Peers? – “One slide listed 21 schools to be considered as “possible additions/replacements” – Idaho, La. Tech, New Mexico St., San Jose St., Texas St., Utah St., UT-San Antonio, App State, Ga Southern, Georgia St., Jacksonville St., James Madison, Liberty, UNCC, Old Dominion, Belmont, CofC, Florida Gulf Coast, North Florida, St. Louis and Tex.-Arlington.”
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That's quite a large list. 'cee and odu?
Make sure you read the article or this can seem mis-leading.
They are only talking about what could have been, mainly we were an option when they were thinking of expanding, which is now no more.
Yeah we got a SB invite a while back
I am glad that we haven't taken the invite to the Sun Belt. The Sunbelt is basicaly a Div. I-AA conference.
I read this earlier this am on the MMB. Freeman is correct, this Appfan post is pretty misleading. Benson says they're done expanding at this time and the expert above is the only mention of ASU at all.
49,
There is no evidence that UNCc received an invite, just message board speculation. If that's all you need to make statements like that, I'm confident saying ASU received the same interest from Benson and Cobb balked on an invite since CUSA is the only conference the board of trustees approved in light of a study saying the SBC couldn't generate enough revenue to justify the move.
Not to say I agree with that decision (if that is in fact what happened, still speculation on my part since 49er opened a pandora's box of un-substantiation). I think with recent additions as well as the possibility of more additions that would suit us, the SBC is a much better fit for ASU than CUSA. Plus, if the SBC added strong programs like App and GaSo, the SBC will be a stronger league than CUSA very soon since they've lost all their power houses sans ECU and added start up's that are going to take a decade to be even remotely competitive.
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7879…
Here you go from the mighty ESPN
I'm pretty sure Andy Katz isn't just somne message board poster
Looks like Dr Gonzo will have CROW for lunch! How would you like that prepared, Doc?
I take it fried with a jar of moonshine.
Well yes it appears I missed that announcement. Obviously they had a CUSA invite in hand at the time or they would have accepted. Not too surprising given the market location trend of late.
We do not need the "Sorry Belt."
Not related to this thread but… Total shot in the dark here but are there any season ticket holders that would be willing to help me with some tix to the ECU game? Trying to get them through the ASU office on 8/7 is a crap shoot and they are already $70 a piece on Stubhub… I'm looking for 4 if possible. My buddy and I (both ASU class of '02) are wanting to take our wives (mine is an ECU grad).
If anyone can and is willing to help, my email is dgb1179@yahoo.com and we can work out payment/shipping arrangements.
Thanks in advance!
What evidence is there that the Sun Belt extended an invitation to ASU?
Such a waste of time. Cannot wait until practice begins for the upcoming season. All these 'repeated' speculation reports/rumors accomplish nothing new.
There isn't any, Carbine. Where did anyone say there was?
Gonzo,
People have been saying it on this blog for months. With no evidence, only hope.
Pencil me in as a "hoper." We were definitely in talks with the Sunbelt, but we never received an invite. My speculative monologue this morning was hypothetical.
If we can't do any better than the sunbelt or Cusa stay where we are ,the MAC is stronger than either one
Snaggy-Might have 2 tickets for the East Carolina game. Will not know until August.
49er,
I guess we will just get used to reading your posts on here for a while as your team is still non-existent. How fun it would be to see the Apps play your mighty football 49ers. I seriously doubt you guys would have the balls to schedule us if we are still FCS in 2015 when you guys start playing ball!
49er,
I just did a little web browsing and checked out your 2013 schedule. It made me laugh out loud. Cupcake central baby! Is that schedule even real now that you guys are new members in the SEC!
App-Forever,
Thanks for the reply. I'll keep my fingers crossed. I have feelers out with a few others as well but am exhausting all my options. Already got my hotel booked, just need to secure the tickets. I definitely do not want to miss this game!
