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CUSA commish mentions App State

MeccaMumblemumblemumble – “Appalachian is a fine university that reached out to us when they began to explore the possibility of FBS membership. They have aspirations of moving up to a higher platform, and I’m not comfortable talking about the details of that dialogue or anything in the future.”


  1. v

    June 25, 2012 at 7:46 am

    When they start calling you a "fine university" and are not even comfortable talking about anything in the future….I think they are trying to let you guys down easy.

    Cobb needs to rethink his reluctance to look at the sunbelt.

  2. MidJoke

    June 25, 2012 at 7:51 am

    done deal, fire is lit, heavy hitters are getting things done now.


    June 25, 2012 at 7:53 am

    "In other words, the next time you guys are interested in negotiating, bring someone other than Cletus and Bubba to the table."

    I'm sure we looked like fools, from a preparation and presentation standpoint, if some of the others had their high-level marketing and legal teams with them.


  4. Jason

    June 25, 2012 at 8:22 am

    It's not abou Cletus and Bubba…it's about MONEY! What will it take for you guys to realize that? We have 30,000 fans at a football game, but 10,000-12,000 of those are students who get "free" tickets. We have nothing to offer C-USA. No different that the Big East not wanting ECU. They have nothing to offer.

  5. (sigh)

    June 25, 2012 at 8:23 am

    Yep.., with little context in the quote and the tone of it – sounds like we're not going C-USA.

  6. EMCasu04

    June 25, 2012 at 8:25 am

    Mhmm…things are starting to pick up steam now. Also, take note of the C-USA commish's care to keep negotiations cloaked in confidentiality. Everything else is just white noise – although a select few would have you believe (wrongfully, I might add) that this is some indication of ineptitude. Don't listen to the clowns, people!


    June 25, 2012 at 8:31 am

    I think we would all be better served to stop drinking the kool-aid (ie being homers) and demand some accountability. We all know the problems. We hire people to formulate solutions.

    I'm sick of the BS excuses. Make it rain or we will find a team of professionals that can.

  8. EMCasu04

    June 25, 2012 at 8:42 am

    Who is "we" exactly? Please tell us all what resources you personally have at your disposal to ensure what you believe to be a just result under the circumstances here. And while you're at it, can you detail exactly how the people hired to handle the conference move have become derelict of their duties. I'll wait…

    I think we would all be better served to confine our thoughts to those inside the realm of possibility.

  9. HOGAN

    June 25, 2012 at 8:55 am

    As a former (well, current) nerd, I've heard that response way too many times…

    Student #1: "Hey Jennifer, did HOGAN ask you to the prom??"

    Jennifer: "Yeah he did but I said no. HOGAN is a great guy and a really close friend…I wouldn't want to wreck that relationship. But thats all i can really say. Anyways, I'm going with Shaun, the new guy."


  10. Counterpoint

    June 25, 2012 at 9:05 am

    If the decision to add ASU was over it would be easy to say "we're comfortable where we are and wish them luck" as did the SB Commish. This statement clearly indicates there are ongoing discussions and the subject is still open.

    For those seeking closure in the near-term…not going to happen.

  11. EMCasu04

    June 25, 2012 at 9:07 am

    +1 Counterpoint.


    June 25, 2012 at 10:08 am

    I agree, counterpoint. We likely have one last chance to get it right, although people are paid to get it right the first time.

    As for we… Who the hell donates to the YOSEF club and pays the salaries of our leaders? That's like saying to trust Obama and it will all work out. No F-ing way.

    He and they answer to US.

  13. NWA

    June 25, 2012 at 10:14 am

    From the outside looking in – it is hard to read what the implication is in that quote. The start makes it sound like no way is it possible. The second half though about not talking about the dialogue with App or the future would lead me to believe that there have been discussions about how App could get in. I can see it both ways. I know for a fact that Charlotte met with BE officials early on in football to discuss what it would take to get into that league – be it within the early statges of football or way down the road. They discussed what that glide path would look like and what kind of investments we would have to make. Who is to say that isn't the case? You all yourselves said you don't invest in basketball and that you will probably go cheap with your baseball replacement. Maybe it is concerns about your AD as a whole.

    For what it is worth he could have just said App is not a good fit for CUSA, he did not say that. Either he is being nice or he is leaving the door open. My gut is they have some concerns about funding and market and want to see what App can do to ease those concerns.

  14. gos73

    June 25, 2012 at 10:27 am

    just read that Boise State has not yet fully committed to the Big East and have until Saturday, otherwise it will cost them another $5mil to get out. If they don't go, that may change things up again if Big East goes looking.

  15. EMCasu04

    June 25, 2012 at 10:37 am

    Midwest = Skip Bayless

  16. NWA

    June 25, 2012 at 11:05 am

    GOS73 – If Boise leaves the BE at the altar and the ACC loses FSU and Clemson the BE football side is done.

    Boise and SDSU stay west – maybe back to Mtn West? Rutgers and UConn to ACC. The remains of that league will just rejoin CUSA. I think App's best hope is that Boise and SDSU stay in the BE to keep them as a viable FBS league. The domino that may work for App is the ACC one, not Boise and SDSU.

  17. Rick

    June 25, 2012 at 11:38 am

    I have never cared whether we went FBS or stayed FCS or ABC, 123 or whatever. I always grew tired of the arguments and talk however. More so now. I'm at the point where, "whatever happens, happens". Just let me know where the game is, what time, and who we're playing. Tired of guesses and rumors.

  18. ASUGoose

    June 25, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    I think FSU is already gone but not sure about Clemson. If Boise and SDSU stay put, the BE will raid CUSA again but not sure who else they would want to take?

    I think ND plays a huge role here as well as I know the ACC wants them and could be a good replacement for FSU. Only catch is that ND wants to stay independent forever which could lend itself to join the Big 12 in olympic sports only when the BE crumbles. The ACC will not accept any school for only olympic sports…. But, with the new playoff format that is still TBD, it could put emphasis on being a conference champion which could force ND to join a conference for football… Supposedly the presidential committee is meeting tomorrow and hope to gain consesus on the playoff format by Wednesday but we will see….

    This week could have some fireworks around the larger conferences which will have the trickle down effect on the lower tier conferences. It could be a sign that the CUSA commish knows something is coming and App State is going to start looking more attractive when it starts losing teams to the BE.

  19. Appnaysayer

    June 25, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    This sounds like a "see you later" if I ever heard one. Unless we can get broadcast rights beyond Miller's Creek and Elkin, I don't see it happening. Oh, and a radio station that reaches beyond the county line–at least on cloudy nights.

  20. RadioFan

    June 25, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    AppNaysayer you're being a little dumb.

    App had 13 stations on their Network Affiliate list last season. The Flagship station reaches 4 states.

  21. NWA

    June 25, 2012 at 2:14 pm

    Yeah Goose it will be interesting to see. If the BE comes knocking on the CUSA door I could see any of the schools on the eastern side being potential except maybe FIU&ODU – it would basically be the old CUSA (which with the exception of ODU all have relationships with Charlotte, Marshall, ECU, USM,UAB) with the left over basketball schools. Question is really would they go after markets – Charlotte, UAB, ODU or after field stature USM, ECU.

    I have to think though that the basketball schools there are just about tired of all this crap. I do agree if SDSU and Boise bolt thats it, if they stay the football side of the conference can stay afloat.

  22. hapapp

    June 25, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    I don't profess to know what the commissioner's intent was with his statement. I think it a bit ridiculous that folks believe they can accurately read between the lines and speak definitively about ASU's position based on that.

    I can assure you that our folks are still pursuing the FBS route with vigor. If you want to label it a failure on their part if it doesn't happen you are free to do so. However, there are no guarantees that anyone else could have delivered at this point. Moreover, I doubt anyone here knows what resources were deployed on behalf of ASU or any other school in pursuit of FBS.

    It is okay to be a provocateur on a message board but it's also nice to see some maturity accompany such behavior.

  23. RadioFan

    June 25, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    I agree 100% hapapp. The people screaming about getting their pitchforks and molotovs are a little ridiculous. Also, those who screamed for Cobb to be fired need to remember the Game Day Experience App had before CC took over.

  24. EMCasu04

    June 25, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    Here, here Hapapp


    June 25, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    I just burped in the face of complacency.

  26. Jack '74

    June 25, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    God bless all you guys. If talking an issue to death–or into reality–worked, Appalachian would be an NFL team right now. Forget all this FBS business. We'd be playing on Sundays. Unfortunately, all the talking that we do, regardless of he message forum, is just that. Talk…….talk…….talk. No harm done unless it results in heart attacks, strokes, anurisms, mental breakdowns, whatever……..some kind of radical, life-changing experience. The FCS is much safer on a man's health and we know we're in a place that wants us and we can win and/or compete for a NC each and every year. Maybe the visiting FBS footballers could parachute into KBS and land just before the game. That is about the only way they will ever be able to fly into Boone……well….kind of "fly into Boone". It is what it is and we at what we are. Every time we answer some damn body's FCS objection, there is another one waiting around the corner. There is no end to the reasons we are not allowed to move up. If you don't believe that, just wait another week and we'll see another one we never dreamed existed before.

  27. timclassof77

    June 25, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    Hapapp….WE certainly no longer need your school teacher lectures. You are as bad as Middie Honey with your pronouncements….

  28. Murray

    June 25, 2012 at 3:46 pm

    You guys act suprised that Cobb screwed up again and Peacock looks just as bad for standing by his "golden boy." The media hype that Cobb created has officially back fired. App is not going any where and that is official. The whole idea of moving up was just to get more money in donations.

    Someone once said that we needed a "Terry Holland" AD to pull off the move and I firmly believe in that statement. Get rid of Cobb and hire someone who knows what they are doing, Appalachian sports will be a lot better off and so will our fan base.

  29. Murray

    June 25, 2012 at 4:05 pm

    Oh, and by the way, the Game Day Experience was in the works before Cobb arrived. You need to thank Andy Massey and Linda Winstead for the Game Day Experience, more Andy than Linda.

    If you want to credit Cobb with something, credit him for hrining his wife, giving her a raise and being Fugly

  30. Kyle

    June 25, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    Best thing for App to do is get in the Sun Belt or the MAC. If ya'll can do that and win ECU will keep trying to help ya'll get in C-USA and winning at the FBS level will help get you here. If you never get in C-USA just like my Pirates never got in the Big East to date anyway. Then make the best of it in the SunBelt or MAC.

  31. yosef82

    June 25, 2012 at 4:14 pm


    June 25, 2012 at 6:31 pm

    Also, those who screamed for Cobb to be fired need to remember the Game Day Experience App had before CC took over.

    That is one of the stupidest comments I have ever read relating to anything Appalachian. I think 23,000 brainwashed hillbillies cooking barbeque, drinking their weight in alcohol along with the three national championships delivered by Satterfield and Elliott had just a little to do with the "Game Day Experience"!

    I mean I can see your love of Cobb….just look at how he has improved our beloved basketball program. He is the true master of ineptitude. Let's face it, he followed a moron. If he showed up with his pants zipped up and his shirt buttoned up correctly he would look like a "Stud" compared to what we had before.

    Here we go again. We just keep pushing the "Bar" lower and lower. Do we even deserve to have a damn athletic department? How dare us have standards!

  32. AppWyo

    June 25, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    “Appalachian is a fine university…" sounds a lot like, "Bless your Heart." or "She's Nice."

  33. Watauga 72

    June 25, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    You can't make some of this stuff up.


    June 25, 2012 at 4:26 pm

    There are App student marketing teams that could do an outstanding job running game day experience. Is it possible, given the fact that he bleeds red and black, that his heart is not in the move as it could affect the Wolfpack's ability to recruit. If his eyes are on a bigger "prize", could this not be a plausible assertion?

    Now, before I get a lecture on how great the ACC, let remind you that the ACC is not respected at all in football nationally. No respect.

