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CAA officially on hunt for SoCon schools

What, we worry?Invites – “The CAA, with commissioner Tom Yeager on the hunt to replenish its recently depleted membership, formally has contacted SoCon schools App State, Davidson and CofC. Reports surfaced this week naming Elon and Furman – and Stony Brook of the AEC – as additional replacement options. Furman has had no official contact with the CAA, per multiple sources. Elon publicly has taken a silent stance on the matter.” SoCon hopes any school that bolts will announce so by July 4.


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  1. Jack '74

    June 23, 2012 at 3:19 am

    The CAA has some attraction but possible future complications (short- and longer-term) make the SoCon a better situation right now. I don't want us to become that itinerant, vagabond school that moves and then 2-3-4 years moves again and still has to pay a million smackaroos (or more) just for the cost of moving on up to whereever that night be.

  2. Free

    June 23, 2012 at 4:13 am

    I would be ok with it. I mean, this isnt just a pushover conference like many are treating them. 11 of the 12 schools in the caa have a student enrollment of over 12,000. 6 of those schools are over 20,000(with 3 schools over 30,000). The caa offers a heck of a lot less travel time for our STUDENT athletes than any other D1 conference. Plus, we would have a more attractive out of conference schedule(I used to love the App/wake forest games). I say if the offer is on the table, we snatch it.

  3. Little Birdie

    June 23, 2012 at 4:23 am

    Little Birdie is enjoying his coffee and contemplating all of the interesting matchups that will arise when the Mountaineers move to the CAA. Of course, Little Birdie has heard that this move is inevitable and Little Birdie is always correct.

  4. Giv'em He'

    June 23, 2012 at 4:29 am

    If our goal is to move UP to a BCS conference, then I don't see how a move to CAA would help. If our goal were to change and we decide to stay in the FCS, then a move to CAA would be fine.

  5. EMCasu04

    June 23, 2012 at 5:28 am

    Not gonna happen. Next!

  6. Yosef77

    June 23, 2012 at 6:06 am

    If we were to make this move I would hope that it would be under the condition that we would not have to pay an exit fee if we moved again to an FBS conference in the next 5 years. If we could negotiate that in the acceptance terms then it might not be to bad because they are a step up from the SoCon but the exit fee would turn me off if we couldn't avoid it.


    June 23, 2012 at 6:24 am

    This move would be insane, given our desire to move to FBS. None of the FBS conferences said they didn't invite App because they played in the SoCon. If the move is designed to satisfy fans, forget about it as it will only piss the FBS crowd off even more. Not interested in a a consolation prize.

    This would be like a sales rep bragging to his boss about a deal he just closed, when the reality is the customer called the 800 number unsolicited and placed the order without the rep being involved.

    Not impressed. Make it rain.

  8. Appywho?

    June 23, 2012 at 6:37 am

    Appy state should be thrilled right now! CAA is much better than the SoCon. This would be a step up in all sports. I have no idea why the students of Boone Community College would not like this move. IT IS A GIFT!!! You will never be able to move up to the FBS ranks of the national research universities. CAA is the pinnacle of what BCC could ever hope for.

  9. AppOrange

    June 23, 2012 at 6:46 am

    Little Birdie:

    I hope for your sake you are right about this, because as it stands, you have yet to be be "correct" about anything you claim on this site.

  10. RadioFan

    June 23, 2012 at 7:15 am

    CAA is a tougher FB conference, tougher BB conference but an easier Baseball conference. Their Olympic sports are about the same.

    The CAA does offer Lacrosse which App doesn't field a team in. Right now App fields every sport the SoCon holds.

    The two things the CAA has that the SoCon doesn't is: NBC TV deal and State Flagship Schools: Maine, New Hampshire, and Delaware.

    Travel costs will go up probably. App would lose long standing rivalry games as well.

  11. sixtoes9134

    June 23, 2012 at 7:17 am

    The ONLY way a move to the CAA makes sense is IF FBS is completely not an option for us in any way.

    At least CAA gets decent TV media deals.

    But, I do agree – in life you only get what you negotiate – so if we did make the move and FBS was still a real possibility in the next two years – then get it included in the deal.

  12. sixtoes9134

    June 23, 2012 at 7:18 am

    I meant get a negotiated exit fee included in the deal


    June 23, 2012 at 7:18 am

    This is insane. Joining the CAA would suggest that this administration has thrown in the towel on moving to FBS. Otherwise, why would we move to CAA only to switch conferences and move UP in a year or two.

    Dumb. F-ing Dumb.

  14. RadioFan

    June 23, 2012 at 7:23 am

    Midwest, the answer is $Money.

    The CAA schools split a better TV deal. Split a better NCAA BBall Tourny purse and always has more FCS Tourny teams.

    Like SixToes said, if App can get a good negotiated exit fee I see no real downside to the move.

  15. Appgrad11

    June 23, 2012 at 7:25 am

    Amen Midwest. We should be kissing the sunbelts tail right about now

  16. RadioFan

    June 23, 2012 at 7:25 am

    The TV Deal against state flagship schools will bring in very good exposure for App. More so than playing WCU, Elon, Citadel, Samfords, etc.

    Their BBall tourny is carried by more stations than the SoCon's and is respected 10x more.

    It would lead to an easier path to the postseason in baseball, too.

  17. ASU Lacrosse 18

    June 23, 2012 at 8:11 am

    RadioFan, we do have a lacrosse team, but we're in the SELC for now.

  18. bcoach

    June 23, 2012 at 8:36 am

    So how would you feel if Elon and Furman left and we were left here? Could happen. What powerhouse could we get to replace them?

    If we are really so prepared and the big shots are really that behind a move to FBS then a million bucks is not that big a deal. Then again maybe the big shots are not really that big. maybe we are strolling into the bar with a great big roll of one dollar bills.

