the birds and 49er fans please go away already?

    Will football season please start already!

  • spenceca

    June 1, 2012. No news. This has been one bitter pill to swallow.

  • MadDoctor

    Welcome to the future.

  • MIDWEST

    Fools…not to mention horrible communicators. They owe App nation MORE than an explanation.

  • MIDWEST

    Where the hell is the accountability dammit?

  • (sigh)

    My guess is Cobb will be out of a job with a week.

  • (sigh)

    *within a week

  • Russ

    11pm, no announcement, little faith in the AD. Lets focus on supporting our boys on the diamond this weekend> For all you charlotte trolls, clean up your own housee first> Then come talk.

  • spenceca

    I think Charles Arbuckle hit the nail on the head when he mentioned maybe App should have someone different speaking to FBS conferences. I have been thinking that all along and to hear someone with an outside perspective mention that was eye opening. It is an absolute travesty for our athletic director to indicate they "haven't done a good job" selling App State to potential conferences and they need a change in strategy so late in the game. I don't care what industry you are in that is p*ss poor performance. If I operated that way in my job I wouldn't have a job for long.

  • spenceca

    As a side note, I think the only option left at this point is an WAC-east. The NCAA could allow a waiver to potential FCS schools to allow the WAC to field football in 2013. This is assuming the WAC can add 6 or so schools. WAC meetings are not until the second week of June. If Cobb was to pull a rabbit out of his hat and some other FCS schools follow suit it could work. I would like to see a strong group including JMU to make this move. This is all assuming the tide turns in our favor and Cobb doesn't screw it up….I wouldn't hold your breath…..

  • hapapp

    I seriously doubt any jobs will be lost over this. What it comes down to is location. In the end, I think the market question was likely less a problem than the location of ASU. With no commercial airport within 1 1/2-2 hours, it made it difficult for teams to reach Boone easily. While you can charter flights to Hickory, a volleyball team or tennis team was not likely going to charter a flight. They would fly commercial. You can beat up on whom you like, but no one at ASU has the ability to move the campus.

  • AppInExile

    Yup, we missed our window to move up to FBS…

    …by THREE YEARS. I hate it when the bird is right.

    I knew we were in trouble when I heard CC on the radio pleading our case. Oh well, let's go Diamond Apps.

  • Appnaysayer

    @dreamin'

    You're right on one score. There are some dregs in the CAA–but also some smaller flagship universities with superior academics, including UD, UNH, and Maine. None of those in the SoCon, just the private elites, Elon and Furman. (Frankly, I don't think Wofford's academics are great; Samford's are better, but not in the same league with Elon and Furman). Throw in Villanova (currently), UR, and W&M–as well as Northeastern (basketball) and overall, I think it's better. The CAA, until very recently, really looked at academics in determining membership. NO question in my mind that it's athletically more competitive than the SoCon (ASU should know). And at the risk of getting bashed here, I think that with an exception or two (ECU), it could give C-USA a run for its money in quality of play. Unlike a lot of folks here, I'm not obsessed with athletic "status." I'd rather associate with good academic schools. Like follows like and all that. And I'd prefer not to follow Louisiana-Monroe.

  • apppreacher

    To say Boone is not easily accessible falls in the catagory of myth. Using this tall tale is the tactic of the politics in the debate. 30k manage to get to KBS on Fall weekends. 17k students manage to get up the mountain. App is accessible, unless you believe the Earth is flat.

  • AppMan

    "Joining the CAA would be incredibly stupid. Housing all the the perennial powerhouse teams in one conference only continues to make the FCS playoffs and championship more irrelevant.

    If this is our only choice, then Cobb and Peacock should be fired, period.

    This is not an option and we should not even waste time discussing it."

    After these stupid remarks add me to those who think Midwest is an idiot.

  • MIDWEST

    I'm not sure some of you realize what a royal f*ck up this has been. This would be like Boeg building a fleet of jets in anticipation that Delta would order them if we built them. Then, they cancel the order at the last minute.

    Think of the investments we have made in our facilities. If location was the issue, we would have never made the investment, so that is a complete LIE and cop out. People are acting like Boone is on another planet or something. It's much tougher to fly from the ATL airport to Athens (through Atlanta) than from Charlotte to Boone.