All I Can really say to that is sorry you didn't make the FBS cut…
49ers I doubt you will ever get to play, let alone beat, Michigan…
Anyone want to take bets on how many seasons it will take Charlotte to match ASU's total wins over FBS/Division I-A opponents?
On second thought, never mind. I'm 53 already; it's highly unlikely I'll live to see that happen.
Belmont?? Both of their fans must be really excited to see their school on that list.
Forget the sunbelch and cusa. MAC is a football conference.
Charlotte will be playing the 'Whee though in 2014. Do you think that UNCC will ever agree to play App. Doubt it. Instead they opt to play Chowan and UNC Pembroke. Didn't know that they even had teams.
To be a "Real" college you need to have a football team.
Making fun of a school that beat us to the FBS punch makes you look like a UNC bball fan…bragging about past titles….ignorant. When uncc does start their program they will receive better recruits than App, more television exposure, and play better teams. No need to sound like a hater. Why not just focus on what asu has to offer?
Really you are taking shots at our first two seasons' schedules? Most of you have no clue how to go about building a team. You can't just start off playing top tier FCS programs. We are going to be depending on some walk ons, a not full roster and plenty of other challenges. It is very normal to build your initial two seasons with lower teams to help build your program. Since most of you just showed up on campus and were gifted with a FCS top caliber team I am not surprised that you don't understand putting in some effort at the bottom floor. Just because we are taking an elevator to FBS doesn't mean we don't still have to start at the bottom.
As for scheduling App – why would we do that in our first two years? We are still getting our legs under us. Even if we did schedule you it would have had to have been a home and home and most of you refuse to come to Charlotte. After that we go FBS and I don't see us traveling to an FCS stadium, not a shot – just the truth. FBS teams rarely play away at FCS locations. I doubt App would sign a deal to only play us in Charlotte.
App and Charlotte not playing has far more to do with timing, logistics and money. If and when we are on equal footing – both teams FBS – then I am sure a deal can be made.
Then have you and your UNC-Concord buddies stop touting how you guys are already better than us without even playing one down of football.
Not once have I said our team is better than App – hell we aren't even practicing yet. Now do I think we could be better than App in year 4? Sure I do. Listen we all view our teams through our own lens. Somewhere there is an Ole' Miss fan that thinks they can win the SEC. We have an ECU poster that comes on our board talking about ECU basketball – BASKETBALL!
I can acknowledge that in our first two years App would most likely beat us – if we played it would be a huge battle to win. That is understanable given that you kind of have an advantage over us – you know with that whole you already have a team thing. Now year 3 I think we could probably give you a game and by year 4 we would be getting FBS talent and I think we could porbably beat you.
We aren't going to suddenly crap out a title team our first season. To think so is foolish. App wouldn't beat Michigan every year – to think so is foolish. That doesn't stop us as fans from thinking that way from time to time.
Regardless of conference affiliation, UNCC would be hard pressed to beat a team of our stature by year 4.
Not saying it's impossible. Anything can happen over 4 years. Our program could go down the $hitter, who knows. But realistically, it would be a long shot for almost a decade, even if we were FCS (not likely). C-USA level recruits are not as superior as you think and App State is not your average FCS football team. Look at the 09 App/ECU game.
You're really underestimating how bad your team is going to be. You seem like a reasonable guy, especially for a UNCC fan, but even you are having trouble objectively looking at this. No offense, but this is one of the reasons I firmly believe that UNCC football is destined to fail. No college atmosphere yields transient alumni. Transient alumni that have unrealistic expectations=UNCC is one or two loses away from having 13 fans in the stands. It's just a matter of time.
If they add Jerry Falwell's Crazy Jesus School before us I'm going to be PO'd
Oh I know it is an uphill battle. I also though think we will do ok. I look at the recruiting we managed without a stadium and without a conference which was far better than I expected. I think we will surprise some folks. As for beating you guys in year 4 – what kind of fan would I be if I said I think we won't? Like I said we all have a lens we look through.