  19. apppreacher

    June 23, 2012 at 8:47 am

    CAA has said we have to give up on going to FBS if we join them.

  20. Carbine

    June 23, 2012 at 9:11 am

    What if the SoCon and the CAA simply merged into a super FCS conference with southern and northern divisions.


    June 23, 2012 at 9:36 am

    If we join the CAA, plan on being there for 10+ years…which will be devastating for our program. Blunder of epic proportion. Where is the accountability????



    June 23, 2012 at 10:05 am

    Super FCS conference= simply a bigger turd in the same size toilet. FCS is dying on the vine and this is not the answer.

  23. Wild west

    June 23, 2012 at 10:37 am

    Remember the CAA has no exit fee to move football to FBS. Us, JMU and Delaware could do MAC football only and not pay a dime to leave. That way all other sports would be taken care of with a real TV deal to boot. Still hopeful.

  24. sixtoes9134

    June 23, 2012 at 10:50 am

    Yes, but CAA is changing it to 1MM.

  25. Wild west

    June 23, 2012 at 11:00 am

    Only for Olympic sports. CAA Football is a seperate entwet with different bylaws There is still no exit fee to move football to FBS.

  26. Wild west

    June 23, 2012 at 11:01 am

    Stupid phone. I meant entity

  27. Gwaltineer

    June 23, 2012 at 11:03 am

    With the exception of JMU and Richmond, it's rediculous to think about trading the SoCon rivals for Deleware and Maine. Great schools, but no reason we'd stop playing Furman and Georgia Southern for those teams.

  28. DSG

    June 23, 2012 at 11:06 am

    I don't like this idea. I think we missed the boat big-time with the Sunbelt. Realistically, what makes CUSA so much better? ECU? They will leave first chance they get, eventually some form of the big east will take them. We have always hung our hat on the uniqueness that is ASU, and the SBC offers an opportunity to truly showcase that. We would step in with a great rep, awesome facilities, and the only NC FBS school in that conference. I think a greater chance for bowl games, as well. We could still schedule ECU or other OOC games; I think FIU just beat Louisville in Florida last year. Remember, we are a destination town. The chance is there to carve out an FBS niche in the SBC that would be MUCH more difficult in CUSA. As an alum that has financially supported this institution, I'm disappointed in our leadership for what I perceive as a short-sighted decision.

  29. ceez

    June 23, 2012 at 11:08 am

    Being a Virginia resident I would love this because it would allow me to attend more away games during football season. I would even consider a mid-week visit to Towson, Mason, or JMU during basketball season.

    I don't think this is what Charlie Cobb or other powers that be have in mind for the direction of the program. Then again, we've not received a clear direction as to where the program is headed. I agree with Midwest in one aspect. We need someone to step up and start making moves. We are at a stand still.

  30. Not A Little Birdie

    June 23, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    In an old topic on this board 'sun belt rumors', Appstategrad2008 wrote a truly insightful post and got some candid thoughts from Peacock about App's situation. When I read it (back on March 14), I knew deep down that the final landing spot would be in CAA with James Madison. I just knew.

    I've read what thinks. I've read what anygivensaturday thinks. And I've read what people on here think. None of it matters. All that matters is what Peacock thinks.

    App State to Conference USA was a no-brainer, right? Guess what? Peacock isn't enthralled with the idea of joining CUSA at all. Never was. Moving up to FBS is the #1 concern, right? Nah. It's travel costs. We need to better market our potential better? Actually, infrastructure is a real concern and addressing it will be a challenge, since App is maxing out its resources.

    The direction of the program? It is to create a path to the FBS in a league with schools within the region. Peacock wanted ECU in that created league, but we all know they're headed to the Big East eventually. Peacock wanted Charlotte, but that was back in March before the C-USA invitation which nixed that possibility.

    Today, Peacock is going to want to join up with James Madison in the CAA, imho. He'll have his regional conference rivals which we'll address his travel concerns. And the possibility of creating a 'CAA-FBS' conference with App State as a founding member will be closer to reality. It's kind of what I thought all along.

    I know it's not necessarily what people think App State should do. But the people writing messageboard banter who are all saying that there's no possible way that App will join the CAA don't have Peacock's job title.

  31. T

    June 23, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    This could be a good measuring stick for our fan base. We would see better competition and if were to see a 6-4 or 5-5 or worse, we see just how many fair weather fans we have out there.

  32. coloradoapp

    June 23, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    The goal is get better and move up. A move to the CAA would give a reasonable step forward for both.

    Legit question remains as to whether we would be competitive in any FBS conference. The CAA would give us greater and more consistent competition than the SoCon without us becoming another Marshal.

    A move to the CAA would also broaden and heighten our national exposure. Has anyone noticed that CAA teams are moving up to FBS and none from the SoCon?

    I would hate to see us lose playing Furman and Georgia Southern! But, they would make awesome out of conference games – preparing us for the higher competition in CAA. Much better out of conference games than PC or GW!!

    as well as broader exposure. We are already well known in our current (small) circle

  33. coloradoapp

    June 23, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    **delete last line

  34. coloradoapp

    June 23, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    One more thought … the logistics of App adequately hosting teams like Georgia Tech, Gamecocks, Vols, etc are years if not decades away in terms of stadium expansion and traffic flow into and around Boone. The move to CAA would buy us much needed time to solve these real problems that are the main reason for our lack of FBS invite.

  35. Jack '74

    June 23, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    Hey T–Please define "fair weather" fan for me. I started attending Appalachian football games in 1970 and have been to hundreds of them; home and away; in sun, rain, fog, snow, wind, heat, day, night–you name it. I have always been pissed when the Apps didn't win every gme and I always will be. A 6-5 record will damn well upset me regardless of the competition. To say I'm a "fair weather" fan if the Apps lose to Troy or FIU when I have been to all three national championship games is disgusting, tiresome and insulting. Move up to mediocrity. 8-3, 7-4 and a win in the Toilet Bowl in Tupelo, Mississippi two days before Christmas ain't my idea of a successful football season/program……….I'm sorry……..It just is not…………..