    A private company would have canned this f*cker a long time ago. Why? Because he would have been asked to submit a marketing plan 3 damn years ago and he wouldn't be able to do it himself.

  • MIDWEST

    Boeing, pardon.

  • MIDWEST

    drive from ATL to Athens, sorry still waking up here in the Central time zone.

  • spenceca

    I'm sorry but you have to hold people accountable in any business. That is just the way it works. Cobb stating they "have not done a good job" selling app state and that they need to change strategies is a direct reflection of his work. I don't buy the location thing one bit. It comes down to working with the presidents/chancellors of other institutions and selling to them because they have the votes. Sometimes you have to have a game-plan and need to be aggressive in the approach. After the comments Cobb made it seems like he thought we could just sit on our hands and the conference invite fairy would show up at our door.

  • MIDWEST

    "The only thing that matters (in this world) is to get them to sign on the line which is dotted."

    Did he get it done or not? No. Goodbye and thanks for playing.

  • MIDWEST

    3rd prize is _________

  • MIDWEST

    CC should have watched this year ago.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6Lf8GtMe4M

  • Appgrad11

    Why are people so hung up on the academdics of the other teams in whatever conference were in. Athletically it does not matter were not doing lab reports with them.

  • appdreamin

    11, I don't think anyone is exactly ". . . hung up on the academics of the other teams . . ." Well, maybe Naysayer is, maybe not. Personally, on the topic of academic comparisons, I find the opinions of a career academic interesting.

    Naysayer, thanks for the opinions/comments. One follow up question: though they account for only one conference member (and a non-football one at that, like Northeastern in CAA), wouldn't Davidson be academically superior to all CAA schools?

    Academics and (likely) more losses aside, if we have no FBS invitation, as is obviously the case, and if CAA invited us, I think we should accept. In one sense that would definitely be a lateral move. But even though CAA would represent a move within the same football division, it would also represent a step up in competition in both football and basketball, as well as a move to a league that includes more schools "like us" and fewer (lower percentage of membership) of the "private elites," as Naysayer terms them. Further, I don't see how CAA membership could harm our potential chances for moving to FBS somewhere down the road, and it might actually enhance those chances.

  • Appnaysayer

    Who said I was a "career academic?" I actually own a string of tanning salons.

    I didn't "count" Davidson because they don't play football, but since I mentioned Northeastern, I probably should have. As for Davidson's superiority, yes. Something on the order of 80% of their graduates go on to some sort of professional/graduate school. But, they've got what? 1500 students? Maybe? So I think again it's a matter of flagships v. private elites.

    As for being "hung up" on academics, excuuuuuuuuuse meeeeeeeee, but isn't that exactly what a university should be? Hung up on academics?

    I, too, see no downside to CAA. Better competition, better academics, and it might position us to move with some other veteran FCS programs to FBS, though I personally don't favor a move just for the sake of moving.

    Again, lots of our fans live in a dream world. Facilities? Nice for FCS, no question, but check out the ACC for comparison. Anyone see what UNC has done lately? Not to mention the facilities at the major players like FSU? Our facilities couldn't handle the tailgate overflow from a serious FBS program. Heck, they have 30K that don't even go inside the stadium.

    Boone? Of course it's inaccessible. Look at a map. That's part of its charm. But the major reason remains media coverage. Talk all you want about our share of CLT and Winston-Salem and the Triangle, but it's just that: a "share"–and a small one at aht. And it's peanuts compared with serious FBS football. Not a slam at us. I like where we are and generally WHAT we are academically and athletically, though we could do better on the former.

    As for our supposed "investment?" 50-60 million? Get serious. That too is peanuts by FBS standards. Heck, it probably cost that much just to get Cam Newton to Auburn and to bring back his daddy's business.

    Now, might this be overcome with some creative "marketing?" To some extent probably, but it will be a slow process with a couple of intermediate steps to prove ourselves–in this businessman's opinion.

  • Appnaysayer

    "at that." (dang keyboard)

  • FBS Now !

    Don't know why any of you would even acknowledge the UNC-C trolls that would have come to school in Boone IF they could have gotten in, and IF they could leave their suckling of their mother's breast long enough.