    Believe in the power and the glory of App State!


    June 25, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    AppWyo- EXACTLY. It's like when your aunt's best friend introduced you to the girl with the great personality. 250 lbs of cellulite and pimples.

    I'm starting to think we say the hell with CUSA and go a completely different path. Ain't to proud to beg or F-YOU?…that is the question.

    I think you know my answer.


    June 25, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    Furthermore, African Americans are the only race who have the license to use the word "fine" in a positive manner. Like…she has a really fine a__. Think about it. When white people use fine, it's like this:

    Wife: How do you like the chicken?

    Hubby: It's fine

    That really means that he doesn't like it, but he's just trying to be nice.

    Condescending prick!!!

  37. RadioFan

    June 25, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    That is one of the stupidest comments I have ever read relating to anything Appalachian. I think 23,000 brainwashed hillbillies cooking barbeque, drinking their weight in alcohol along with the three national championships delivered by Satterfield and Elliott had just a little to do with the “Game Day Experience”!

    I'm sorry, I guess no tailgating or camaraderie between 10,000 fans is a much better experience. Cobb led the charge with West Side tailgating. The success surely didn't hurt, of course. But to say that 23,000 fans drinking beer and BBQing doesn't add to any experience is foolish. Go to any FBS school and see how it's done.


    June 25, 2012 at 5:05 pm

    Agreed Radio. Giving credit to the sales rep when a random customer calls the 800 number to place an order.

  39. Murray

    June 25, 2012 at 5:31 pm

    Going to the Sunbelt is out of the question. App will go down hill "Academically" and the Board of Govenors will not allow it to happen.

  40. Matt

    June 25, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    Cobb and Peacock are failures. Pretty damn evident. Hell of a lot of other people could have had the sense to get us into C-USA in the first round. Do things like explore all things; talk to more people than Terry Holland, who has a tendancy to just kiss everyone's baby, talk to the deciders, the Presidents several times before the vote. Fly them in individually. Make up a reason to do so. Run a profile on them. Find out what they like and what they think.

    Doesn't do us any good for you guys to kiss ass with Cobb and Peacock. They let us get screwed and you want to compliment them on it. Disgusting.

  41. hapapp

    June 25, 2012 at 7:07 pm

    Sorry, timclassof77, I'm retired and I have no one else to lecture to. Besides it's going unheeded anyway.

  42. Appywho?

    June 25, 2012 at 7:09 pm

    The idea that Appy could go down hill academically is laughable. When you are already at the bottom of sewer all that happens is the $hit piles together. Appy is already largely regarded as a community college, so not sure how being with other adult day care centers really hurts you guys.

    I did lol at "Appy is fine university". It was like he was talking to his dog, "Whose a good little appy? You are! yes you are! Think you can be in FBS? No you can't….no you cant. Good little appy….NOW HEEL!!"

  43. bcoach

    June 25, 2012 at 7:48 pm

    Please god don't let the rest of the world see this blog, PLEASE

  44. sixtoes9134

    June 26, 2012 at 2:39 am

    Yes, Appywho – we are SO regarded as a community college.

    For example, I along with my wife and both of our parents are ASU graduates.

    My daughter, a rising HS senior, has a 4.02 GPA and just scored a 1710 on the SAT and we are actually concerned that she could be on the bubble getting into ASU.

    Now – there's a community college for ya.

  45. Jack '74

    June 26, 2012 at 2:55 am

    Just one (or two) real short questions for you, Appywho?. I must have mIssed it but which community college did you say that you: (1) flunked out of or (2) were denied admission to entirely?

  46. Appnaysayer

    June 26, 2012 at 4:05 am

    Whoa! Our radio network reaches FOUR STATES!!!! Breaking news! Alert CNN! So they get our games in Damascus, VA, Bristol, TN, Chesney, SC, and let us not forget 97.3, the VOICE of the Wilkesboros. I can see the advertisers lining up now.

    "Grizzly! The dip preferred by Mountaineers and maybe we'll actually beat them one day!"

    "The Law Offices of Ambulance Chasers at Large!" Legal advice when the players need it most!"

    "Come to Maine! Worth a Visit…Worth a Lifetime…and worth more than 3 yards total offense!"

    And finally, the big account: "Collegiate Consulting! When your feasibility study has to be just right!"


    June 26, 2012 at 4:45 am

    For those who think we did a good job bidding for FBS, consider the following:

    *Cobb suggested that we were not interested in the SunBelt BEFORE we had another deal on the table

    *Conference decision makers never made a trip to Boone. Kind of hard to buy something sight unseen.

    *Incapable of EFFECTIVELY demonstrating where our alumni reside (ie not in Boone)

    The list goes on and on, but these three points underscore that the person(s) in charge are incapable of understanding how high level business deals get done.


  48. AppInExile

    June 26, 2012 at 6:07 am

    That was a backhanded compliment from the Commish if I've ever seen one.

    Let's face the facts, kids: there is no joy in Mudville and probably won't be for some time related to an FBS move.

    On the other hand, the FB squad looks to be shaping up nicely. Should be a good season.

  49. hapapp

    June 26, 2012 at 6:12 am

    Actually, I can get 97.3 at my home in Rocky Mount, VA, three hours from Boone. The reach stretches beyond Damascus. Though clearly it at best reaches just the southwestern portion of VA and fades out by the time one gets to Roanoke.

  50. Dr. Gonzo

    June 26, 2012 at 6:25 am

    App is second only to UNC academically among public universities in NC. We are in an entirely different academic genre than, say a UNCC. The two schools have a completely different class of incoming freshman. App freshman were in all honors and AP classes, UNCC freshman were not.

    UNCC is fairly easy to get into and has nothing around campus whatsoever to suggest there is a college near by. A large percentage of UNCC students are working adults.

    Now I ask, which has more in common with a community college?

    It would take years of drastic, consistent academic decline for App to even come close to UNCC.

    Safety school. No experience. No soul. No wonder this guy spends more time on Appfan than I do.

  51. ASUGoose

    June 26, 2012 at 6:32 am

    For anyone who thinks Cobb and Peacock didn't play a huge role in making the fan and athletes experience better at App, you are just delusional.

    I was an athlete at App when Roachel was the AD and Borkowski was the chancellor and later replaced by Cobb and Peacock. It was like night and day folks, and we should be happy to have both Cobb and Peacock at App.

    While I question how hard we sold ourselves to the FBS conferences I still do not think a lot of blame needs to go to Cobb and Peacock. The whole conference realignment process has been like musical chairs. The conferences probably had a number of institutions in mind and probably ranked them accordingly as to preference. CUSA and SunBelt are going to continue to expand and there will be room for us. The timing didn't work in our favor this year but I am confident that with more conference realignment to come, we will be just fine.

    Yes, I hear the FB team is looking solid and I hope we can pull a shocker in Greenville!

    GO 'NEERS!

  52. 49ers

    June 26, 2012 at 6:36 am

    latest rumor Boise State will not join the BE and the BE will instead add Appy state


    June 26, 2012 at 6:50 am

    Goose- Peacock and Cobb deserve SOME credit, but certainly not all of it. My main criticism of them is related to their inability to sell and close the deal as it relates to the FBS. They were not the best people to make the case, plain and simple, as they had no experience in this area. Should have hired experts, like I said years ago. They could have taken all the credit even though the marketing and legal team technically would have gotten the deal done.

    Sure, they both do many other things well. Unfortunately, this is one of the biggest debacles in App sports history.

  54. bcoach

    June 26, 2012 at 7:09 am


    I can't get it in Hardy so I guess I'll have to go park in the Sheets lot and sit in the car.(:

  55. MadDoctor

    June 26, 2012 at 7:13 am


    Interesting you should mention the BE. Wasn't that the conference that took Marquette, SF, Louisville, Cincy, Depaul, And basically all of the old CUSA except you, and then your team ran to the A-10, only to be shut out of your own conference basketball tournament, and then go running back to CUSA (Charlotte"s Unusually Scared of App).

    I have to admit though, Bobby Lutz is making a fine towel boy at NC State.

  56. 49ers

    June 26, 2012 at 7:22 am

    Valid point we didn't have football at the time and as you can see once we have we football we wee fast track FBS and you are left in the cold looking like idiots begging C-USA and SB to take you

  57. 49ers

    June 26, 2012 at 7:23 am

    We are*

  58. MadDoctor

    June 26, 2012 at 7:26 am

    Two words: Play us.

  59. Dr. Gonzo

    June 26, 2012 at 7:30 am

    Cobb hasn't begged the SB. He doesn't even see it as a viable option. /facepalm

  60. 49ers

    June 26, 2012 at 7:33 am

    We can only play one FCS team a year towards our bowl eligibility and we still have some scheduling to shuffle around on who we will choose to play for our FCS win

  61. 49ers

    June 26, 2012 at 7:37 am

    I guess we could play ASU it would be a nice paycheck for you and it would put another win towards a bowl game so that sounds like a good idea maddoctor. Hope to see you at McColl-Richardson field

  62. Greg

    June 26, 2012 at 7:37 am

    Haha. How many people are posting under the name MIDWEST. One post "our program is over" the next "believe in the power and the glory of app state".

    The entertainment value on this thread is fantastic. There's certainly no new factual information.

    Bring on the pirates!

  63. Dr. Gonzo

    June 26, 2012 at 7:43 am

    Do you really think your fetus of a program would have a chance against ASU in the next 5-10 years?! You're more delusional than I thought…

    It makes me smile to know that UNCC will have 15 fans in the stands after year one of FCS loses. The ignorance and unfounded complacency of your brood is the the main reason your program's failure is inevitable.

  64. 49ers

    June 26, 2012 at 7:48 am

    Sorry for offering you a money game

  65. MadDoctor

    June 26, 2012 at 7:48 am


    Having seen your cute little brick amphitheater you are building, I suggest we play the game at Mallard Creek High School, so wr can bring more fans.Trust me, bowl eligibility will never be a concern for you. Anyway, all yourf fans will not travel unless Carolina is playing.

  66. Greg

    June 26, 2012 at 7:54 am

    And anyone who thinks we are or should be in the drivers seat for an FBS move is dillusional. Michigan and 3 championships put our names out there but conference commissioners make the decisions, not the schools trying to get in. We're a 14,000 student small school trying to get a seat at the big boy table.

    Thank you goose for saying that earlier. As a freshman in 2002 I went to games with an 80% empty Kidd Brewer and a 6 and 6 team. Now it's packed every game with 10 wins per season. Peacock, Cobb, and Moore did that.

    Be patient and our time will come.

  67. appftw

    June 26, 2012 at 8:11 am

    There are actually 17,344 students in Boone according to wikipedia. We're not the small-time mountain school getting too big for its britches. I don't understand why so many people on this site want to portray us as such. You obviously haven't been to Boone in 10 years and seen the growth taking place there. FBS is a logical progression for us.

    Oh, and the Forty Giners need to play us in Boone before we even think about playing them in Concord.

  68. hapapp

    June 26, 2012 at 8:35 am

    bcoach, you are right once you head too far east or north of Rocky Mount, 97.3 either fades or is taken over by another closer station.

    Which side of the lake are you on?

  69. Appywho?

    June 26, 2012 at 8:38 am


    You are wasting your time. Appy's don't understand bowls or how they work.


    I can understand your desire to play at a HS. It would have a similar academic profile to appy and would also have a track around the field! Be it ever so humble, there's no place like home…

  70. bcoach

    June 26, 2012 at 8:45 am

    I am on the Franklin side. I actually live in Moneta and my office is in Hardy.