As for people in the stands – our FSL holders will show up no matter what, spent too much $ not to. Our students will show up because well they love to party (keep in mind by then we will have 26-28k of them). I know you are going to say something about noncollege feel and stuff, but out of 27K students I promise you at least 7k will show up for a free college football game. Now the outside fringe in Charlotte – those are the ones that will be tied to the Ws and Ls. Luckily between the FSL holders, students and the mandatory CUSA allotment that stadium is already full. If we were really that worried about Ws and Ls would wouldn't be getting 6k people to watch our bad basketball team play. I also think you under estimate the power of football in changing the atmosphere on a campus.
It is going to be a fun ride for sure.
"I look at the recruiting we managed without a stadium and without a conference which was far better than I expected. "
Oh you poor, poor man. You have been duped by your school's own desperate and disingenuous marketing efforts. Are you not familiar with the great UNCC Rivals Stars flub of 2012?
Just before signing day this spring, UNCC had all the commitments they were going to have like most schools. It was a modest group by our standards, but for a start up it wasn't too bad. I believe you had one 3 star a couple of 2 stars and 5 or so one stars. The rest were not rated. All -in-all, not bad at all.
The following day, (Signing Day) the same commitments signed of course. A few hours later, every single UNCC signee magically had 3 stars on Rivals. The same exact players, most of whom had none just hours before.
Indeed, in order to generate much needed hype (you were struggling to sell tickets) and to placate an ignorant fanbase, your rival's rep added stars to the same players as soon as they signed with Charlotte. He knew that:
A) UNCC fans are very ignorant and would likely put a lot of stock into something like rival's stars
B) The fan base needs CONSTANT validation to feel relevant
C) Anything less than a BCS level recruiting class, while completely unrealistic, would be unacceptable to a fan base whose ignorance is matched only by its inflated self perception.
Needless to say, UNCC message boarders immediately went crazy on certain forums, bragging and chest beating about their "star studded" recruiting class ect. It was a laughing stock.
NWA,
I do think you speak with some logic. Obviously winning breeds winning, and winning will put people in the seats and then you have those that will come no matter what.
I don't hate UNCC cause they got picked to go straight to FBS, but I do despise the fans that come on here and throw it in our face like they have achieved something. I know ASU will be FBS within in the next few years because our administration and Fans have made that one of our biggest goals.
I do hope when we get there we can create a rival game with UNCC, kind of like the years we would play Wake Forest. That was a great game because our two schools are so close in proximity like UNCC is. I just foresee a wonderful rivalry there.
Gonzo, I am aware of the rating fiasco. My main point was I thought we would struggle finding interest in our first class. No games, practice for a solid year, no conference, etc. What we saw was that that was not a challenge in getting players. Now level of those players? We can discuss that, but it wasn't really my point.
I really didn't think we would see much recruiting success until this next class anyway. I was impressed at what we were able to accomplish with so many unknowns.
My sense of achievement is for more aligned with the fact that 10 years ago football at Charlotte was just a dream and we stand on the edge of that team coming into reality. The fact that we are going FBS so quickly is just a bonus. That is also part of the reason why so many Charlotte fans are arrogant. During our push for football all we heard was why we couldn't, money, fans, players – it went on and on. The ONLY people that supported our football was us. We found no encouragement or support from other schools or fanbases. So when people now tell us how we won't win, or we won't be able to land better players it falls on deaf ears. Some of it may be true, some of it not – but if we had listened to those voices in 2006 when we as alumni started this thing we wouldn't be where we are today.
No one expected App to beat Michigan – the deck was stacked against you but you went and did it. If you had listened to everyone that said you couldn't then you never would have. Belief is a powerful tool and because you believe it colors how you view everything. We believe.
Gonzo – what I want to know is in 5 years when Charlotte football in CUSA is a huge success will you admit you were wrong?
I thought Cam Newton was going to be a huge bust. I was convinced that he would be awful. I was wrong – WAY wrong and I admit it.