    ————————————————-

    Either get a highly paid outside firm to work on our conference memberships or request a new president and AD.

    I like both of them, but they do not know how to go about conference affiliation or have any clue as to how to get there.

    Terry Holland has it in their minds that CUSA will ask us in just anytime. Baloney. We could get in, but not the way they have been working it. How many CUSA presidents have they called and or visited. Time for some dramatic action. Not sitting, hopeing and praying.

    Get some professional help. Now.

  • Appnaysayer

    You all need to ask yourselves a question. Throughout this whole process, whose predictions have been closest to what has actually transpired? Naysayer or Midwest, Gonzo, Appfantoo, and the "done deal" crowd? The answer will suggest who is dealing in reality.

    Neither you nor most of the ASU alums have ANY idea what serious FBS football will really cost. The so called "study" didn't even get into that–for a very good reason. The numbers would have shocked everyone into acknowledging that it's a long shot. Why do you think they would not answer the faculty's questions about money? Why do you think they NEVER explained how this move was to be funded? If you want to take your disappointment out on someone, blame the study committee. If it had been a serious effort (by that I mean if saying "no" was a real possibility) then this wouldn't sting half as bad.

  • spenceca

    Agreed. Sometimes you just need the right man for the job. Peacock and Cobb have screwed the pooch on this one. It is time to bring in someone to represent App regarding FBS movement. If successful, Peacock and Cobb will come out squeaky clean on the other side.

  • bcoach

    He does make a point that the study was a pretty weak effort. It may be that a better study would have the same results but it really was weak.

  • spenceca

    Naysayer,

    Did you read the entire feasability study? App was profitable by 2 million + with regard to athletics. Lets be honest, what funded that? The answer is football. Granted the 15 million (-13 million in costs/overhead) produced by App athletics is a far cry from the 150 + the University of Texas produced. However, that is comparing apples to oranges. If you look at the numbers we are ahead of most Sunbelt teams and would fit nicely in the old C-USA. On a monetary level we can compete in FBS. The numbers do not lie. We were profitable by 2 million + which is better than a lot of programs in FBS. Florida State is a great example as they were 4 million in the red. Lets not kid ourselves we can compete (monetary wise) with the lower level FBS conferences. That is where we need to be…not with the Samford's, Furman's, and Wofford's of the world.

  • spenceca

    On a side note, a move to FBS will increase the profit margin. Why? Let's say we were to play an OOC game against Michigan in 2014. As an FCS school, we can expect a payout of about $450,000 dollars. As FBS, that number sails north of 1 million (over a 50% increase). In addition, the number of fans at the ticket gate will increase as we could bring in a ECU to our house. Not to mention TV dollars which don't get me started on that. How many TV dollars do you think we got from PBS?

  • spenceca

    …and don't tell me App doesn't have a solid brand. I live in Texas and people know who App State is. Don't believe it….Every FBS game we have played (minus VT last year) has been broadcasted in Texas. Even the 2009 APP/ECU game was broadcast here in Texas.

  • MIDWEST

    No reason to debate this any longer. The results of the study suggested that we would be better off financially in the FBS.

    However, the study did not prescribe a strategy or action plan. We assumed that the two at the helm could get the job done.

    Does anyone know if Cobb actually interviewed for the Miss St. job? I think that should be public knowledge as it could show that his interest was elsewhere at a time when deals were getting done.

    I don't think so as I believe the problem is just plain stupidity.

    Dumb.

  • MIDWEST

    Naysayer may think that he's right, but being correct while watching our donations dry up is not where we want to be, I can assure you. That is exactly what is about to happen.

    Dumb.

  • MIDWEST

    This one goes out to anyone who can help right the ship (at App and the good ole USA).

    Truly, we need something to believe in just about now.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5uamDMoW4o

  • "Gonzo, Appfantoo, and the “done deal” crowd?"

    What in God's name are you talking about? I know I've never said anything was a "done deal" nor do I recall appfantoo using such verbiage. MW is the only one. It's cool for you to continue your nonsensical campaign against ASU athletics, buy do me a favor: stop making things up and keep my name out of your mouth.

  • hapapp

    Actually the job Cobb was mentioned for was Southern Miss.