  71. 49ers

    June 26, 2012 at 8:54 am

    FBS teams don't play at FCS stadiums

  72. bcoach

    June 26, 2012 at 8:56 am

    Please don't start the bowl thing being some kind of accomplishment. You can call it a reward, a fun time for some. You can call it a lot of things but not an accomplishment. You don't have to be very good to get to a bowl. You can love them but just be honest. There are a whole lot of FCS teams that would have beat bowl teams over the last few years. To be perfectly honest both teams that played in the Div 3 championship last year would have won a couple bowls over the last three or four years. I think there were one or two teams last year that had below .500 records that played in bowls. My point is that if uncc is not in a bowl in 5-6 years it will be very sad, if they are in one it will just not be that big a deal.

    Now can we leave each other alone and act like adults?

  73. Dr. Gonzo

    June 26, 2012 at 9:05 am

    It's takes a special kind of imbecile to attack ASU academics as a UNCC student/alumni.

    Make fun of the fact that we have yet to get an FBS invite. Poke fun at the track around our stadium. You could insult our basketball program. These are all being lobbed to you to hit right out of the park, but you instead choose to repeatedly insult something to which you are CLEARLY outmatched. It blows my mind.

    It's like if I went to a UNC forum and instead of talking smack about their bandwagon fanbase, cheating scandals and disappointing football seasons I chose to say their academic profile is poor and they're a community college.

    You're throwing stones from a glass house and I'm starting to think, based on your lack of intelligence, that UNCC's academic merits were even more shoddy than I originally thought based on your lack-luster admissions standards.

    Average Freshman…



    UNCC- 1580



    UNCC- 3.6

  74. MadDoctor

    June 26, 2012 at 9:06 am

    Appy whoever?

    Put up the Dungeons and Dragons and come up from your mom"s basement. She has made you burritos.


    June 26, 2012 at 9:07 am

    Patience is not a quality that you look for in a deal maker. Successful people take the initiative to make things happen for themselves. They do not sit back, patiently, and wait for things to happen to or for themselves.

    Make it rain.

  76. Asumaverick

    June 26, 2012 at 9:09 am

    Gardner Webb, Lenoir-Rhyne and WCU are "fine universities" as well I'm sure.

    We should have started this process back in '08 when we had the Edwards/Moore express going on and manhandling every team we played.

  77. AppWyo

    June 26, 2012 at 9:17 am

    I just hope that the Appalachian Alumni and students on this forum keep posting with good grammar. I can't stand posts that contain bad grammar. It's like young children cussing out of context.

  78. AppWyo

    June 26, 2012 at 9:24 am

    I'd rather have patients and find the right person to marry than go out and marry someone that you have to divorce later. I think that is why we haven't just gotten in bed with the first FBS conference to come calling. App is looking for a long term relationship.

  79. Dr. Gonzo

    June 26, 2012 at 9:32 am

    Are you suggesting Notre Dame is just an aging whore? Or perhaps a polygamist?

  80. 49ers

    June 26, 2012 at 9:38 am


    which FBS conference has came calling?

  81. NC Native

    June 26, 2012 at 9:50 am

    No one wants you.

    Wait, didn't I read the CAA came calling? LOL — Have fun with that.

  82. Appnaysayer

    June 26, 2012 at 9:51 am

    I'll be the first to agree that ASU's admission standards are higher than UNCC's. But I'm pretty sure NCSU outranks us. We're actually 3d in the state system. What you often hear is that if you factor out engineering at NCSU, we get better students. That's a bit like saying, "if you take away Eli Manning, the Giants wouldn't be contenders…."

    Glad to hear that 97.3 reaches into Virginia. WATA doesn't even reach Triplett, much less Foscoe. And, at night, you lose it just after the last red light heading south on 321. But I have it on good authority that the thousands of fans in Lincolnton are tuning us in on a regular basis. Shelby is on board, too, along with the listeners in downtown Cherryville.

    And we've signed another advertiser. The spot: "Remember we beat Michigan!!!! We haven't played for a national title since Armanti Edwards was a sophomore and we haven't beaten another FBS team in the last two decades, but we beat Michigan!!" Sponsored by the League of FBS Voters.

  83. appelect

    June 26, 2012 at 9:55 am

    49 whatever is clueless….what a joke

  84. 49ers

    June 26, 2012 at 9:56 am

    Appnaysayer!! You almost forgot and ASU owns the Charlotte market

  85. 49ers

    June 26, 2012 at 9:57 am


    June 26, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    I’d rather have patients and find the right person to marry than go out and marry someone that you have to divorce later. I think that is why we haven’t just gotten in bed with the first FBS conference to come calling. App is looking for a long term relationship.

    All I want to know is which FBS conference came calling?


    June 26, 2012 at 10:01 am


    June 26, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    FBS teams don’t play at FCS stadiums

    The last time I checked you aren't even FCS yet. If we are so unimportant, why are you on our site?

  87. Appnaysayer

    June 26, 2012 at 10:11 am

    If we had "patients," we'd likely have a medical school. Then we WOULD be ready for FBS. Or at least C-USA.


    June 26, 2012 at 10:35 am

    Inviting CCC to CUSA certainly demonstrates that someone didn't do their homework. Big market, sure, but no real fans. ANYONE can get in to CCC and that's the bottom line. Cardboard U.

  89. Amy

    June 26, 2012 at 10:35 am

    Cobb and Peacock have caused Appalachian to have an identity issue.

  90. asu7

    June 26, 2012 at 10:42 am

    Do we have fans that go to the concord community college board or something? Why do they come here?

    I have never met anyone in my entire life that said concord was a better school than APP. I have family that went there because they could not get into APP.

    I got into concord's grad school way before I got into Cratis D. Williams Grad School. Concord was my backup choice.

  91. 49ers

    June 26, 2012 at 10:52 am

    still no one has answered my question which FBS conferene came calling for you?

  92. Dr. Gonzo

    June 26, 2012 at 11:03 am

    The WAC invited us and just about every school that's considered moving. There is no proof either way of what the exact communication has been like with other conferences. It is a moot conversation really.

    I'm still confident in my prediction that App with play our first full FBS schedule before or in the same year as UNCc and well as my prediction that UNCc will have <20 wins and even less fans in the stands after 4 years of play.

  93. AppOrange

    June 26, 2012 at 11:16 am


    80% empty KBS stadium in 2002? Was that 30 minutes after the game? We were 7-3 in 2002 and were on our way to our 4th consecutive trip to the play-offs. Hell the attendence for the Western game that year was over 17K.

    Lay off the booze man!

  94. AppWyo

    June 26, 2012 at 11:23 am


    June 26, 2012 at 1:38 pm


    which FBS conference has came calling?

    I believe that sentance should start with a capital letter and should use the present tense of the the word come instead of the past tense came which you could have used instead of has. So the two ways you should have written that sentance is as follows;

    Which FBS conference has come calling?


    Which FBS conference came calling?

    To answer your question I'm sure which conference we will be in is still in the negotiations phase. Regardless, Appalachian will be in a better position than Charlotte will be just you wait and see.

  95. AppOrange

    June 26, 2012 at 11:27 am

    BTW, went to the concert this past weekend in Charlotte, my observations:

    Had to drive right past UNCC, never been there before. Looks like it is in a great part of town (to buy some crack). Also, I hope those were not the dorms (they were white, near the front entrance) students sleep in, they looked horible.

    Parked to tailgate and as soon as it started to rain, some nice people asked us to come over and party with them under their tent – they were season ticket holders at APP. Nice guy, many of you folks prob know the dude, he is the one with the little black and yellow santa.

    Maybe it was coincidence, but tons of cars with ASU stuff around town, including where we tailgated. I saw one 49er sticker.

    BOA stadium appears to not have a bad seat in the house, however the inside look of the stadium is a little boring and concrete grey.

  96. AppWyo

    June 26, 2012 at 11:27 am



    June 26, 2012 at 3:23 pm


    June 26, 2012 at 1:38 pm


    which FBS conference has came calling?

    I believe that sentance should start with a capital letter and should use the present tense of the the word come instead of the past tense came which you could have used instead of has. So the two ways you should have written that sentance are as follows;

    Which FBS conference has come calling?


    Which FBS conference came calling?

    To answer your question I’m sure which conference we will be in is still in the negotiations phase. Regardless, Appalachian will be in a better position than Charlotte will be just you wait and see.

  97. asu7

    June 26, 2012 at 11:32 am

    That concert was awesome. I saw way more APP gear. In fact during my stay in Charlotte I did not see any concord stuff.


    June 26, 2012 at 11:32 am

    The fact that CCC fans troll our sports board tells you all you need to know. To quote James Spader from the movie Sixteen Candles: "The girl (CCC) is and will always be nada."

  99. Big Dave

    June 26, 2012 at 11:39 am

    Once CUSA sees that the R.E.A (rural electrification association) did indeed run powerlines through Boone and that we do wear shoes and we have TV's without aluminum foil antennae boosters and that we draw from the big cities then they might understand that we would be a very solid addition that would help get UNCC off the ground and take a bite albeit very small out of the ACC market.

    Thar be gold in them thar hills if yer smart enuff to look fir it.

    Also to Mr. CUSA Commish…."We can't cure stupid"

  100. AppWyo

    June 26, 2012 at 11:54 am

    What he needs, is some white liquor, from them thar hills.

  101. Dr. Gonzo

    June 26, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    Excellent idea. Let's take a page out of our founding fathers' book. Invite some CUSA presidents to Boone, give them a little white-lighting from a mason jar and they'll sign the treaty.

  102. Appgrad11

    June 26, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    I Hate to break it to you bcoach but no fcs teams could beat any bowl teams last year. Sorry. The national chamion runner up Sam Houston State who won by one point over new Mexico state who finished last in the entire fbs. You are extremely wrong when it comes to bowl games.

  103. Dr. Gonzo

    June 26, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    North Dakota State could have beaten the bottom half of the FBS bowl participants last year. Obviously to exception not the rule though.

  104. asu7

    June 26, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    I think it would depend on when they played. At the beginning of the year maybe. Towards the end of the year when everything is clicking maybe not. I will say this our 2007 team could have definitely beat half of the bowl participants. That was 5 years ago though.

    Hoping the coaching changes get us back to where we were in 2005.

  105. Appgrad11

    June 26, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    I watched nearly all the bowl games and a half of the fcs championship and you could tell the talent difference. UL Lafeyette (Sun Belt) would have beat ND State by 30

  106. Matt

    June 26, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    Cobb says App makes $2 million per year, so why are all sports not fully funded? Because he is spending it on himself.

  107. Murray

    June 26, 2012 at 1:17 pm

    Cobb is paying his wife $2 million to be fugly.

  108. APPFanAl

    June 26, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    Forget the white liquor…..get'um some apple pie….That will sell anyone!

  109. App-Forever

    June 26, 2012 at 1:57 pm

    49ers Do you have to know how to spell to go CCC? Conferene is spelled conference in Boone!!

  110. MIDWEST

    June 26, 2012 at 2:10 pm


    Check your facts. ND State beat Lafayette 42-6 the second game of the season.

  111. Matt

    June 26, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    It just makes me sick to know wtf Peacock and Cobb spend Apps money.

  112. Appywho?

    June 26, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    Good lord! The ignorance is almost overwhelming!


    "I believe that sentence should start with a capital letter and should use the present tense of the the word come instead of the past tense came which you could have used instead of has. So the two ways you should have written that sentence are as follows;"

    What the F*** was that?!? That has to be one of the most poorly written sentences I have ever seen. It needs a multiplicity of commas, and even so it would still be a run on sentence. Also, why does your sentence end in a semicolon instead of a colon? Is there a second half to this thought that you thankfully spared us from? To make matters worse, this was the corrected version! That sentence is too broken to be fixed. I suggest you take a deep breath, relax, and try again. Or better yet…don't.


    49ers was merely quoting Appywyo when he said "patients" instead of patience. Please see comment from Appywyo June 26th @ 1:24pm. That is the kind of face palm mistake that only someone with an appy degree would make.