If in 5 years our team is awful (as on 1-2 wins a year) and our stands are empty I will come back and admit I was wrong.
I wasn't wrong about us getting a team, I wasn't wrong about our on campus stadium, I wasn't wrong about our students supporting this, I wasn't wrong about the impact it is already having on our enrollment. If I am wrong here I will come back and admit it.
No offense to any UNCC fans on this site but seriously, we need to stop talking about UNCC and football. This is an App St blog site and I could care less about a team that won't be FBS until 2015.
While I think their could be a nice rivarly between App and UNCC, it is irrelevant until 2015 or later so who cares.
I saw that the Yosef club brought in $2.7 million this past year. Good to see an 8% increase from the previous year in a bad economy.
Does anyone have any insight or news on the football team so far this year?
$2.7 is great for App. I hope the money is used to fully fund all sports that way alumni of other sports will donate which will only help increase donations. If everybody gives App St wins!
I feel bad for UNCC. Every time I've visited that vast wasteland in Harrisburg known as their campus it is peculiarly devoid of life and personality just like the rest of the school. I hope the football team helps them out, but a 15,000 seat stadium is not going to be enough to correct their problems, IMO. Any word on when further expansion will take place?
Personally I'd like to foster a rivalry with them since we've already got them beat academically and have stronger support in charlotte. I work in the South Park area and get lots of warm, fuzzy feelings from all the App bumper stickers I see while on the way. I saw 4 within a couple of miles of work yesterday!
Once Charlotte gets college football, don't kid yourself, Charlotte will be a major contender in less than 10 years. It's the biggest MSA in the state and people will go there to play foot ball and it won't be the suitcase college it is now. Think about how football changed in Boone when game time changed from 1:00 to 3:30. I think Charlotte has the potential to be the top Football power in the state. People will go strait from the local high schools right to UNCC. The people will go to see their games just because of the convience. Think about how much Campbell changed when they got football. Unless you knew someone that went to Campbell you never heard of the school. Now everyone knows about Campbell.
*convenience
Here's a serious question – if the WAC folds entirely or just folds football, does that make easier the possibility for another conference (CAA for example) to move up?
I realize you'd still probably have 120 FBS teams as Idaho and NMSU probably move somewhere else, but wonder if NCAA would be more likely to approve since another conference fell apart?
I'm in South Carolina and have never heard of Campbell other than the soup. They make good soup but I did not know they had a football team
Tnanks AIG for proving what I keep saying. Most ASU fans only care about football:
http://www.goasu.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=2…
I understand that they're supposed to be the largest university by 2020, but that does not guarantee football prowess or good fanship. Look at the average CUSA attendance compared to school size.
What I don't understand are your comments about the illustriousness of the campbell camels. Was that sarcasm? That's what I was getting at though: the forty giners could turn out a lot like campbell and their football team.
I understand that they’re supposed to be the largest university by 2020, but that does not guarantee football prowess or good fanship.
I don't think it guarantees anything – but it sure makes things easier, our funding model is easier with that many students, our alumni base will grow at a higher rate due to that enrollment, just the law of averages say that the more people you have the more will want to come to games.
I don't think size means we will be successful, it just means its an easier path.
The only thing adding that many students guarantees is even more piss-poor admission standards than they currently have. They're trying to shake the "glorified community college" feel by getting football and you're doing the exact opposite just to finance it.
Could we have a little less uncc bashing on here? It makes us look like terrible, arrogant fans with nothing better to talk about. I come here to read about athletics, not disgruntled fans' opinions of uncc.
appland,
It must be the heat… We all know that in North Carolina the only conference that matters is the ACC. Until Appalachian is in the ACC or the same conference as Duke, Wake, NC State or Chapel Hill we will be a second tier sports school.
Compared to the SEC, the ACC is second-tier sports conference.