    If you don't think our location has worked against us you are wrong. It's senseless to compare ASU to UGA, that's apples to oranges. If a team has to fly into Charlotte or Greensboro and then bus 2 hours to Boone, they are going to see that as pretty inconvenient. While market might have been a problem, I think it less of one now. Also keep in mind, the process is not dead.

  • AppMan

    Anyone unwilling to admit ASU has some hurdles to overcome isn't being honest. I'm as big a advocate of FBS football as anyone associated with ASU. I've been fighting to get us BACK to the 1-A level since the day we were kicked down in 1092 and have the letters to Jum Garner to prove it. Unfortunately for ASU the dynamics changed drastically over the past 12 months. With the loss of the Memphis, Orlando, Houston and Dallas TV markets CUSA was forced to replace those or risk losing their TV deal. That wasn't an issue before. If you want to blame someone for this situation how about holding the previous administrations accountable for dragging their feet on this the past 30 years. Chancellor Peacock & Charlie Cobb are working to correct the mistakes of the past 30 years. The parameters seem to change on a weekly basis. Some of you are making statements about things you have ZERO frist hand knowledge of.

  • MIDWEST

    Let's see how many donations to academics pour in when we are playing Gardner-Webb and Presbyterian on a regular basis. They will dry up, just like Yosef Club donations.

    Fools.

  • AppMan

    1982! Fat fingers and a small keyboard are a bad combination.

  • MIDWEST

    If I needed cancer removed, I'd hire an oncologist. If I needed my car worked on, I'd go to a mechanic. If I wanted to move to FBS…I'd hire a high-powered sports marketing firm. They don't know anything about taking a school to the FBS, but I guess they've been living at the Holiday Inn Express for the past three years.

    Working hard is not good enough. Make it rain or leave.

    Dumb.

  • apppreacher

    If location has worked against us, them those who have used that excuse as a reason to exclude us are among those who believe the moon landings were faked. It is a sorry myth.

  • MIDWEST

    One of our problems is not selling the brand. When you have idiots representing you, they tend to think of Appalachian State in this manner. I'm serious…outside of the region, people are not aware of the beauty and splendor that is App State.

    Boulder of the East with an Ivy League Twist. Bring it back and you can sell it.

    http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/01/death-of

  • apppreacher

    I travel for a living. Sometimes I use airports 90 minutes away due to cost. The distance isn't that big a deal,even with larger groups.

  • spenceca

    I agree. The issue of Boone being inaccessible is just flat wrong. This is an issue of sitting on your hands and hoping someone will invite you.

  • spenceca

    Don't believe that then why did Cobb make the statement they have not done a good enough job?

  • JimC

    One factor on travel possibly not considered: US Airways CLT hub offers nonstops to nearly 200 cities. Teams can get group space on nonstops into CLT, then bus less than 2 hours to Boone. This is less total travel time than making a connection to a city that might have an airport a little closer. Group space is always much less $ than a charter; good option for most teams other than possibly football. Football charters can fly into TRI TN or CLT and still have relatively short bus trip.

  • MIDWEST

    we're a baseball school anyway… App up 2-0 bottom of 7th.

  • hapapp

    "This is less total travel time than making a connection to a city that might have an airport a little closer."

    Not trying to be dense but how is that so?

    How much more expensive would travel be for So.Miss play UNCC in Charlotte versus playing ASU in Boone?

    I can bet the concern expressed by CUSA teams is having to fly x amount of time and then bus 1 1/2-2 hours to Boone. It might be more a problem of perception than reality, but it is a hitch.

  • Appnaysayer

    The so called "study" did NOT give a cost accounting for what the move would cost and whether our measly 2 mill profit would cover it or could even be maintained with the addition of TV money, conference money etc. The faculty asked for just such an accounting and got the runaround. Appfan covered it here. The "study" did not even list how much is currently owed on the stadium improvements. The numbers on this thing have been hinky all along. And if you want to see us in the red, wait until we start flying the field hockey team to Texas to play in the Sun Belt.

    Let us not be naive here. Just try this mental picture: University of Houston, flying to CLT, driving two hours up the mountain to play basketball against the Apps. This is what some of you envisioned just six months ago. How's that lookin' about now?