    Dr. Gonzo:

    Would you care to paste a link for any of the thoughts that fall out of your head? You sit there, no doubt on a friends couch or in mommy's kitchen, spewing this garbage about appy being a better school than Charlotte. Yet you consistently fail to post a single link to any article. When I resolved the issue that Charlotte degrees are in fact better than appy degrees, I posted a link to the Wall Street Journal. That link showed that a person with a Charlotte degree will make more throughout the course of his life than a person with an appy degree. Here it is again in case you missed it:

    I dare you to find one article that would list appy ahead of Charlotte as a national research university. Let me capitalize the important part for you, so you don't miss it… NATIONAL RESEARCH UNIVERSITY. I don't believe you will find one.

  113. Reese

    June 26, 2012 at 2:46 pm

    you can talk about how UNCC is "superior" to ASU, but the big difference is pretty much that UNCC is f*cking boring and ugly. But it's okay, UNCC is in CUSA.

  114. Reese

    June 26, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    I'll take my "inferior" mountain school degree any day. It was pretty miserable living in the appalachian mountains and watching my football team beat michigan en route to our third national championship. Truly awful 4 years.

  115. Murray

    June 26, 2012 at 2:52 pm


    If you are concerned with ignorance, be concerned with YOSEF, you are a jackass.

    You l need not finger point but start firing those those who caused the problems. Peacock hired Cobb. Fire them both and lets move on…:.

  116. LP APPFAN

    June 26, 2012 at 3:12 pm

    49ers the only research I need is when I go into work and have 5 of your alumni that work FOR me. The funny part is I am 6 years younger than the youngest of the group. Good luck with your start up football program. Those 0-12 years will be a blast. GET A LIFE

  117. (sigh)

    June 26, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    To Appywho? –

    Not sure what your sheepish comments about academics have ANYTHING to do with football. YOUR ignorance is quite overwhelming (makes sense though coming from a community college). You've earned this rebuttal…

    ASU produces a lot of teachers… so that statement about "monetary worth of the degree" is complete BS. Saying that UNCC degress are worth more based on that WSJ report is as ridiculous as the report that UNC-CH geography students made a lot of money on average compare to other universities (what they also refrained to detail was that Michael Jordan was a geography major and was a multimillionaire in the NBA – completely throwing off the average salary of UNC-CH geography students). That arguement is typical of UNCC grads because they are desperate to be relevant academically when in fact it is common knowledge around the southeast that ASU is a better school any way you look at it. Ask any non-UNCC grad and they will tell you the same. The fact that you keep trolling this blog to prove yourself only conveys that you have "little man syndrome" (the name of another troll of this blog, btw) about the university you attended.

    Compare apples to apples (colleges within ASU and college with UNCC) and you will find that of the colleges we do share – ASU ranks higher than ALL of them. GOOGLE IT. We also make more money salary wise from college to college. Oh and yeah – check all the major businesses in downtown Charlotte.. yeah, they're mostly ASU grads.

    It's harder to get into ASU, the students are smarter at ASU, the come into ASU with higher grades and SAT scores, and they get paid more.

    Data on ASU:

    Data on UNCC:

    You can't argue with facts. Keep your BS off this blog before we put you in the corner with your finger over your mouth. Enjoy the 0-12 season…


  118. Murray

    June 26, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    Ok Appywho, google is your answer to solve all problems……. Good work stupid.

    Common sense need apply. Do not be blinded by the Bullsh*t. Its the same sh*t Cobb has been dishing out since he arrived to Boone.

  119. MadDoctor

    June 26, 2012 at 4:15 pm


    The designation of"research university" is based on a quantity of programs, not the quality. Just as your students are weak, so are your Ph.D. Programs. One might as well go to Everest or ECPI. I'm sure there are a lot of Doctors of Trucking and Doctors of Sanitation walking the streets of Charlotte. UNC Concord has dropped its standards so low just to add numbers. The result is a bigger school with stupid students and bogus graduate programs.

  120. bcoach

    June 26, 2012 at 4:41 pm


    First of all I feel bad that you had to watch all those bowls. But the fact is that in my opinion you are just wrong. The level of play in the bottom half of FBS is just not that different from a lot of the top fcs teams year in and year out. In fact there have been some very interesting games in addition, such as JMU over VT and I sure would not consider VT to be in the bottom half.

  121. Jon Pugh

    June 26, 2012 at 4:47 pm

    AppyWho was denied from ASU lol!

  122. MIDWEST

    June 26, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    Man, we need some positive news around this joint. This horse has turned into a pile of ashes and dust. When is the rain coming?

  123. AppWyo

    June 26, 2012 at 5:11 pm

    Rain is comming this weekend. I think Appywho? is just plain angry and it's good that he has found as a place to vent.

  124. (sigh)

    June 26, 2012 at 5:12 pm

    Ok, you can't say rain is coming without dishing out some info. What's happening?

  125. timclassof77

    June 26, 2012 at 5:16 pm

    In addition CrappyWho, we were given a conditional invite to the Sunbelt which was withdrawn because Ga Southern was not ready to move up..

    Now run back to your momma, give her her credit cards back and get ready for summer school tomorrow. You have yet to pass the third grade as far as I can tell.

    BTW, I shall be flying out of the Charlotte Airport tomorrow. When I do this which is frequently, I always see far more ASU stuff on cars than I do from your sorry a@@ed little school. Hell I see more Western Carolina stuff on cars there than yours…So go flush yourself down your little community college's cess pool.

  126. EMCasu04

    June 26, 2012 at 6:32 pm

    Well this is fun…debating our school's credentials with some dipsh*t UNCC troll. Fact is, App State has more nationwide name recognition, more pull in the business community and better academic credentials. Personally, it certainly was helpful being an ASU alum when I applied to law school.

    Who believes some statistics from a Murdoch rag anyway? Am I right?

  127. Appthunder90

    June 26, 2012 at 6:44 pm

    Someone correct me if I am mistaken, but I think Murray tried to stand up for our school before he started trying to fire all of its admin! Even Murray hates uncc

  128. Appgrad11

    June 26, 2012 at 7:13 pm

    First of all check you facts Midwest that's Lafayette Pennsylvania not il Lafayette jackass and bcoach jmu beat va tech in 2010 and we beat Michigan in 2007 other than that it does not happen often

  129. AppWyo

    June 26, 2012 at 7:22 pm

    Sunday – Scattered afternoon clouds; Continued hot; Widely scattered PM showers & t-storms; High in the upper 80s; Low in the mid 60s

  130. RadioFan

    June 26, 2012 at 7:24 pm

    Just in 2011 FCS teams had some success over FBS teams

    Sac St def Oregon St

    Richmond def Duke

    ISUb def WKU

    NDSU def Minn

    SHSU def New Mexico

  131. Appgrad11

    June 26, 2012 at 9:14 pm

    Thanks for proving my argument Radiofan not one of those FBS schools was in a bowl game

  132. asu7

    June 27, 2012 at 3:27 am

    Leave it to concord to unite us all.

  133. Appnaysayer

    June 27, 2012 at 3:42 am

    Look Moron,

    I was quoting Appwyo, not 49er. I don't like newbies who come to this site with no knowledge of regular posters and try to act like they own it. When it comes to admissions selectivity, you lose. Period. End of discussion. Better students at ASU, better SAT scores. To wit: SMARTER THAN YOU. UNCC has doctoral programs, but most are of a technical, vocational nature. No Ph.D., in history or English, that I know of. UNC-G has at least one liberal arts Ph.D. You don't. ECU has a medical school. You don't. Bottom line: that makes you NC's glorified trade school in a city dominated by bankers and insurance salesmen. In other words: plain vanilla. Now crawl back into your air conditioned cubicle, turn on the radio, listen to a NASCAR race, and try to convince yourself that you're cultured.

  134. A.Freeman

    June 27, 2012 at 4:51 am

    Wow…this is a different flavor of Naysayer than I remember. Glad to know we all are on the same team when face with opposition.

  135. Champ24

    June 27, 2012 at 5:14 am

    Western Kentucky finished 7-5 (7-1) in the SunBelt. Dont understand why they didnt go bowling. Teams like App State, JMU, Ga Southern, Richmond would run the Sun Belt

  136. bcoach

    June 27, 2012 at 5:21 am


    June 27, 2012 at 1:14 am

    Thanks for proving my argument Radiofan not one of those FBS schools was in a bowl game

    It does start to prove that there is not that much difference between the bottom half of FBS and some of FCS. I would argue that there is a much wider gap between the top of FBS and the bottom of FBS than there is between the bottom of FBS and the top of FCS. Then again this is not that big a deal. This blog is just something for a bunch of guys who have no idea what they are talking about to do till the season starts.

  137. asu7

    June 27, 2012 at 6:16 am

    I can't wait for the Camels to wax them.

  138. MIDWEST

    June 27, 2012 at 6:21 am


    I think the "bottom half of FBS" is a stretch. Maybe the bottom third.

  139. CUSA Bound

    June 27, 2012 at 6:59 am

    I don't know which is more fun to read, the delusions or the jealousy

  140. Dr. Gonzo

    June 27, 2012 at 7:05 am

    "Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge"

    -Charles Darwin

  141. CUSA Bound

    June 27, 2012 at 7:11 am

    Gonzo, ring leader of Ignorance, Delusions and Jealousy. Not many can accomplish what you have.

  142. asu7

    June 27, 2012 at 7:14 am

    GO CAMELS!!!

    I think we open with UGA in 2013 … Have fun with the Camels.

  143. MIDWEST

    June 27, 2012 at 7:15 am

    Still upset that you didn't get into App, aren't you? Let it go, man, let it go.

  144. App '93

    June 27, 2012 at 7:19 am

    I think it's pretty obvious that even though UNCC has made it to FBS before us, the couple of poster they have that continue to come on this site are still jealous of us. It's comical and sad at the same time!

  145. CUSA Bound

    June 27, 2012 at 7:20 am

    Yeah, you're engineering program was just too tough, oh wait. . .

    Let me know when you want to compare W-2's.

  146. CUSA Bound

    June 27, 2012 at 7:23 am


  147. Dr. Gonzo

    June 27, 2012 at 7:24 am

    CUSA Bound: leader of Random, unNecessary CapitaliZations.

    You had me a ring leader. I know you've studied college football for a whole 2 months now, but lets not pretend you can hang with a message board junkie of my stature.

    Safety School. No experience. No admission standards. No soul. A lack of better options is the only way to end up at UNCc. Your natural state of misery is truly sad. I hope your jealous trolling makes you feel better. It sure makes me feel better!

  148. IAmWhatIAm

    June 27, 2012 at 7:25 am

    "The two schools have a completely different class of incoming freshman. App freshman were in all honors and AP classes, UNCC freshman were not."

    I was all honors and AP courses, as well as taking courses through a local CC while in HS, and I went to Charlotte. Please don't speak in generalities. It's fine if you want to state GPA and SAT scores, but provide links (like "sigh" did) otherwise nobody is going to take you seriously. Also, I don't really see what academics has to do with the whole thing, it's not an academic pissing contest. It's about market and potential. Simple as that.

  149. MIDWEST

    June 27, 2012 at 7:28 am

    Yes, you are so proud of your school and you make so much more money than App grads, yet you feel the need to come to our sports board on a regular basis. With all that money you make, why don't you start a site?


  150. Dr. Gonzo

    June 27, 2012 at 7:30 am

    Compare the selectivity and W-2's of school's we have in common and you'll find your answer.

    An engineer that doesn't know his 'yours.' Only at UNCc. What's the curriculum like in UNCc Engineering "School?"

    Let me guess:

    Year 1: Lincoln Logs 101, Lego Construction 102

    Year 2: Card-board box fort building 202, Plugging in your phone charger without getting electrocuted 204

    Is that about right so far?

  151. MadDoctor

    June 27, 2012 at 7:35 am


    Are you not aware that doctoral programs are a dime a dozen and are offered by such schools as University of Phoenix, which is a lot like UNC concord. They have a stadium and no team too. Maybe they will play you online.