I like the Charlotte campus and I'm envious of their invite and i don't understand how an idiot head of a mid major conference can't see the possibilities of a UNCC ASU game and throw in a little ECU from time to time. There is tremendous potential and both schools win at the expense of the ACC. the potential of Charlotte is unlimited and in 1o years the will be like a USF or a UCF or Cincinnatti…….. We are just going to work a little harder to help people see the vision in the hills.
Maybe CUSA are like some people that attend App for a semester or two and find they just can't handle college in Boone. I have yet to meet anyone that hated Appalachian that graduated from ASU. If you don't like it in Boone, you go somewhere else.
Big Dave I agree with you 100%. I have done my best to stay above the fray. I think App has a ton of positives, your path to FBS is just a little tougher. What got us there was school size, market and past conference afiliation. Our major negative to overcome was obviously being a new football program and the unknown. I think App has to do a better job on selling who they are. The things you have to overcome are location, size and overall athletic department interest and investment. All of which are doable.
Because I respect App as a school I refrain from many of the cheap shots that have been leveled at Charlotte, not that that has helped from some of the folks here. Anything we (App, ECU, Charlotte) can do to lessen the impact of the ACC in this state we need to do. I might not be App's #1 fan but you can bet your ass that I would rather see App succeed than Chapel Hill. Unfortunately I don't think that feeling goes the other way.
I'd rather see UNCc do well than the Holes. Solidarity. 16 institutions obeying the graduates of just one.
"The things you have to overcome are location, size and overall athletic department interest and investment. All of which are doable."
Location: Correct. The single greatest hurtle.
Size: Eh, not necessarily. We are about the same size as UNC (as an undergraduate institution). Our size makes us way more selective which is an advantage. The bigger disadvantage within this is that we have a lower endowment than a UNCC type as well as a smaller pool of potential alumni giving. I'd take our situation here over UNCC's though. You might get more money letting in every applicant, but you are KILLING your school's academic standing.
Overall athletic department interest: Now that's just silly. First of all, nothing besides football interest matters to a school like App in realignment. We exemplify this prerequisite and if it were the sole prerequisite, we'd be the first school invited.
Investment: You have a solid point here. The Yosef club donors:Graduates ratio isn't as strong as I would like. I think it's just over 10%. This is partly due to our extremely young alumni pool. The average age of alumni is somewhere around 34? That is incredibly low. Not to mention, 05, 06, 07 ect bred a LARGE group of super fans. These people were students during these years, are newly removed from college and aren't financially ready to shovel out $1,000 to Yosef every year. With the right marketing, the economy improving and the natural professional progression of our most passionate fan group, I'd say we will be sitting pretty in the relatively near future.
I am a graduate of neither UNC Charlotte or ASU. I graduated from another UNC System school, but I can't stay out of this any longer. Each of these 2 schools has strengths and weaknesses, but I feel like Charlotte has been grossly mis-represented by some on this board and others (mainly by Gonzo on numerous board). When I was in school a few years ago, I had friends at both schools and therefore have spent time (weekends and games)at both. I have read dozens of comments from Gonzo claiming Charlotte has no "college feel" and other derogatory comments about their campus. I'm sorry, but they are just not true. In fact, Charlotte has a beautiful campus, more so than App or my alma mater actually. Now, if you're talking about areas surrounding each campus then yes, App's surrounding areas are of course more scenic, but ON-CAMPUS, Charlotte is much more attractive.As for campus "activities" Charlotte is atleast as much fun as App. The only advantage App has in that regard is Saturday afternoons in the fall when they have a home game and that advantage may be gone in 2013.
Sorry, I dont have a dog in this fight but I can't stand to continually read falsehoods.
^ UNCC student
As far as UNCC having a more attractive campus, you are out of your mind! The reason I chose App over UNCC was because 1) Apps business school was on the rise and rated better in several publications and 2) the campus was much nicer! When I toured Charlotte, I felt like I was in the middle of a concrete dump. Now, I may not have seen the whole campus, but usually tours take you on the most visually appealing part of the campus. If that was the most appealing part, then Charlotte is no where close to as pretty of a campus as App.