  • Appnaysayer

    And it's snowing when the UH bus passes Wilkesboro.

  • spenceca

    Well that's not gonna happen so it doesn't matter anyway. Last time I checked the University of Houston will be in the Big East in 2013. Also, there are other options for schools to get to Boone rather than going through CLT. Obviously you feel App should stay in the FCS based on your statement. Well I guess we can agree to disagree.

  • spenceca

    Gonna make a ton on money playing the likes of Samford, Furman, and Elon. Guess we shouldn't be flying to Alabama anymore to play Samford (including the field hockey team) cause we just can't afford it…..

    although our athletics department is profitable….huh?

  • spenceca

    oh crap….can't go to the University of Minnesota anymore cause it snows there….I think we need to kick them out of the Big Ten….on account of snow….

  • spenceca

    …and how the hell does Elon and UNCG make it all the way up the mountain in the winter for basketball games when it is snowing…well guess they can't take a bus…maybe they use snow dogs?…Ridiculous

  • hapapp

    But they didn't get off a plane and then make that same ride.

    BTW, field hockey doesn't play Samford.

  • AppMan

    Jumping on a bus outside the gym for a two hr ride is a tad different from taking that bus to the airport, getting through security and boarding a plane, a couple of hours in the air, getting through baggage claim then boarding another bus for that two hr drive. Yea, teams do it every day, but don't try to make it sound like getting to boone is like getting the kids together for quick a trip over to McDonalds for a happy meal.

  • ASUGoose

    We better beat ECU and run the table this to a national championship to raise our stock…..

  • MIDWEST

    Yes, Naysayer, which is why so many teams are getting in line to move DOWN to FCS. How many? None and there is a reason for that other than just chest thumping…although I'm sure that's nice as well.

  • GoApps73

    I like the CAA alot There are a lot of upsides particulary if men's basketball is figured into the equation.

    Outside of the immediate area, who has heard of Elon, Wofford, etc.? Basically, excluding ASU, who has heard of any of the Southern Conference football teams?

    However, generally the CAA teams have more name recognition.

  • (sigh)

    Cobb out of a job yet?

  • spenceca

    You are correct hapapp. I just think that the notion that Boone is difficult to get to is overblown.

  • Appnaysayer

    Clearly, "spence" doesn't read as I said it's what lots of the "done deal" group on this blog envisioned 6 months ago. Indeed, the consensus was that we should not accept a bid to the Sun Belt. It was beneath us. It was either Big East or C-USA.

    I do not favor FBS based on the "study" that we have now. Once we see some real projected numbers, travel cost, projected increases in student fees, current debt, how it's financed, percentage covered by alumni contributions, etc., then we can talk. Until then, no. Never ceases to amaze me how a self-proclaimed "businessman" and "physical conservative" like Midwest gets all goofy at the mention of FBS when there are no hard numbers about projected costs. Some conservative.

    As for Boone's inaccessibility, of course it's a factor. Because of that, we don't have media outlets and whatever case you can make for a shared market, the stark fact remains that we have no local TV, weak radio coverage (anyone try to get the game on WATA yesterday?), and pretty much an amateur operation when it comes to online info (goasu.com). We're also a comparatively small university with no law school, medical school, engineering school or other means of turning out well-heeled alumni. We turn out teachers and CPAs. Again, that's not an indictment of ASU. God knows we need teachers. It's simply another limiting factor largely ignored by the pie-in-the-sky FBS crowd.

  • MadDoctor

    I'm glad the "teachers" can afford to pack the stands at KB at a rate higher than half of the CUSA. Last time I checked, UNCC didn't have a medical or law school either and it didn't hurt them too much in getting in the FBS. We know who we are, we know who we are not, and we know where we are located. Most importantly, we know we can compete with the schools with whom we are wanting to join, and that there are a number of FBS conferences that would be damned lucky to have us. Keep the faith. The FBS playoff decision has been delayed, which gives us more time to get our message out the way we should have earlier. If there is another wave, it may just be our turn.