  36. Greg

    June 23, 2012 at 5:08 pm

    'coloradoapp' makes a valid point. Our level of play is well documented in the minds of the FBS community. The win over Michigan did that by itself. Our consistent 10 win seasons speak for themselves.

    Infrastructure and the ability to host the influx of visiting fans is key. With the (eventual and near) completion of the widening of HWY 321 it makes for plenty of access to the town. But do we have enough hotels and restaurants to host an increasing number of new visitors once they're there? — Probably not. Anyone who has been to an app game knows you're not getting into any restaurant post game for at least 3 hours, and do we expect fans from Columbia to stay in Hickory and drive up the morning of? — That's NOT going to be good enough for an FBS school.

    On the field we're ready, but off the field Boone and ASU aren't.

  37. T

    June 23, 2012 at 6:11 pm

    Jack 74,

    Why don't we start defining "fair weather" fan with the 10,000 – 12,000 that I don't see at playoff games. How about the student section emptying out around half time.

  38. hapapp

    June 23, 2012 at 6:23 pm

  39. Keith

    June 23, 2012 at 6:25 pm

    A "fair weather" fan is hard to define. I expect tough seasons when we move to FBS. However, 6-5 in the CAA….FCS is a different story.

    I think we should stay with Southern. ASU and GSU seem linked to me. Together the two of us (along with Wofford)are SoCon football. I can't see ASU on an island by themselves (Wofford isn't going anywhere and Southern isn't getting a FBS invite before we do.).

    No thanks to the CAA!


    June 23, 2012 at 6:33 pm

    If we are still "committed" to joining an FBS conference, then there is absolutely no reason to move to the CAA. Our stop will only drop further.

    If the real excuse for our not being asked to an FBS is our location, joining the CAA doesn't change that. We have nothing left to prove in the FCS, so it makes absolutely no sense to move to the CAA…if our intention is to move to the FBS.

    Of course, nothing surprises me at this point based on how badly we've blundered this whole deal from the beginning.

    Have we hired a marketing firm yet? Just curious.



    June 23, 2012 at 6:34 pm

    our stock, not stop. typo.

  42. MadDoctor

    June 23, 2012 at 6:35 pm

    A lateral move to the CAA could only be interpreted as one thing- complete resignation. Our message to FBS conferences would be- "you are correct. We are not ready. We are not in the same class as Charlotte, Old Dominion, Arkansas State, Georgia State, or Troy. We are aspiring to be like better FCS schools like Richmond. You are absolutely right. We have poor facilities, little fan support, and we live 6 hours from the nearest incorporated town. Thank you for putting us in our place. Instead of choosing us, might we recommend Delaware or James Madison? That way we might be better able to compete in our new conference and have a prayer to make the expanded FCS playoffs."

    A better strategy is to get together with Georgia Southern and plead our case again to the Sun Belt. We are so close to getting in there NOW. Moving to the CAA would be beyond desperation and embarrassment and would set our program back 30 years. Honestly, I don't think I could bear to watch it.

  43. AppWyo

    June 23, 2012 at 7:32 pm

    Moving to the CAA is total BS. In the SoCon we have instate rivalries. A move to the CAA would end them all…

  44. Appywho?

    June 23, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    A lateral move to the CAA could only be interpreted as one thing- complete resignation. Our message to FBS conferences would be- “you are correct. We are not ready. We are not in the same class as Charlotte, Old Dominion, Arkansas State, Georgia State, or Troy. We are aspiring to be like better FCS schools like Richmond. You are absolutely right. We have poor facilities, little fan support, and we live 6 hours from the nearest incorporated town. Thank you for putting us in our place. Instead of choosing us, might we recommend Delaware or James Madison? That way we might be better able to compete in our new conference and have a prayer to make the expanded FCS playoffs.”

    Hit the nail on the head…

  45. dapp

    June 23, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    stupid move is what it would be. the caa really how many champions do they have? closer trips really? they do have great basketball, but we are not good and dont attend games. baseball just lost a coach that brought us success, lets see how this admin replaces him. dirt cheap i would bet. if we are going to be good we fans and alums are going to have to pony up some large cash. money builds programs not conferences.

  46. bcoach

    June 24, 2012 at 3:26 am

    And we just don't have that money plain and simple.


    June 24, 2012 at 4:39 am

    I think it has been demonstrated many times that we lose more money in the FCS than we will in the FBS. However, a lateral move to the CAA will likely cost us more, not less, even with slightly more TV exposure.

    Finally, please explain to me how that having all the best teams in the same FCS conference makes sense. It just means we will lose more games, further minimizing our chances to move to Varsity.

    CAA is not an option, plain and simple. I'm anxious to see what kind of spin the "leaders" put on this one.



    June 24, 2012 at 5:41 am

    I would like to see App, JMU, and Marshall EXPLORE a move to the MAC. Marshall is only 81 miles from Athens, Ohio (Ohio U- great college town) so the MAC may be a better fit for them anyway.

    At this point (because of all the blunders), we have to be open-minded.

  49. AppInExile

    June 24, 2012 at 5:57 am

    Moving to CAA isn't a great move for us. How many years in a row have we seen five teams from the Colonial make it into the FCS Playoffs only to all get bounced by the 2nd Round? They're all banged up from beating the stuffing out of each other all season.

    Do we really want that? I don't see how going CAA increases our prestige or helps us reach out goal of being an FBS team, especially since the CAA administration has made it crystal clear that if we join we must forget about the FBS dream.


    June 24, 2012 at 6:00 am

    And for the record:

    Boone to Ohio U: 316 miles

    Boone to the Stink: 334 miles

    Boone to Samford: 415 miles

    Athens, OH is a beautfiful campus and is considered part of the Appalachian mountain region. Look at a map and google photos.