    Look at ALL the rankings and admissions data. UNCC.will admit anyone with a pulse and government assistance.

    Doesn't it bother you that, as a basketball school, the most successful coach (and alum) in your history is now a water boy at NC State? Maybe that helps explain the lack of school spirit, license plates, decals, etc… Life is fun when you are 0-0, isn't it? Wait until the hitting starts.

  152. Dr. Gonzo

    June 27, 2012 at 7:35 am


    Average Freshman…



    UNCC- 1580



    UNCC- 3.6

    All I did was google SAT/GPA averages for freshman for both schools. Not something that would normally need to be linked in a message board, but here you go! Pretty lazy of you to demand that.

    You are the exception, not the rule if you took hard classes in HS. perhaps you got bad grades in those classes? The fact is, there is a significant gap in the academic prestige between UNCC and App.

    Thank your buddy Appywho for starting the academic pissing contest. Pretty ill advised move considering how far behind your school is.

  153. Dr. Gonzo

    June 27, 2012 at 7:39 am


    I had the link to UNC by accident.

    Speaking of such mistakes, the only reason someone outside of NC would have heard about your school is if they typed too many C's in a Tar Heel Google search. How is that for "national status."

  154. bcoach

    June 27, 2012 at 7:48 am


    I won't argue that point. I'll go bottom third, as that is still a minimum of 40 teams. Right now there are 35 bowls so that is 70 teams. That means that only 10 teams in the top two thirds didn't get a bowl. I really don't think that those 10 teams were ranked 71-80. I think that the top FCS teams could beat some of those bowl teams. Now I very well could be wrong as I didn't watch 35 bowl games and I understand that it is crazy not to watch 35 BOWL GAMES. So I guess after careful consideration that Appgrad11 after watching EVERY ONE OF THOSE 35 BOWL GAMES would be the expert, not me. Then again you never know what might have happened in the second half of the FCS national championship game that he missed. Oh well I guess it will just have to one of those mysteries of life. Watcha think?

  155. IAmWhatIAm

    June 27, 2012 at 7:49 am

    It's lazy on your part to not provide factual material in a debate, something so simple that an educated App grad should have learned in high school. Perhaps in an AP English course.

    I received A's and B's in those courses, received college credit and placed out of certain courses upon my arrival at Charlotte, which at that time was not unheard of at many schools. I hold two degrees from the University and graduated Cum Laude, so you're talking trash to the wrong hombre.

    I located the school because I was an educated person looking for a specific major (architecture) and visited numerous institutions such as UVa, NCSU, Temple, and VaTech. I chose Charlotte because of it's program and location. Not because it was easy, or "inferior" to App, or any of those other courses. I felt the environment would make me better at my expected career.

    As for being "inferior", categorically, the two schools would be roughly in the same group. While App scores higher in the SAT and GPA, the ACT numbers are spot on, and let's not act like the scores were THAT disparate, especially when you consider the 7,000-8,000 more students on our campus, it's a larger pool, and some lame ducks will get in. I will not deny that their are some borderline retards that were at that school, but they were a minority and generally appeasing Daddy up in Lake Norman by getting a general business degree. If you believe that slight edge in academics will really sway a student to chose one or the other, well, then I do not know what to tell you.

  156. little man syndrome

    June 27, 2012 at 7:54 am

    copius amounts of butthurt on display.

    Debating the vast differences in academics between two state schools with less than 100 pt diffence in SAT scores and a negligible difference in GPA seems like a fruitless effort, but whatever. I understand its what you need to cling to at the moment. Its clear that you all are still very early in the grieving process so this is all very normal.

  157. Dr. Gonzo

    June 27, 2012 at 8:06 am

    Oh ok, we're gonna pretend that kids don't value academic standards when choosing a school. (this is utter crap by the way)

    Shall they chose on college experience? Here's somewhere where it's not even close.

    You have App: an old school with a ton of history and tradition nestled in one of the coolest college towns in the nation (rated high nationally in "Coolest College Towns" frequently)….

    There are countless bars and cool restaurants within a short walk of campus. Boone is a bona fide mecca of entertainment with it's college town theme and central location, smack-dab in the middle of every skii/snow boarding resort in NC.

    Then there's UNCc: A new school with no tradition. There's no college atmosphere to speak of. In fact, the place is bordered by 100% franchise restaurants. If the students want to go to a bar, it means a 20 minute car ride down town and even then it's more of a yuppie scene than a college bar scene. If the students want to walk from the dorm, they'll be forced to settle for some small apartment party. Little do they know that walking to and from is quite dangerous. The UNCC/Concord Mills/Lowes Motor Speedway area is a pretty rough part of town. Students are frequently robbed and assaulted. If they're lucky to escape the crime ridden area, they'll likely fall victim to the over-policed campus with a drinking ticket. Luckily for these kids however, the majority of them will still live at their parents house, so they'll not have to deal with the peril of living on the campus on UNCc.

    You see, it's not just academic that you're a clear underdog in this debate. It is your entire institutional value. This is why you hate us. This is why you're here. You lash out at what you cannot accomplish.

    It's great to be a Mountaineer.

  158. 49ers

    June 27, 2012 at 8:14 am

    Dr.Bozo you are forgetting Calculus 1,2, and 3

    and differential equations, physics 1&2

    and just an FYI these are only the basic engineerig courses but no worries I have heard "Business Calc." is pretty tricky haha

  159. 49ers

    June 27, 2012 at 8:15 am

    so another words it's great to be FCS?

  160. IAmWhatIAm

    June 27, 2012 at 8:18 am

    LOL. Thanks for the laugh. I was never robbed, nor assaulted, anywhere in Charlotte. Also, it's Charlotte, a large metropolitan area. Crimes happen, like assault and robbery. There's no bestiality here like one would encounter in Boone. The goats are happier here.

    I can't believe you cited BleacherReport. Wow. There's plenty of non-chain restaurants/bars within 10 mins of campus. Would it be nice to walk to many of these places, sure, but it is what it is. The downtown scene is actually high with college students, not just from our school, but other local colleges. It's a pretty good scene. I'm not here because I hate App. I'm here because I find certain posters who speak in generalities and with over the top comments talking about things they do not really know (minimal academic differences being a boon to applicants, Charlotte being a cesspool, etc.). You amuse me. I also find it hilarious that you have a thread going for 150+ comments based off a Charlotte 49er – CUSA based article that briefly mentioned your school. Yet, we're the trolls? Pot meet kettle.

  161. Watauga 72

    June 27, 2012 at 8:24 am

    What a hoot. Some UNCC yahoo starts slamming ASU academics, is proven wrong, and now we're inundated with 49er idiots. BTW, they offer calculus and physics at ASU as well.

    As to being great to be in FCS….better than not having a team at all. Who's your first home opponent this season? Enjoy that game.

  162. AppOrange

    June 27, 2012 at 8:25 am

    I would agree with someone from above, for the most part, the top 10-15 in FCS can hang very well with the bottome 3rd of FBS, after that, it takes a pretty special effort. Most teams in ANY bowl game would beat the FCS #1 9 out of 10 times. I hate that, but it is true; it its what it is.

  163. bcoach

    June 27, 2012 at 8:25 am

    Yes but IN OTHER WORDS it also sure has been better than no team at all.

  164. AppOrange

    June 27, 2012 at 8:28 am

    Card-board box fort building 202 sounds pretty fun

  165. 49ers

    June 27, 2012 at 8:29 am

    Watauga 72

    I was naming off the engineering courses in response to Dr. Gonzo so please STFU

  166. bcoach

    June 27, 2012 at 8:29 am

    that was directed to the english major 49

  167. Dr. Gonzo

    June 27, 2012 at 8:29 am

    This is our blog. You are a visiter here. Yes, you are the trolls….

    If you can't understand that dynamic, perhaps you should have gone to a better school.

    "I’m here because I find certain posters who speak in generalities and with over the top comments "

    "There’s no bestiality here like one would encounter in Boone. The goats are happier here."

    "Pot meet kettle."

    As my intellectual inferior, you are doing a fine job arguing with yourself. I'll leave you to it.

  168. little man syndrome

    June 27, 2012 at 8:29 am

    Thy butthurt runneth over!

    Gonzo, I thought you were being serious with your response, but then I read that Boone is a "bona fide mecca of entertainment", so now I can't tell if you're yanking our chain or not.

    I tell you what you should do though. Go to wikipedia and update the App State entry to include that Amy Daughters, featured columnist with bleacher report has ranked App State as the 27th "coolest college town" for 2011.

    Meanwhile we'll update ours to include your FBS invite.

  169. 49ers

    June 27, 2012 at 8:30 am

    haha cute apporange and what was your major???

    easy Buisness or an Education major?

  170. bcoach

    June 27, 2012 at 8:31 am

    I think they need a course in anger mgt

  171. App '93

    June 27, 2012 at 8:37 am

    I think Gonzo has said it the best:

    "You see, it’s not just academic that you’re a clear underdog in this debate. It is your entire institutional value. This is why you hate us. This is why you’re here. You lash out at what you cannot accomplish.

    It’s great to be a Mountaineer."

  172. Watauga 72

    June 27, 2012 at 8:38 am

    STFU??? Is that all you've got? Let me try it….you STFU!!! How was that? I feel all mature and adultish…how 'bout you?

    I understand why you're on the App State fan site discussing football, as the charlotte site, like thier football program, non-existent.

    And now we're joined by another 49er with serious anal fascination. You guys just keep providing more entertainment.

  173. asu7

    June 27, 2012 at 8:39 am

    Self help … an idiot's guide to not being an idiot.

    Please read it concord highway 49. Just another hyphen school wanting to rough up some feathers.

  174. Old Timer 49er

    June 27, 2012 at 8:41 am

    Please listen all. I am a 1976 graduate of UNCC. I love my school. My son is a graduatee of App. I love App because of that. UNCC is fortunate that it is in a large market. App cannot help it is in a small market. Someday we will both be FBS and all of this sniping will be history. At 58 years old, I have come to realize that with an education, like everything else in life, you get out of it what you put in to it. THEY ARE BOTH GREAT SCHOOLS!!!! I want success for both schools. Where has civility gone? Everyone….please stop your sniping and let's hope for App to get an FBS invite sooner than later. THAT IS WHAT THEY DESERVE!!!!!

  175. 49ers

    June 27, 2012 at 8:42 am

    still upset about us taking "your" Conference USA spot

  176. Watauga 72

    June 27, 2012 at 8:46 am

    Nope, not upset at all. It wasn't our spot. Willing to allow the FBS/FCS reshuffle play out to see where we land. If/when we get an invitation to join a FBS conference it will be earned based upon performance on the field, not handed out due to proximity to a large tv market.

  177. AppWyo

    June 27, 2012 at 8:46 am

    The real reason the UNCC fans are on this message board is because is by far the best message board there is. You never see begging for money like most message boards do. That is a testament for Also it is so easy to post on that anybody can do it. In other words, anyone and it looks like ANYONE can figure it out.

  178. Watauga 72

    June 27, 2012 at 8:48 am

    AppWho, sound like an insurance commercial: so easy even a caveman can do it. Apparently so.

  179. Dr. Gonzo

    June 27, 2012 at 8:49 am

    Regardless of conference affiliation, the University of Chapel Hill at Charlotte is and will always be an afterthought in the minds of sport fans, Charlotte residents and most importantly, UNCc alumni.

    Trade schools yield transient alumni.

  180. Joe

    June 27, 2012 at 8:49 am

    CUSA Bound, I will be proud to compare W-2s at any time.. When your team gets the courage to play us, I will bring them to the venue to compare.

  181. 49ers

    June 27, 2012 at 8:52 am

    Just curious and don't go getting upset and pissed off but realistically which FBS conference in say 5-10 years do you see ASU joining?