    Remember the Miracle on the Mountain against Furman? That is who we are and what we do. We didn't quit then and we shouldn't give up now. I was as frustrated as anyone over the events of the past few weeks, but getting down helps nothing. How do you think the university of Miami, Florida State, and Va. Tech felt when the Big XII and SEC teamed up and blew them off.

  • Appnaysayer

    Geez, does anybody read? It's not about attendance or the fan base. it's not even about whether we can compete with this or that school or in this or that conference. It's about media exposure, advertising revenues for ESPN, and through that, exposure for the conference. And It's about alumni contributions. And if I'm not mistaken, UNCC does have engineering and several Ph.D. programs.

    I grow weary of this. Back to the baseball game.

  • NWA

    Naysayer – your logic and clear thinking have no place here.

  • spenceca

    Pretty discouraging quote from the SOCON commish…

    In a somewhat amusing reversal of fortune, the school’s football powerhouses were forced to cede power to the basketball leaders, as evidenced by a rather blunt quote from SoCon commish John Iamarino.

    “We understand that App State and Georgia Southern have been fairly public about aspirations to move to the Bowl Subdivision, but as their coaches and administrators said, you need an invitation and their phone isn’t ringing. They’re happy to be in the SoCon and we’re happy to have them. So we look forward to continuing with them.”

  • spenceca

    In response to Naysayer's comment…

    "Clearly, “spence” doesn’t read as I said it’s what lots of the “done deal” group on this blog envisioned 6 months ago. Indeed, the consensus was that we should not accept a bid to the Sun Belt. It was beneath us. It was either Big East or C-USA."

    I did read this comment and understand you mentioned 6 months ago. I was just attempting to point out that Boone is not as difficult to get to as many seem to suggest. Maybe I did not do a good job elaborating my point.

    Also, while APP does graduate future teachers and CPA's I think it is a bit disheartening to stereotype our alumni base. Since I work in drug development I guess I am fortunate APP graduates individuals with a science background as well. I guess its a good thing I can read knowing I am one of the individuals helping to develop new drugs that will be beneficial for those that need them.

  • apppreacher

    Hey guys, could the baseball Apps be the finsl catslyst we need to get that coveted FBS invite?

  • MadDoctor

    I guess logic and clear thinking would have told us we had no business even going to Michigan. There are many sound, logical reasons for us belonging in the FBS, (including our market and accessibility), but they would again fall on the deaf ears of the naysayers.

    The bottom line is all any of us can do is wait and see what happens. In the meantime, choose your own outlook.

  • Appnaysayer

    I know a lot of undergrads who work in "drug development."

    As for stereotypes of alumni bases, here's one: "less than 4 mill in Yosef contributions."

    Here's another: "inability to fund all scholarships in all sports NOW with Yosef contributions."

    And one more: "Athletics supported in part NOW with money from the general fund."

    When you have data and an objective study with some hard numbers, get back to me. Until then, I'm with the SoCon Commish.

  • NWA

    And one more: “Athletics supported in part NOW with money from the general fund.”

    Really? I did not think that was permissable in the NC School system. Money for academics can not be used for athletics? Or is that only construction of athletic facilities can't used state funding?

  • bcoach

    You can talk about every reason under the sun but the real fact boils down to one thing. We WILL NOT get an invite till conferences feel they have maxed out their TV exposure.

    If you think that we have turned a 2mil profit then you have a place in the federal government. Profit is after ALL the bills have been paid.

  • GoApps73

    Mad Doctor, we went to Michigan for a payday. The same reason for the trips to VT, LSU, Auburn, Florida, etc. The reasoning for the return to the "Big House" is money as well.

    The difference in the trip to Michigan in 2007 was that we were absolutely loaded with exceptional personnel. I believe we had five NFL players on the roster?

    Let's get the men's basketball program out of the pathetic Southern Conference.

  • nwa

    Staying fcs …. There is an App for that.

  • MadDoctor

    73- And do you believe we will continue recruiting our "exceptional personnel" by making a lateral move to the CAA? As far as basketball goes, if the SoCon is so pathetic, why don't we ever win it? So we play pee-wee football, in order to follow Davidson and Charleston to a better basketball conference? When we begin to look at realignment as a way to sacrifice football for the sake of basketball, we have truly given up.

    Keeping the faith. FBS by 2014.