  51. apppreacher

    June 24, 2012 at 6:11 am

    According to Flynn in the WD, we are not interested in anything but an FBS conference.

  52. bcoach

    June 24, 2012 at 7:14 am

    Just a question. If we are so ready for FBS why would we be losing more games in CAA? I think we are better than that.

  53. bcoach

    June 24, 2012 at 7:23 am

    See I think the better competition thing is smoke. CAA offers better competition but now the complaint is we would lose more games. Just be honest. Most people want to move to FBS so that they can hear us mentioned on TV a couple times. It hurts some people when they talk to someone who doesn’t know who we are. Nothing wrong with that, just be honest. Just give a consistent argument.

  54. Atlanta App

    June 24, 2012 at 8:05 am

    First, let me admit up front that I haven't kept up with the details of this as diligently as many of you have. So if I've missed a point here I apologize. But sitting here in Atlanta and reading about Georgia State and Charlotte making the move to FBS is a kick in the gut because THEIR INVITATIONS to FBS conferences can't have anything to do with their success on the football field. So clearly it'a all about potential revenue – TV and game day. They're bigger schools in bigger cities and and the bottom line is obviously – the bottom line. One of the greatest things about ASU is the geography. But it's also the natural enemy of a move to FBS. I'll be a fan of and support ASU sports no matter what level or conference we're in. As far as the CAA (assuming we stay FCS for a few more years at least) I believe the question is – will a move give us more exposure and help us recruit better athletes than staying in the SC which looks like it may be losing some top members in the near future?

  55. MadDoctor

    June 24, 2012 at 8:16 am

    Through all of this garbage, our goal has remained the same- a move up the FBS level. As long as the CAA is an FCS conference, anything they do is not relevant to us.

    While we are in this holding pattern, I only hope that the powers that be are making our case to CUSA, Sunbelt, and MAC. We have made mistakes and incorrect assumptions, but our brand is strong and unchanged. The CAA only wants us as a quick replacement for what they have lost (Were they interested in us before they were raided?). We are better than that.


    June 24, 2012 at 8:24 am

    I like better conf and non-conf competition for sure, but stacking most of the strong teams in one conference is idiotic. You'll end up with James Madison or App playing Buttwipe College in the national championship game.

    It also does not enable us to play in-state FBS teams like the Tarholes, Wolfpack, and Wake. Sure, part of the motivation of the FBS crowd is to land more of these non-conf games. Anyone that says otherwise is lying. Nothing wrong with that objective.

    I can't wait to hear the excuses as to why these teams will not schedule us when we move to FBS.

  57. RadioFan

    June 24, 2012 at 8:33 am

    Finally, please explain to me how that having all the best teams in the same FCS conference makes sense. It just means we will lose more games, further minimizing our chances to move to Varsity.

    Please… Of the last 3 east coast teams that went FCS->FBS they were all from the CAA. UMass, ODU, GaSt.


    June 24, 2012 at 8:35 am

    Those teams moving to FBS has absolutely NOTHING to do with the fact that they were affiliated with the CAA. You're smarter than that.

    As an aside, check out the Ohio Univ stadium below. Look familiar?

  59. RadioFan

    June 24, 2012 at 8:37 am

    You're the one that said it'd hurt App's chance to go "Varsity" (gag).

    The last three teams that made the move on the East came from CAA. Didn't hurt their chances, now did it?


    June 24, 2012 at 8:53 am

    My point, which could have been articulated better, was clarified when I said it makes no sense to have most of the best teams in the same conference. Furthermore, it does not allow us to schedule in-state FBS teams.

    Idea…just throwing it out there.

    MAC East

    App State


    James Madison


    Ohio University



    Toledo (or Akron/Kent/etc.)

    MAC West

    Northern Illinois

    Kent State

    Bowling Green


    Central Mich

    Eastern Mich

    Western Mich

    Ball State

  61. hapapp

    June 24, 2012 at 8:58 am

    Their market orientation had more to do with their FBS fortunes not their conference affiliation. Also you seem to be forgetting UNCC. They were not a CAA member. Moving to the CAA won't change our market situation or location. While I would welcome the chance to play a number of the better CAA schools, in FCS the goal is to win a national championship. I believe we have a better shot in the SoCon than the CAA to accomplish that.

    In the end, I don't think we make the move. As has been stated numerous times, our admin is pursuing FBS status and making the move to the CAA doesn't improve our chances. If the CAA wants a long term FCS commitment, then there is no way we accept it unless we have given up on FBS. I'm pretty sure we haven't.

  62. RadioFan

    June 24, 2012 at 9:08 am

    UNCC wasn't a member of anything. They moved from nothing to FBS. Yes, they have to play an FCS-FBS Transition Schedule but they didn't "Move"

    App State doesn't belong in the MAC either. No regional schools to build rivalries with. If you believe App fits in a conference with Buffalo, Directional Mich schools you're dreaming. UDel has not made any mention that they want to move to FBS. JMU is the only CAA school remaining that has expressed interests in moving up. The MAC dream is just as far fetched at the WAC East.

  63. RadioFan

    June 24, 2012 at 9:10 am

    Their market orientation had more to do with their FBS fortunes not their conference affiliation.

    I know this. But Midwest said that CAA would hurt App's chances of moving up. It wouldn't. The market is the biggest thing hurting App. Nothing else. A move to the CAA would put App in a conference with big Public Schools, State Flagship Schools and a conference with a lot more TV exposure than PBS can handle.

  64. Not A Little Birdie

    June 24, 2012 at 9:27 am

    Conference USA voted against App State's membership 11-1. If you believe that the MAC & Sun Belt are super eager to vote in favor of App State's membership then you probably drank too much on saturday night.