  182. Dr. Gonzo

    June 27, 2012 at 8:53 am

    Actually, Appfan isn't a message board at all, even though the comment sections explode with dialogue. The quickness and ease of posting along with the blog's popularity are the main reasons these UNCC fans are here every single day (aside from their fundamental personality disorders of course).

    When Appfan introduced the new registration process, I was hoping they would totally disable the instant comment box and require all posters to register before posting.

  183. MadDoctor

    June 27, 2012 at 8:53 am


    You will know if it is great to be FCS next year, when you will be. Hope that walk-on secondary is ready for the big Campbell game. We might see the first case of a Camel smoking a man. Continue to enjoy being 0-0. Reality arrives in about 14 months, and it will be ugly for you.

  184. 49ers

    June 27, 2012 at 8:55 am

    oh my gosh!! MadDoctor I remember you from the C-USA board yesterday I root for was UNC

  185. Dr. Gonzo

    June 27, 2012 at 8:56 am

    Sunbelt is and has been my first choice 49. If they add GaSo and App, they will essentially be neck and neck with CUSA in strength of schedule within a few short years. Better travel. Easier transition at first. ect

    ECU is 80% of the reason App would want to go CUSA and, I don't know if you've noticed, but they've been trying to get out of CUSA for years. No ECU = no reason for App to join CUSA.

  186. Old Timer 49er

    June 27, 2012 at 8:57 am

    The reason I am here is because I, unlike some, am a 49er who wants App to get the invite I believe they deserve. I want to be able to call my son and let him know it has happened. It is about the comaraderie sports can enhance between a father and a son. I have attended App State games with my son and cheered them on. My son will do the same with me and the 49ers. I hope it all works out for both the Niners and the Mountaineers. I can gladly, and with grace, pull whole heartedly for both programs.

  187. AppWyo

    June 27, 2012 at 8:58 am

    Thanks for the understanding of just what is. I like the format.

  188. Dr. Gonzo

    June 27, 2012 at 8:58 am

    Classy posts Old Timer. I appreciate your contribution. You are a true rarity among your fanbase.

  189. 49ers

    June 27, 2012 at 8:59 am

    I honestly thought the SB was going to invite you guys the texas state addition surprised me

  190. EMCasu04

    June 27, 2012 at 8:59 am

    I'm wondering if these UNCC folks paid the troll toll…YOU GOTTA PAY THE TROLL TOLL TO GET IN!

  191. MadDoctor

    June 27, 2012 at 9:03 am

    Sorry 49er. Didn't even know CUSA had a message board. Unlike you trolls, I stay on my own mb. 2 Maddoctors, what a wonderful world.

    BTW, Tell Bobby Lutz the State players need more water.

  192. NWA

    June 27, 2012 at 9:03 am

    I have stayed out of this pissing contest because it's, well pretty stupid. Average salary has as much to do with family ties, field of choice, social ties and many other factors as it does with the college degree you have. I put no weight in this college means I will make X more. I feel confident that if my daughter attends App or Charlotte that her success will be dictated far more by who she is as a person and what advantages I can offer her outside of her college education.

    The only thing I want to address directly is:

    "I always see far more ASU stuff on cars"

    This line, which you all use, kills me. It can't possibly have something to do with the fact that YOU HAVE HAD FOOTBALL? Again so many app fans hold against us that which we didn't have. Take away football and weekend trips back to Boone and how many of those people do you think would really have App anything on their cars? Football is a HUGE benefit to keeping alumni connected. I mean obviously they aren't connected to App because of your basketball program.

    Oh and Appfan being the best message board around? PLEASE… I will give you it is way better than the delphi board some of you are on, but as message boards go this one is pretty lame. beats this hands down, but then it is far away better than most boards.

  193. Watauga 72

    June 27, 2012 at 9:05 am

    There are many shoes yet to drop on conference realignment as well as FBS/FCS alignment. Wouldn't be surprised if this includes realignment of the BCS conferences into a different level with everyone else relegated to what becomes a defacto div 1-AA level.

    The Big East is in danger of losing their place at the table and will need to bring in more football oriented schools, which may open the door for ECU. They've not hidden their desire to move "up" to a BCS level conference. That will seriously damage CUSA, and not sure I'd want to be part of the conference without ECU.

    More raids on the smaller FBS conferences will open up opportunities for ASU. Regardless, we'll be playing football and enjoying our team, beautiful surroundings, and lovely campus. Please feel free to come to Boone this fall to watch college football.

  194. Dr. Gonzo

    June 27, 2012 at 9:11 am

    Here ya go NWA. She's only about 2 months old, but her format in awesome. I hope it explodes soon. Not too many App fans know about it yet.

    Delphi is god awful and has an ungodly amount of activity. More than Ninernation for sure. I hope the old guard on MMB can migrate to this much better format. Except ggregg. That a$$ hole can stay on the MMB all by himself.

  195. Watauga 72

    June 27, 2012 at 9:16 am

    "This line, which you all use, kills me. It can’t possibly have something to do with the fact that YOU HAVE HAD FOOTBALL? Again so many app fans hold against us that which we didn’t have. Take away football and weekend trips back to Boone and how many of those people do you think would really have App anything on their cars? Football is a HUGE benefit to keeping alumni connected. I mean obviously they aren’t connected to App because of your basketball program."

    NWA, I think you've missed the point being made in the rebuttals (that word was for you, littleman). UNCC fans are here ridiculing ASU football for being FCS….when UNCC has yet to field a team at either level. I personally don't care if/when UNCC plays, or at what level. It will be years before the program makes an impact on the field and I'm willing to bet before providing any unifying effect for the school.

    You're right, sports can unify a fan base and provide a university identity. Doesn't have to be just football, and since you've taken the opportunity to slam our basketball program, you must be suggesting that UNCC's b-ball program provides that service. Really?

  196. Reese

    June 27, 2012 at 9:21 am

    Someone raised the topic of our "dynamic" here on the appfan message board. How would one describe our dynamic here? Unorganized, disagreeable chaos? And then midwest talking about "vision" somewhere in there too i guess.

  197. little man syndrome

    June 27, 2012 at 9:24 am

    I come to for several reasons including, but not limited to the following:

    *to witness the wailing and gnashing of teeth that spills out on a weekly basis. Schadenfreude, plain and simple.

    *to watch Dr Gonzo compete in his daily mental gymnastics routine.

    * because of my fundamental personality disorders of course! amirite good doctor?!

    * because i like to remember what if feels like to post in the 1990's

  198. Watauga 72

    June 27, 2012 at 9:25 am

    Random…since it's not a monitored board seems anything goes, which makes it interesting but does allow for idiots to derail serious conversations.

  199. EMCasu04

    June 27, 2012 at 9:28 am

    Don't forget the raving about it all being Obama's fault sprinkled in there somewhere, Reese. I mean clearly the POTUS is to blame for us not being FBS, am I right?

  200. Joe

    June 27, 2012 at 9:28 am

    There will also be a new App fan site launching August 1 — one month from the beginning of football season.

  201. Old Timer 49er

    June 27, 2012 at 9:28 am

    My dream…..2042!!!! Charlotte 49ers vs. App State Mountaineers for the FBS National Championship. Eat you heart out UNC, Duke, State, Wake and the rest of the country. Wouldn't that be the greatest day!!!

  202. AppWyo

    June 27, 2012 at 9:29 am looks too complicated to me.

  203. Watauga 72

    June 27, 2012 at 9:33 am

    There is also MountaineerIllustrated, but that site has very little activity on the free board. No idea about the pay side. They do control access and it is monitored so much of the riffraff are kept out, which could explain why none of us post there!!!???

  204. AppWyo

    June 27, 2012 at 9:33 am

    looks fun, but I like to see other things besides just sports like provides.

  205. AppWyo

    June 27, 2012 at 9:36 am

    Watauga 72 that would explain why we post here instead.

  206. NWA

    June 27, 2012 at 9:42 am

    "Doesn’t have to be just football, and since you’ve taken the opportunity to slam our basketball program, you must be suggesting that UNCC’s b-ball program provides that service. Really?"

    Not a slam – just a fact. Fact is we don't have football. I have been very honest in all my posts here that I acknowledge we got into CUSA because of previous CUSA relationships and our market. If App was in Charlottte you would be in CUSA, if ECU was in Charlotte they would be in the BE.

    My statement about ASU basketball is you can't get more than 2000 people at a basketball game – not talking smack, that is a fact ( Your fan base is there because of football, which is ok. Nothing unites a fanbase like football does. Basketball can, but it takes runs like Butler or Gonzaga have had. Our basketball program did a lot for our fanbase in the late 90s early 00s to bring our fanbase stronger – but unlike football, you HAVE to win in basketball. Football though is an event – very different.

    My point was that lack of football has contributed greatly to where we are today. In fact I am actually pretty amazed at how strong our fanbase has been without football and without a deep NCAA basketball run. If you remove football from the equation App wouldn't have the same level of support as they do today and honestly I dont think they would have the support Charlotte has had without football.

    Football has been your train to keep alumni engaged. Charlotte now has that train as well. I suspect that you will be seeing more and more Charlotte stickers on cars over the next 5 years.

    As for the BE as Watauga72 mentions – the BE losing the AQ will really force Boise and SDSU to rethink their membership in that league. Without the AQ what is the motivation for schools to go to the BE? Could be tv deal – but I am not sure how much that TV will pull without Boise. I can see the BE pulling some more schools from CUSA east or the football side falling apart. IMO App REALLY needs the BE to survive as a football league. If they go away that will make it very difficult for App to move up.

  207. AppWyo

    June 27, 2012 at 9:53 am

    In 12 years the 4 team bracket will expand to 16 or more and you will see another great conference shift just like it has in the FCS. I personally don't think it will take that long to expand, because contracts can be renegotiated.

  208. asu7

    June 27, 2012 at 9:57 am

    ECU will not be in CUSA long once all the dust settles. BE will have to invite some football schools that already established. Without ECU CUSA is really no different than a glorified FCS league especially since they added no program concord.

    I have no desire to be in a ECU less glorified fcs league that is the CUSA. Sun Belt>CUSA without ECU.

  209. bcoach

    June 27, 2012 at 10:02 am

    Does UNCC have a schedule yet? Just interested. Not part of the pissing contest.

  210. Dr. Gonzo

    June 27, 2012 at 10:10 am

    App message board/blogs: Appfan, MMB, AppStateNation, Mountaineer Illustrated, App Trail, Yosef's Cabin, BidC's Tailgate, Mikes ASU Blog, Appstate Gonzo (although I haven't added material since Feb, I plan to really jump start it at the end of the summer)

    Forums where we're included: AnygivenSaturday, Championship Subdivision, SoConnected, CSNBBS

    Did I miss any?

  211. Watauga 72

    June 27, 2012 at 10:30 am

    Can't argue about our b-ball program. It has not been good enough to generate enthusiasm on campus, and that's where the support must come from to generate attendance. I was in Boone during Cremin's too-short tenure and it was a different atmoshphere. Success does breed support. Getting to Boone during the middle of the week in January to watch a basketball game is also a difficult proposition.

  212. asu7

    June 27, 2012 at 10:33 am

    I tend to go to more away games for BBall because they are closer. I am sure if we had a winning program or just a program that cared about the product we put on the floor then we would have fans come out of the woods from every direction.

  213. asu7

    June 27, 2012 at 11:02 am

    Heck the BE may off that as well 72.

  214. asu7

    June 27, 2012 at 11:03 am


  215. Watauga 72

    June 27, 2012 at 11:26 am

    NWA, just reread your post about having to win in basketball vs football. I think that success in football is just as critical in generating fan support and attendance. If our program slides to several 5-6 or 4-7 years we'll see just how great our support is.

  216. bcoach

    June 27, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    Watauga 72

    We both know what will happen if we have that kind of record for a few years. The same thing that happens at all the rest of the NC schools and most others. I'll have a lot more room to stretch out during games. That is exactly what worries me about this move from a financial standpoint. We will really need the TV money but a reduction in tickets and contributions will be a big problem. Instead of the student section in the endzone being half empty in the second half it will be empty in the second half of the season.