    The eventual goal is to reach FBS. The dream is to assemble a new conference. Staying in the Socon where, last time I checked, they also expect a commitment to FCS is not getting App any closer to FBS either.


    June 24, 2012 at 9:36 am

    Radio- You are missing the point.

    "The Times-News reported that should Appalachian State move to the CAA, it would have to abandon its effort to play in an FBS conference."

    Ask yourself what people (who know sports) think of App? The Michigan win and maybe three national championships. They have no idea about conference records. Furthermore, joining the CAA reduces our chances of winning a national championship. So, our location AND our FCS national prowess (wins on the field) COULD hinder our move UP.

    The bottom line is there is no reason to move to CAA if we want to move to FBS. No reason to buy a bigger house in your home town if you are moving to Seattle in in 6 months.


    June 24, 2012 at 9:38 am

    Finally, if we move to CAA and abandon FBS, all hell is going to break loose with alumni. You can take that to the bank…where there money will stay instead of donating to the YOSEF club.


    June 24, 2012 at 9:38 am


  68. Not A Little Birdie

    June 24, 2012 at 9:39 am

    RadioFan, while UDel has not made any mention of moving up to FBS, they may be receptive to the idea if it involves a group of CAA schools moving up together in the same conference (the Peacock Plan)

  69. coloradoapp

    June 24, 2012 at 9:48 am

    Going a back a few comments – the value of having most of the best teams in one conference is easily seen by a look at the SEC.

    Yes, they do beat each other up, and yes teams like SC have a couple more loses. But every game is exciting and meaningful. And, when they play out of conference teams they clean up because they have made each other better – especially for post season play.

    A move to the FBS must be made when we are strong enough to regularly handle higher competition. The CAA is a better place to prepare than the SoCon – the example of Marshal has been set for us. For us not to learn from it would be 'dumb.'


    June 24, 2012 at 9:48 am

    I have always been in favor of a conference that included Delaware, JMU, etc. It just needs to be FBS, and not FCS…along with others we have discussed over the past 3-4 years on this board.

  71. Not A Little Birdie

    June 24, 2012 at 9:55 am

    Midwest – You've been ranting this stuff for what? 5 years now? You sound like a loon. A loon that doesn't bother paying attention.

    All hell will break loose, huh? Yeah, I'm sure people will run to campus with pitchforks and torches but then leave the mob scene when it's halfway over to beat the traffic.

    Moving up to the CAA is only a negative to those with no patience or to those with delusions that App is FBS-ready right now. People will still donate and support the program if App is playing good conference competition as opposed to a depleted Socon.


    June 24, 2012 at 10:02 am

    Patience? Are you f-ing kidding me? We should have moved up 4-5 years ago and we wouldn't be in this mess. Trust me, people are pissed at the ineptitude that has been demonstrated regarding the FBS move.

    Trust me, I (and a lot of other people on this board)could have managed this initiative more effectively.

  73. Watauga72

    June 24, 2012 at 10:13 am

    Was 't there a moratorium on moves from 1AA to 1a?????

  74. RadioFan

    June 24, 2012 at 11:29 am

    Yes there was a moratorium in place 4-5 years ago. Midwest is leading a charge of idiocy.

    Being in the CAA doesn't make it harder to win a national championship because in FCS it's all decided via playoffs. With the CAA getting 5-6 teams in the playoffs each year I don't see how it's "harder". Especially with the expanded playoffs.

    CAA Football would be the world beater of FCS and prepare each team that wants to move up to not end up like Marshall.

  75. RadioFan

    June 24, 2012 at 11:30 am

    But I guess if the CAA snatches Furman and Elon and leaves App in the SoCon that will have to pick up Gardner Webb or other Big South nobodies then that'll surely prove to an FBS conference that App is 'ready'.


  76. RadioFan

    June 24, 2012 at 11:32 am

    Also like I posted on

    In two years App might be stuck in the FCS for 10 years. And the CAA might be full. Gotta remember that.

  77. EMCasu04

    June 24, 2012 at 11:41 am

    In case you didn't know, Midwest is our resident expert on all matters dealing with FBS moves here Little Birdie. He knows more than you do, and should you question his ACTUAL knowledge on the issues (as opposed to his very real delusions of grandeur) he will spew vulgarities and BS until you, you miserable little peon, bow down to his incredible wealth of knowledge on the issues.

  78. AppWyo

    June 24, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    Here is an argument to stay in the SoCon. The heart of the SEC and ACC came out of the SoCon so it makes sense that Appalachian come out of the SoCon to greater things as well.

  79. asu1978

    June 24, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    The SOCON giving ASU some sort of July 4th notice is like the Big 12 giving Texas notice.What the hell are they going to do,complete their SMALLcon ambitions?

  80. RadioFan

    June 24, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    For all the bitching and complaining that Midwest does about the "SmallCon" you'd think he'd welcome a move to a conference that has its fair share of large public schools and state universities.

    App is the largest SoCon school based on enrollment. They would be the 4th smallest in the CAA

  81. coloradoapp

    June 24, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    AppWyo: Here is an argument to stay in the SoCon. The heart of the SEC and ACC came out of the SoCon so it makes sense that Appalachian come out of the SoCon to greater things as well.

    AppWyo – I appreciate the heart of what you are saying and I agree that the SoCon has a long and awesome history! But all that is in the past. I think of SC (I used to live in Columbia). Their lone conference championship was in 1969 when they were in the ACC. They don't even mention it. It was a better move for them to join the SEC and that conference championship in higher competition what is important now.

    We won the SoCon 6 years in row – time to take a reasonable step forward to better competition. We will always remember the SoCon but this is an opportunity we will regret passing up.

  82. MadDoctor

    June 24, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    From everything I've heard nationally, we were and still are serious candidates for the Sun Belt. Since we showed no interest in joining them when the time was right, we may likely have to wait a year for the invitation (unless they are raided again). That is better than jumping laterally to the CAA, where the increased exit fees would make us FCS for life. It may be time to humble ourselves, join Ga. Southern and petition the Sun Belt for membership and a 2014 start. Then we can prove ourselves and position ourselves for down the road. Joining the CAA would be an unnecessary detour.