  217. NWA

    June 27, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    No doubt winning in any sport is important. There is a difference though in driving somewhere or making time on a weeknight for 2 hours to watch bad basketball vs. taking a saturday afternoon, tailgating with friends and hanging out while taking in a football game. Also the whole 15 or so home games vs. just 5 or 6 games. We have managed to still have 6,000 or so people show up for basketball even given our recent performance.

    Obviously the more you win the better it is. Just illustrating that there is far more to a football game than just winning. With basketball it is pretty much just a game. I am looking forward to the impact of that on our campus.

  218. Watauga 72

    June 27, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    Happens everywhere. We've had season tix at Oklahoma since 1993. After three seasons of John Blake we moved from the endzone to the 40 yard line due to so many season ticket holders bailing on the program.

  219. Dr. Gonzo

    June 27, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    I don't think one single sub par season would have nearly the adverse effect on attendance as you think, coach. A few years under.500 and we'd see a drop, but fans don't come up JUST to watch the App's win. They come up for this:

    After all, we play a 100% FCS schedule. That erases the possibility of hosting a "high profile" team and drawing a huge crowd for the potential upset. Those are the kind of games that usually set attendance records for FBS schools and here we are toping a good number of those schools hosting lil Elon. You can count the times we've been an underdog in our own house over the last decade on one hand.

  220. App Band

    June 27, 2012 at 12:35 pm


  221. Dr. Gonzo

    June 27, 2012 at 12:37 pm


  222. Watauga 72

    June 27, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    App Band, that's something we can all agree on!

  223. App Band

    June 27, 2012 at 12:48 pm


  224. bcoach

    June 27, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    No DR G I said a few years. I agree all will live through a year or even two. Year three starts to tail off then goes down hill from there. With any luck we will not have to worry about it.

  225. bcoach

    June 27, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    App Band

    I am with you. As much as I don't want to go to Texas I'll be there.

  226. Watauga 72

    June 27, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    If we make it to Texas I'll see you there! Only a 3 hour drive.

  227. AppOrange

    June 27, 2012 at 2:14 pm


    Hows the heat out there, I hear it has been brutal? Should be in Central NC by the weekend. Not looking forward to 105 (that's not the heat index – that's the temp).

  228. Watauga 72

    June 27, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    103 yesterday, same today. 100+ forcasted for the next 10 days. This is a rerun of last summer, and it really makes you miss the mountains.

  229. Watauga 72

    June 27, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    ASU7, part of the reason I was hoping for the Sunbelt was the number of teams within easy driving distance of where I currently reside (Oklahoma). Of course, CUSA may also offer this depending upon final configuration.

  230. APPFanAl

    June 27, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    111 here in the valley of the sun today…..but it's a dry heat….lol…..

  231. little man syndrome

    June 27, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    Ah there it goes. I wet the bed again.

  232. little man syndrome

    June 27, 2012 at 3:32 pm

    Better use the pee pad tonight.

  233. (sigh)

    June 27, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    Catching up on the fun comments today. Man, some of these UNCC guys have no class.

  234. Appnaysayer

    June 27, 2012 at 3:46 pm

    As I've said before I see LOTS of 49er logos around–usually masquerading as lawn gnomes. While we're at it, what does that nickname actually represent? There was a gold rush in NC, but it certainly wasn't in '49 of any century. Is it Highway 49? If so, why not label yourselves Harvard on the Highway? Oh wait, GSU already has that one copyrighted. Too bad.

    As for your FBS aspirations, I personally don't favor FBS for ASU. We've got other fish to fry, like educating our students, advancing knowledge, keeping costs down, that sort of thing. And if given the choice, who in their right mind would choose to live in CLT instead of Boone? Ric Flair? But anyone who considers C-USA anything but a bottom-feeding FBS conference is the one who is delusional. It's the lowest of the low and you got there for one reason only–they need media exposure. Enjoy the big time. Tuesday nights on ESPN…brought to you by the Hair Club for Men.

  235. Little man syndrome

    June 27, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    Oops, forgot about the electric blanket. Usually hjust have rubber sheets. Will take a while to get my hair straight again

  236. NWA

    June 27, 2012 at 5:16 pm


    The FIRST gold rush in the nation was outside of Charlotte (,_North_Carolina). We were known as the owls for awhile due to our humble start funded under the GI Bill and the night classes offered. Once that funding ran out the school was going to close, but Bonnie Cone lead the charge to keep the school open and eventually into the UNC system. It was said that she had the pioneering spirit of a miner. So there are two reasons.

    I am not taking any shots at Boone – everyone has what they like. I grew up in a small town and the last thing I wanted in college and now is to live in a small town like Boone. Been there, done that. Not for me.

    As for CUSA we know it isn't a power conference league, but we also know that our goal of being back with like schools on Cinci, Memphis and others is only possible by taking this step first. A solid plan for the future.

  237. Little man syndrome

    June 27, 2012 at 5:28 pm

    Hey y'all, i'm back! Just wanted to tell you division 3 losers howngreat it is to be a real football powerhouse. I'm going down to school tomorrow to be first in line for season tickets this year….. Losers! We're gonna dominate you this year…. When do we play?

    What's that, momma? Get off your computer?

    Sorry, gotta go. My new uncle is here. This is great, he's the 12th new uncle who's stayed with us this week!

    I'll be back tomorrow with an update on how an FBS football program starts the season undefeated!

  238. human being

    June 27, 2012 at 5:55 pm

    Here is what has to happen for Conf-USA, MWC, MAC, and SB and would be lots of fun. (AFTER BCS ANNOUNCEMENT)

    1) Each conference needs to go to 14.

    2) Each Conference needs two divisions and plays the first 6 games in your division – Tight Geographic fit for each Division with great rivalries.

    3) Week 7 – Cross division 1 vs. 1, 2 vs. 2, 3 vs. 3, 4 vs. 4, 5 vs. 5, 6 vs. 6. Highest average attendance in first 6 games gets home game.

    4) Week 8 needs to be 1 vs. 1, 2 vs. 2 and so on down to 14 vs. 14 of Conf-USA vs. MWC and MAC vs. SB

    5) Week 9 needs to be Conf-USA vs. Mac and SB vs. MWC 1 vs. 1 and down to 14 vs. 14

    6) Week 10 needs to be Conf-USA vs. SB and MAC vs. MWC

    With the new playoff picture, this is the only way…ANY…. of these mid majors would have a shot. It would naturally lift the strength of schedule for the top teams of each conference.

    THE DIVISION WINNER AND THE CONFERENCE CHAMP OF ALL 4 CONFERENCES WOULD HAVE A SHOT AT GETTING IN. They would probably need to win all three of week 8,9,10.

    These four conferences need to go to this now and I think they would get a great TV deal for the weeks 7,8,9,10.

    I also think App State would finally get an invite and we could be in a division with close rivalries and not hurt our chances at a national championship.

    I HOPE THIS HAPPENS…IT WOULD BE SO EASY AND CHEAP FOR TRAVEL. You would only have one or two long trips a year. And really teams 7 – 14 after the first 7 weeks could just play cross divisional games because they would be out of the National championship game at that point and cut out long trips for the teams that don't need to increase their strength of schedule.








    Georgia Southern

    Georgia State



    Jacksonville State

    southern Miss


    It would still be a playoff without all the extra weeks and no problem scheduling you could still have a first week for a rivalry game.

  239. Watauga 72

    June 27, 2012 at 6:08 pm

    OMG, my head is spinning after trying to follow your scenario. Where did you find that? Had a vision like that once but it turned out to be an LSD flashback.

  240. FishInFlorida

    June 27, 2012 at 6:26 pm

    i know i've been gone three b-ball seasons, but i'm fairly certain that the crowds have not been 6k… i was at every home game for a lot of years (minus just a tiny few) and attendance was half that on a good night… only time the place was really full was when HWCNBN brought the Heels to the house, and for Stephan Curry games… parking half a mile away and walking in 15 degrees with 30mph wind and 5 degree windchill on a school/weeknight is another reason why the crowds are small…

  241. human being

    June 27, 2012 at 6:52 pm

    Watauga 72…I made it up.

    The four bottom conferences are going to have to get creative to have a shot at the strength of schedule necessary to get in the big bowls. I think App is going to have a hard time getting these big pay games because with the new system strength of schedule matters. ECU is going to need to play the biggest competition it can find and i don't think they will be playing any FCS schools going forward.

  242. MIDWEST

    June 27, 2012 at 6:56 pm

    The owls…as in who? Who?

  243. NK

    June 27, 2012 at 7:48 pm


    I think that was one of the UNCC folks that posted about the 6,000 fans.

  244. Amy

    June 28, 2012 at 1:17 am

    Put an end to the madness. Fire Cobb and retire Peacock.

  245. Gwaltineer

    June 28, 2012 at 2:59 am

    I do not recall an offseason with this little discussion on how the actually football team will perform in a long time.

  246. Appnaysayer

    June 28, 2012 at 4:35 am

    The NC gold rush (actually it wasn't a rush; the state was so agrarian and so backward that the guy whose son found the first nugget–which weighed something like 17 pounds–first used it as a doorstop and then sold it for $3.50; must have been a UNCC alum) certainly wasn't in 49. 49ers is a term associated with the California gold rush as in 1849. And if you'd look at something besides wikipedia, you would note that there are several claims as to the first discoveries of gold on the East Coast. NC is only one.

    Get a nickname that makes sense. Let me see if I can help: Charlotte Shysters (insurance/banking), Charlotte Traffic (self-explanatory), Charlotte Commuters, The McMansions, The Selfsame Suburbs, Drive-By Shooters (crime rate, Rae Carruth); Wachovia's Wannabes, The Full Nelsons/Body Slams, Costco's Creditors, The Ozone Alerts, The Outer Beltways, The Billy Graham Crusaders, Question Mark and the Identity Crisis (hate to steal from a good 60s band, though)….we could go on, but this should give you a start. See what the business school graduates think.

  247. AppWyo

    June 28, 2012 at 5:09 am

    I think this may be an attempt by UNCC to start a rivalry with App where none existed before. So we can look back and say that the rivalry between App and Charlotte begain on

  248. bcoach

    June 28, 2012 at 5:27 am

    Wow have they pulled the wool over so many eyes. There is no playoff in FBS. What they have created is a 4 team tournament. Now they will vote for 4 teams instead of 2. Not much different. The university presidents involved should run for congress as they operate just about the same way. There still is no national championship in fbs football. They really believe that college football fans are gullible and that is because they are.

  249. App Band

    June 28, 2012 at 5:35 am

    Hey, Fish! hAPPy Birthday, Buddy!

  250. NWA

    June 28, 2012 at 5:37 am

    Thanks Appnaysayer – I have been nothing but cordial on this board. I have taken no shots at Boone or ASU, in fact I have been pretty supportive. Thanks for standing out as a shining beacon of App fandom, you represent your school and fanbase so well.

    Someone asked why we were the 49ers. I explained why. Pretty simple.

  251. Old Timer 49er

    June 28, 2012 at 5:57 am

    Please, can't everyone just get along. You youngsters from both UNCC and App State could show a little more class. I know I'm just an old guy on a young guy message board, but civility is still a good thing to have. The 49er simply comes from the year that Bonnie Cone helped to save the school from being shut down. 1949. Therefore…..49ers.

  252. Dr. Gonzo

    June 28, 2012 at 6:12 am


    Don't be so quick to scold nay when your brood is responsible for all this trash talk in the first place. For any UNCC fan to question any other fan's class is a joke. Do you read what your fans say on this or any other message board!? Don't throw stones from a glass house.