    June 24, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    IF the goal was to remain in FCS forever and IF FCS was not dying on the vine, then the CAA is a fine conference. However, FCS is irrelevant so there is no reason to even entertain the discussion, especially since our goals to move to FBS have been clearly stated. Just makes our "leaders" look even more incapable if they are entertaining this option. I will give them more credit than that. I don't think they have any intention of joining the CAA.

  84. AppMan

    June 24, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    Per a VERY GOOD source… there have been no "official" invitations issued to SoCon schools from the CAA. Discussions have taken place and possible agreements may have been reached, but it is my understanding there probably won't be any official announcements made until Sep or Oct.

  85. AppMan

    June 24, 2012 at 4:26 pm

    GSU's undergrad enrollment for 2011 was just under 20,000.

  86. Giv'em He'

    June 24, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    Not A Little Birdie

    Where did the C-USA voted "11-1 against App" info come from? I have not even heard that App State has come to a vote, much less what the outcome was.

    It would add a little to the comments/arguments you are making if you would add the source of your information!

    Granted, I don't live on this or any other site, but I have been trying to keep up with the info on our potential move.

  87. Giv'em Hell App

    June 24, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    Just remembered to fix my name…."Giv'em Hell Apps". Word recognition…..ugh!

  88. AppWyo

    June 24, 2012 at 5:36 pm

    Everyone talks about better competition. It is not about competition it is all about that market share for the football dollar. If it were about competition than the conferences would not be alligned the way they are. I will be glad when there is a playoff in college football and all of the conferences are aligned geographicaly. That would make a whole lot more sense. Take the Big East. It's not east any more, but it's BIG.

  89. dapp

    June 24, 2012 at 5:59 pm

    as the playoff winds blow in fbs, then what is the point of moving up? none of these schools mentioned in this article would ever get a bid even if there were 24 teams included. these playoffs are going to get bigger and bigger in years to come and bowls will go away except for bracket games bowls will go the way of the nit basketball tourney.


    June 24, 2012 at 6:03 pm

    Joining the CAA is like Homer Simpson ordering the second least expensive bottle of wine on his anniversary. It's not the cheapest, but it's still sh&t wine. Can one of these SOBs please lay out a grand vision?? Small minds produce small visions.


  91. dapp

    June 24, 2012 at 6:04 pm

    ps if you guys think a million dollar buy out is too much to ever leave a conference then shut up about going to a fbs level, one million is just throwing around money there. that is the reason we are not going up and if we do we will soon drown from lack of funds and sponsorship.

  92. jimbo

    June 24, 2012 at 6:32 pm

    Did any of you forget who just left CAA? As for basketball, CAA was raped. All revenue was coming from basketball. CAA is scrambling to fill holes to keep from slipping away. If SOCON stays intact we'll get more NCAA bids because we'll be a better conference.

    Appalachian isn't moving to CAA, that would be the worst professional suicide for the bigwigs.

  93. Not A Little Birdie

    June 24, 2012 at 6:45 pm

    Giv'em hell apps:

    I'll try to look around for it when I get the chance. I'm pretty sure it came from a radio interview with the ECU AD.

  94. jimbo

    June 24, 2012 at 6:57 pm

    One more point. I am so tired of folks stating the CAA is a 'more respected' conference. Please know your history and facts before you speak. Go to Wikipedia and read about the SOCON and its history. EVERY southern powerhouse was, at one point, a member of the SOCON. Do you not think these universities still respect the SOCON?

    They may be 'more respected' by the marketing hogs and money chasers, but they surely aren't more respected by the institutions themselves.

    The SOCON has great universities with a high standard of academics. The SOCON will continue to be one of the most well-respected FCS conferences by its FBS peers.


    June 24, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    The CAA ain't happening, plain and simple.

  96. 49ers

    June 24, 2012 at 8:04 pm

  97. coloradoapp

    June 24, 2012 at 8:35 pm

    To everyone desiring a move to the FBS:

    I understand the frustration of talking to people who refer to App being a Division 2A school.

    I am tired of explaining what FCS means and what I-AA was.

    I hate explaining the scholarship differences to I-A followers who frankly could care less.

    But the people who know me, know me as a dedicated ASU fan. Living in Colorado I proudly wear my Gold and Black "ASU Appalachian State University" hat almost daily. I love wearing my Black Saturday shirt and people asking what it's about.

    What I don't want to explain is the answer to the question – "What happened to your Mountaineers?" – when they move to FBS in their current state.

    We cannot take for granted the uniqueness of the 2005-2007 seasons and the on-the-field leaders that have yet to be replaced. Or the tremendous coaches that we struggled mightily to replace.

    Can we return to prominence? Absolutely – but the program still needs building and the supporting infrastructure needs time and resources.

    I hope this offer from the CAA does not go away. I am thinking for 10 years down the road and every successful year of growth between now and then.

  98. human being

    June 24, 2012 at 8:37 pm

    I have heard we are going independent. With the new at-large bids, we are going the way of Notre Dame. We are going to play as many home games as possible during the early part of the season (Sept,October) and then we are going to play nice locations to fill our schedule. (Last 3 games at warm locations) If we can get ECU or Wake or DUke we could add them.

    Picture this:

    William & Mary




    NC A*T (homecoming every year for a win and a great Halftime SHow)

    Jacksonville St.


    Charleston Southern

    Coastal Carolina

    Georgia Southern

    Make the playoffs…and get as many home games as we can. Start offering 2 for 1 or 3 for 1 to fcs schools. We will make the playoffs with the at large bid and we should offer Sports South our games for free for the next 5 years or PBS(and start a new major at App on sports production or tv production and cover our own games for PBS) we would become Americas team.

    If we get 8 wins we will make the playoffs, because of ticket sales.

  99. Greg

    June 24, 2012 at 8:53 pm

    In listening to the FBS discussions on college football live a point was made regarding how many teams should be included in a playoff structure that really stood out to me.

    They want to keep the number of teams as small as possible to ensure the importance of regular season matchups, pointing out that by including more and more teams into the FCS playoffs has watered down and cheapened the division. When a 4 loss team can make the playoffs it makes the tournament less important

  100. Giv'em Hell App

    June 24, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    I, for one, can't believe the NCAA has not exerted some authority and taken control of football. You could easily institute a 16 team playoff and keep the current bowls as the centerpieces, while giving the mid-major FBS conferences a ticket to the dance. It would be fairly simple. Here's one idea:

    All the conference champions get in. This makes every game of the regular season count. That would give you one team from the ACC, Big East, SEC, Big 10, Big 12 and Pack 10. To that 6 you add the champs from C-USA, MAC, Sunbelt, Mountain West (the remaining WAC schools should be absorbed into other conferences). Now you have 10 total. The last 6 are "at large bids from the top ranked teams at the end of the season. The first round is played at the home stadium of the higher ranked teams. That means the week after Thanksgiving, the teams from the MAC, Sunbelt, etc. will get a post season game in front of huge crowds. The big schools get rewarded with one more home game and the lower ranked teams get to take their shot at the brass ring. After the first round, you use the current BCS Bowls with a couple of additions. You only need 7 games over a 3 week period. The Saturday before New Years (the quarterfinals) could include the Cotton, Gator, Orange and Fiesta Bowls. The Saturday after New Years Day (the semifinals) could include the winners in the Rose and Sugar Bowls. Finally, the National Championship Bowl could be played on the Second Saturday after New Years Day. This makes all the BCS games relevant and ensures a huge audience for each. All the other bowls could keep going as they are today. The best part about this, is the fact that we will get a better final. Currently, many of the big bowls stink because the teams have been off for 6 weeks. What you see in January is no where near as good as they were in November. How many times did ASU actually improve through the playoffs? Took me 10 minutes….playoff problem solved!

  101. NWA

    June 25, 2012 at 5:39 am

    Q. How serious a candidate was Appalachian State for Conference USA membership, and is there a chance for the Mountaineers to join later?[/size]“Appalachian is a fine university that reached out to us when they began to explore the possibility of FBS membership. They have aspirations of moving up to a higher platform, and I’m not comfortable talking about the details of that dialogue or anything in the future.”

    Read more here:

  102. Dr. Gonzo

    June 25, 2012 at 6:29 am

    Best possible conferences to join in order (this is considering both benefits of the move to ASU and the likelihood of the conference being receptive to adding ASU):

    Sunbelt, Sunbelt, Sunbelt, Sunbelt and Sunbelt.

  103. MIDWEST

    June 25, 2012 at 6:38 am

    We were too busy cutting our toenails, hitting the buffets on the cruise ship, and scoping out "more desirable" jobs than putting together a REAL plan with a high powered sports marketing firm. My opinion, of course.


  104. Carbine

    June 25, 2012 at 6:53 am

    Like a "sports marketing firm" would make any difference at all. Now THAT'S dumb.

  105. Jamey

    June 25, 2012 at 6:56 am

    Let me see if I have all of this straight:

    > We tried to move up, put together a piss-poor case for ourselves, and got passed on by EVERY FBS conference in the NCAA

    > We are not in a position where we may have to mvoe to the CAA just to keep relevance in the college football world

    > If we don't move to the CAA, we may be left in a bargain-bin conference that could potentially lose 2-3 other schools to the CAA.

    Yup….seems to me like someone s**t the bed on this whole debacle.

  106. Jamey

    June 25, 2012 at 6:56 am


    > We are NOW in a position where we may have to mvoe to the CAA just to keep relevance in the college football world

  107. Jamey

    June 25, 2012 at 7:06 am

    Let me present my plan to take Appalachian State football to the next level:







    There you have it folks…..WINS MAKE YOU DESIRABLE TO CONFERENCES. If you win, then you are desirable. If you win, you sell tickets and prove your profitability. If you win, you get national recognition and increase your exposure.

    Upgraded facilities, alternate uniforms, fancy slogans…none of it means a thing if you do not prove you can dominate your current level.

  108. Dr. Gonzo

    June 25, 2012 at 7:10 am

    Wrong Jamey. While wins certainly help our case, current low-end FBS conference shifting tells a different story. How else do you explain Charlotte getting an invite, a team with 0 wins? They have "market potential."

    What our administration has to overcome is the misconception that media value is entirely dependent on one central urban area adjacent to the school rather than several markets that ultimately add up the the same amount of interested publics/TV viewers ect.

    x number of people=x number of people.

    It's time to get serious with the Sunbelt.

  109. bcoach

    June 25, 2012 at 7:16 am

    This is not an argument to join the CAA but if we are making any decision on a one million dollar check than we are nowhere near ready to make any kind of a move anywhere. Every time I hear that a million dollars is this big money, I start thinking we are making a very big mistake. Just like the mistake of going back to Michigan for something like a million or less. There is going to be one hell of a lot more than a million dollars of embarrassment on ESPN and the rest of TV and radio. It proves to me that when administration looks at the numbers they are very worried.

    Just as a side note. If we are so well funded why the hell does the baseball team play in uniforms that look like some high school wore them out 5 years ago? I just see a lot of cracks in the dam.

  110. 3-Star

    June 25, 2012 at 7:21 am

    VCU, Davidson, Richmond & Butler all playing us in BBall each year??? Bring it on! Then we might be able to finally land a true up and coming coach.

  111. RadioFan

    June 25, 2012 at 7:25 am

    VCU, Richmond and Butler isn't in the CAA. They're A-10

    Richmond is a CAA-Football only school.