  253. NWA

    June 28, 2012 at 6:28 am

    I have read plenty from both sides – to each their own. If he wanted to throw stones at them then fine. I have purposely stayed above the fray and tried to have civil discourse. I am interested in what happens to App. Blast away at those who have talked trash to you on your board. I would like to think though that your fanbase would have greater respect for opposing fans who have engaged your school and fanbase with respect.

    Not every Charlotte fan is trolling this board.

  254. Dr. Gonzo

    June 28, 2012 at 6:39 am

    I do appreciate your civility and please note that I have not attacked you as I've attacked those trolling (and your school in the process, sorry 'bout it). But you can't really fault Nay for his venomous comments when we've all endured relentless trolling from UNCC fans for so long.

    If you're that upset about it, blame your fellow niner fans. You may be a rare ray of light, but you know as well as I do that UNCC has a very disproportionate amount of very ignorant fans. Ignorance yields inflated self-perceptions and classless behavior.

    If you really have such a problem with this type of classless trash talk, start at the source, go to and talk some sense to that mongoloid fanbase of yours.

    The UNCC fanbase is very small, but you've already developed quite the reputation as one of the most classless. It's a slippery slop. I'm that I'm part of a large fanbase, but more importantly, a dignified fanbase.

  255. MadDoctor

    June 28, 2012 at 6:39 am

    Old timer. The thing is, that this is OUR message board. We come here to share information, vent, etc… Especially during this time of anxiety and confusion surrounding, we find it a little aggravating when people.from another school have nothing better to do than to come onto our forum to make little sarcastic, snide comments, stir up crap, and then run back to the safety of their own message boards. As intelligent fans, we welcome debate and discourse, but that"s not what your fans are bringing. So, inevitably we defend our school and program from the childish attacks from those who intrude into our forum.

    The solution is clear. Unless you can be respectful, keep to your own message boards. Otherwise, you come across as envious, obsessive, immature, and just plain annoying.

  256. Dr. Gonzo

    June 28, 2012 at 6:42 am

    I'm glad that*

  257. Old Timer 49er

    June 28, 2012 at 7:17 am

    It is hard to remember all of the entries on the board, but I come here as a UNCC and App State fan, not to be critical. It is certainly App States board, and I respect that. ALL WHO COME TO IT SHOULD!!! I just wish for more civility in discourse in our society. I will always be pulling for the 49ers and Mountaineers unless they are playing each other. Dr. Gonzo, I am the one you thanked yesterday for my comments regarding my appreciation for both schools (my son is a graduate of App) and I certainly do not intend to insult anyone. I just wish everyone, regardless of their allegiance, regardless of the message board, to be respectful. You have been to me. I thank you and I did not intend malice. For my money, UNCC fans should be thankful of where we are heading and should in no way be rude!!! We are not in CUSA because of what we have done, but due to circumstances beyond our control. We should be supportive of what App State deserves. I want App in CUSA and believe it will happen at some point. App State is to valuable to be left on the sidelines and I believe time and circumstance will bear that out. GO NINERS!!!! GO MOUNTAINEERS!!!!

  258. Appnaysayer

    June 28, 2012 at 7:35 am

    I've seen less saccharin in a diet Coke. Man up or go back to Levittown.

  259. Appthunder90

    June 28, 2012 at 8:37 am

    Of the Charlotte posters who frequent this board NWA and Old Timer 49er have been the most respectful. Occasionally (as in once a week or so) the poster known as 49er has been civil as well. It's the others that are trolling. I have no problem with the trolling as it spurs rivalry, but it needs to be good-natured trash talk rather than what we have been seeing. It would be good for all involved for Appalachian, ECU, and UNCC to be in the same conference. Sans ecu it would still be extremely preferable with odu. I have come to hate uncc as a result of the trash posted on here as I hate Georgia southern. But damned if I don't love playing Georgia southern. A love-hate rivalry is one of the deepest an strongest. Both sides of this have showed their butts and I am referring to Appalachian as well. I still have faith that we will make fbs and perhaps we can put them in their place on the field. It's always great to be a mountaineer.

    To gwaltineer:

    My observations and experience through communications with those deeply connected to the team yield a lot of satisfaction with where this team is at present, with good development as the season goes on. I will be on the sidelines of a practice sometime in August and will be able to post in more detail. Our running game looks very good and will complement JJs arm very well.

  260. 49ers

    June 28, 2012 at 9:07 am


    I agree I talk a lot of sh*t but I would love for App to join C-USA it would be great for us, ECU, and Marshall all good regional rivalries

  261. Watauga 72

    June 28, 2012 at 9:43 am

    49ers, I don't believe that Appthunder's comments were directed at you should you need to follow your own advice and STFU!

    Just kidding with you!

  262. Appnaysayer

    June 28, 2012 at 10:01 am

    I would not like to see us in the same conference with ECU and UNCC for the simple reason that we are better academically than either one. Let's remember that until just a few years ago, ECU in fact had open admissions. And we're light years ahead of most of the Sun Belt schools.

    I think we fit nicely in the CAA with the James Madisons, W&Ms, Delawares of the world. I'd rather play those teams on a regular basis, participate in a real playoff, keep the scandals to a minimum, and student athletic fees where they are now. Doesn't seem like a bad deal at all. But then, I don't have my ego invested in FBS. Speaking of which, do you think Midwest has jumped off a bridge after the SCOTUS ruling today?

  263. 49ers

    June 28, 2012 at 10:10 am

    I was trying to be nice but ok

  264. 49ers

    June 28, 2012 at 10:13 am

    If the SB and C-USA isn't good enough academically which FBS conference would you like to be in Appnaysayer

  265. Appnaysayer

    June 28, 2012 at 10:26 am

    Is this guy daft or did he not learn to read at UNCC? Do they not have remedial classes? I do not support a move by ASU to FBS. Period. Never have; never will. It's a giant waste of resources to assuage some outsized egos and it will inevitably drive up the cost of going to the university. Same is true for UNCC or others making the jump–which might as well be off a bridge.

  266. NWA

    June 28, 2012 at 10:28 am

    App is a fine school and Charlotte is a fine school. It is harder to get into App, Charlotte offers more research – they both have positives and would be fine in a league together. I suspect if App had the room to expand at the rate that Charlotte is then you wouldn't be as selective. There is power in numbers and there is power in being more dofficult to enter. Doesn't change the fact that both insitutions turn out high quality graduates.

    If my daughter were to choose to attend App I could support that. I will forbid her from attending Chapel Hill – I plan on telling her only whores go to Carolina.

    Now ECU…. don't get me started with them 🙂

  267. AppWyo

    June 28, 2012 at 10:32 am

    NWA sounds like a Carolina girl broke your heart too.

  268. NWA

    June 28, 2012 at 10:40 am

    Actually it was a NC State girl back in the day. The hatred I have for Chapel Hill is the same hatred ALL schools that have to share the system with Chapel Hill should have.

  269. 49ers

    June 28, 2012 at 10:45 am


    I have never had "daft" is that a drug or what?

  270. Joe

    June 28, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    49ers.. you left the door wide open on this one..

    There are these really cool things called dictionaries that tell you the definition of words.. do they not have those in Concord?!

  271. Big Dave

    June 28, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    I'm an App grad. My daughter was smart enough to graduate from Chapel Hill and get her MA. Your daughter should be that lucky and she would be less likely to end up with round heels…..

    I don't think being in a conference with schools like UNC-C that are academically inferior to ASU is a bad thing…..Just ask Davidson and Furman!

    When are you guys going to quit getting in a pissing contest with some idiot(s) from a school that had never played a down and is obviously envious of our successes? You are dumbing down guys.

    I G N O R E the I G N O R A N T.

  272. 49ers

    June 28, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    The pissing contest will end when ASU makes the jump to FBS. So…………not for a while

  273. amy

    June 28, 2012 at 1:10 pm

    Please fire Cobb and his wife. They got to go:…… Peacock, its been great but since your heart attack, its time for you to retire.

  274. AppWyo

    June 28, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    amy, that's just mean.

  275. JMcCray

    June 28, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    biting tongue. Must hold snark.

  276. Amy

    June 28, 2012 at 4:05 pm

    Cobb was not fired today and Peacock did not retire.

    The chant of BCS at will hopefully move them out the door.

  277. Watauga 72

    June 28, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    May end before you idiots field a team!

  278. Watauga 72

    June 28, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    The concrd grapes?

  279. bcoach

    June 28, 2012 at 5:38 pm


    Sober up. You are going to hurt yourself.

  280. NWA

    June 29, 2012 at 5:17 am

    I will follow that up with a statement that I just saw an add for the UNC business school on the home page. How does that make you feel? I didn't even go to App and that pisses me off. I took a screen shot of it for anyone who wants to see it.


    June 29, 2012 at 7:28 am

    NWA…. As a graduate of ASU with a business degree why would I be upset that UNC wants to try and recruit from App's alumni base for their MBA program?

  282. Watauga 72

    June 29, 2012 at 7:33 am

    As long as they're paying someone connected with ASU for the ad, bring it on.

  283. NWA

    June 29, 2012 at 7:42 am

    "NWA…. As a graduate of ASU with a business degree why would I be upset that UNC wants to try and recruit from App’s alumni base for their MBA program?"

    Oh I don't know – maybe because App offers one? My God man have some pride in your school! At least enough not to advertise for Chapel Hill on your own pages! If I logged into any Charlotte site and saw an add for any Chapel Hill crap I would blow my lid – even more so if it is something that we offer!

  284. NWA

    June 29, 2012 at 9:12 am

    “I’m an App grad. My daughter was smart enough to graduate from Chapel Hill and get her MA. Your daughter should be that lucky”

    While Chapel Hill’s academic rep is quite stellar, their heavy hand has held back all of the other state schools. The BOG is controlled by them, the majority of our elected officials who determine funding are Chapel Hill grads, the reason a diploma from App, Charlotte, UNCW and others doesn’t mean more is because Chapel Hill keeps it that way. UNCA wanted a pharmacy school – so Chapel Hill put a branch of theirs there. Charlotte wants a medical program – so Chapel Hill opened a branch of theirs in Charlotte. They actively fought our football push, they were highly upset when we were in CUSA the first time, I suspect they were non to pleased with App’s win over Michigan, they take the majority of funding leaving the rest of us with scraps and having to fight to try to find ways to retain top professors and attract new ones, all of this while Chapel Hill has the most wealthy donor base in the state. Giving them both a high level of public and private funding.

    UNC-Chapel Hill has approximately 11 board members, N.C. State has four, ECU and Appalachian State each have three, UNC-Greensboro, NC Central, UNC-Pembroke, NC A&T and Fayetteville State each have one and the remaining schools have no such representative. This means that schools like Western Carolina, Charlotte and UNC-Wilmington have no one advocating for their interests on the board.

    This equates to Chapel Hill being able to maintain their hold on all state funding. Why anyone who goes to a school other than Chapel Hill or NC State would choose to root for those schools, like those schools or even be indifferent to them is beyond me. Chapel Hill should be hated with venom by all of us.

  285. AppWyo

    June 29, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    12-21-12 is my Birthday.

  286. Amy

    July 2, 2012 at 2:55 am

    Are we FBS yet?

  287. Dr. Gonzo

    July 2, 2012 at 5:58 am

    Amy, for accuracy's sake, please refrain from referring to ASU as "we."

    You're nothing but a conspiracy theorist with a vendetta against ASU athletics. Be gone.

  288. Amy

    July 2, 2012 at 8:22 am

    I will take it as NO from prick gonzo.

    Just one question gonzo, what vendetta?

  289. bcoach

    July 2, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    Dr G

    You shouldn't mess with Amy when she is off her meds

  290. JMcCray

    July 2, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    could it be that there is another person posting comments with the same name as the screaming banshee of the protestors?

  291. Amy

    July 2, 2012 at 5:11 pm

    You guys are terrible.

  292. AppWyo

    July 3, 2012 at 12:40 am

    You might be right with amy, AMY, Amy's inconsistent posting name.

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