  112. bcoach

    June 25, 2012 at 7:32 am

    Dr G is right about wins. Hell if it were all about wins then CBS would have dropped ND. It is ALL about eyeballs on screens. The problem with trying to convince the TV people that they are not looking at our market the right way is that they do it for a living. They know more about TV markets than we ever will. We didn't help our case by ragging on PBS. What we should have done was talk it up and prove we would watch. Do you think TV was impressed by a school who couldn't even keep PBS happy?

    We are our own worst enemy. We rag on every opportunity and tell the world nothing is good enough for us. We tell the world our play by play guy sucks, our coaches suck, our administration sucks, our conference sucks, and our league sucks. Then we turn around and say we need a "big time sports marketing firm" to tell the world how wonderful we are. I have a friend who would say "they ain't right".

  113. dapp

    June 25, 2012 at 7:32 am

    Bcoach did you steal that last post. It's ok cause you are correct. No money no interest by others the initiation to a fbs conference will be several million. Charlotte has the corporate office, we have a branch. They have every network we have none. Simple math simple plan . By the way the last I checked the socon was the most dominating in dcs history. Shut up already we run it if it sucks its partly our fault.

  114. ASUGoose

    June 25, 2012 at 7:44 am

    I could care less if we lose any of the teams mentioned to leave to the CAA to include CofC, Davidson, Furman, and Elon. Only two of those schools are football schools and we would replace them with Coastal Carolina and probably Gardner Webb.

    The CAA wants basketball teams and we all know that we are no longer a basketball school as long as Capel is here. We can't attract a solid bball coach because we don't pay our coaches well.

    Stay in SoCon until we move to FBS which should be no later than 2014. I am hearing that FSU will be moving to the Big 12 and should be announced in the next few weeks. This could start the domino effect again so lets see what happens once the dust settles from the bigger conferences realigning again.

    GO 'NEERS!

  115. bcoach

    June 25, 2012 at 7:50 am

    Steal it?

  116. bcoach

    June 25, 2012 at 8:15 am

    Come on Goose. Gardner Webb and Coastal Carolina to replace Elon and Furman? I understand your frustration but that really would pull us to the bottom. Let's also be honest about basketball. We can't lay all the blame on Capel. We are not a basketball school period. We are to basket ball what Duke is to football. Every once in a while we show a flash then go back to where we have been. Very few schools are football and basketball schools. Most are one or the other.

  117. ASUGoose

    June 25, 2012 at 8:28 am


    To be candid, I could care less who they replace them with because we aren't going to be in the SoCon much longer anyway. They could put in Mars Hill or Campbell for all I care. The point is that regardless of SoCon or CAA, both are still FCS, and we will not be FCS much longer. No need to make a lateral move now.

    I don't blame Capel, as I know we only have him around because we don't want to pay alot for bball coach since we are a football school – to your point coach.

  118. ASUGoose

    June 25, 2012 at 8:29 am

    In fact, I think Furman and Elon are trying to be proactive as to when App St and Ga South move up to FBS soon, the SoCon will be terrible. Elon and Furman would be wise to get out now and move to the CAA.

  119. dapp

    June 25, 2012 at 9:09 am

    Coach I was just bugging you because it was my post earlier. Good hearted jab. I don't know what football school you are talking about we are a school who has a football team. You guys talk like jerry and his guys are rolling in money. The fact is if jerry was young he would have been gone after2006 and another fact is when satterfield wins here as a head coach we won't compete with anything but his heart. When we move up we will either get someone who has caused scandals at another school, or some young guy from a small school. It won't matter where we land we are a step up or last chance option. Please Midwest stop with the small Ohio schools nobody cares. We have big dreams and small wallets and that's ok it just means dreams will stay dreams .

  120. bcoach

    June 25, 2012 at 9:10 am

    I understand now.

  121. Appnaysayer

    June 25, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    Senior prom was last month. We got left on the curb for obvious, if unsatisfactory, reasons. No amount of teeth-gnashing will change that. Nor will a "marketing plan."

    I see no downside to the CAA–except for some deflated egos which have been leaking air for about 6 months now.

  122. RadioFan

    June 25, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    I see no downside to the CAA–except for some deflated egos which have been leaking air for about 6 months now.

    Losing a rivalry with GaSo and Wofford. Two top 10 teams in FCS would suck.

    If the SoCon stays intact I'd rather AppSt be in it. But if a few SoCon schools jump ship to CAA the SoCon will be a watered down mess. OVC/BigSouth schools = OVC/BigSouth quality conference.

    Elon/Furman/Davidson/CoC jump ship it'd be hard to replace all those.

    Only way I see it could happen would be to take on CCU, Tenn Tech, Liberty, Jax State and S.C. State for all sports which would give the SoCon 12 All Sport members.

    I don't trust the SoCon to get that done.

  123. Appnaysayer

    June 25, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    New rivalries with JMU, W&M, UR, and Maine (assuming we can win a game and actually become their "rival").

    I don't like the association with GSU, essentially a school with open admissions. Much better company in the CAA. Elon and Wofford would both be good CAA football schools.

  124. RadioFan

    June 25, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    UDel/JMU/RU/Maine/W&M vs. GaSo/Wofford/Furman/UTC/Elon is about a wash. All, I'd say, are on equal footing.

    But the SoCon scrubs are worse than the CAA scrubs. By far.

    I'm not even sure who the CAA Scrubs are.

  125. Asumaverick

    June 26, 2012 at 9:19 am

    I see a move to the CAA as a lateral move…granted we get in good with other FBS powerhouses like Delaware, JMU, and WM, but it's still FBS, and with no other teams close until you hit Wilmington, Harrisonburg, or Williamsburg.

    We want to go up, not right..

  126. Asumaverick

    June 26, 2012 at 9:21 am


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