Joe, you could not be more wrong. I was on the Charlotte campus less than 1 year ago and on App's about 2 years ago. Charlotte's is MUCH nicer. Sorry, but you obviously haven't been on their campus lately.
Joe, google is your friend.
"The only advantage App has in that regard is Saturday afternoons in the fall when they have a home game and that advantage may be gone in 2013."
Wow Ididn't realize UNCc had skiing, snowboarding, hiking, Waterholes/falls, ect.
Let's not pretend that the University of Chapel Hill at Charlotte has a hint of a college experience. A UNCC experience is a CPCC experience. You can have fun, sure, but you have to drive across town to do so. The place is desolate, crime ridden and surrounded exclusively by franchise restaurants/bars. There's no college ora about the place.
You're not fooling anyone "college fan." You went/go to UNCc.
UNCC has built a few nice building recently, but it is in no way nicer than ASU. ASU is in a different league, the prettiest public school in the state.
Google results:
Charlotte: http://jillwlang.smugmug.com/Galleries/Charlotte-…
App: http://w1.campusexplorer.com/media/560×420/Appala…
Both basic pictures of buildings and a little landscape.. Sorry, but App is a clear cut winner here. And the App picture doesn't even point out the nicest areas of the campus!
http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/582029_3…
http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/222651_1…
Nice buildings<Nice buildings+Beautiful setting
Again Gonzo? I try to have a reasonable discussion with you and you keep up with the cheap shots. As I mentioned our path to trying to maintain appropriate state funding is through growth. Obviously as long as you are in growth mode you can't increase admission standards by much. With that said our recent freshmen class was the largest of all time while also having higher GPA and SAT scores than previous years. The school said 500 more kids that were acccepted decided to enroll – they are giving football credit for a big piece of that. Football will impact the school and how our alumni and students view it.
If App had the physical ability to expand like we are they would be. Your land situation makes that more difficult so instead you get to be more selective with incoming students. Great for you guys.
We are not a traditional college and we never will be and I never want us to be. As I have said before App is great for people who want that atmosphere. It might come as a shock to you – but people like different things and for some people Boone is not what they want out of a college experience. IF a kid wants to go to App – great they will get a solid education. If they want to go to Charlotte – great they will get a solid education. If they want to go to Chapel Hill we need to stage an intervention.
I'm having a reasonable discussion with you and an unreasonable discussion with the incognito UNCC fan, "College fan." Please don't take my comments personally. I have to be as abrasive as possible sometimes or risk compromising my schtick.
I'm glad you've come to terms with what UNCC is and you're embracing it: a college that yields a decent education, but has no traditional college atmosphere. I respect that. There are too many of your brood that try to paint Charlotte as something it's not. Little man syndrome runs rampant over there.
Nice try Gonzo…..but no matter how many times you repeat the same lines about Charlotte having no college tradition, it doesn't make it true. I agree with NWA that UNC Charlotte and ASU are different, but not sure about his use of the word "traditional". Charlotte is just as "traditional" as ASU in all respects that I have seen except its not in the small college town like App is.
Your comments about skiing, etc. are funny. You're talking about the surrounding areas not ASU itself. You are a sad little man Gonzo.
It's all part of the experience, man. Your college experience doesn't end when you step off of school property. (And technically, since AppSkii is owned by the University, NC's best snowboard terrain park is on campus.)
I won't keep repeating it. If you've convinced yourself that UNCc has a traditional college atmosphere, you've got bigger fish to fry in life than arguing on message boards about anything. Good luck to you sir. You're gonna need it. Go 49ers!
Is NWA the music group or the National Wrestling Alliance. I'm cool either way.
"Is NWA the music group or the National Wrestling Alliance. I’m cool either way."
Well I am a fan of the rap group – Straight Outta Compton is awesome as was Eazy-E's solo album Easy Duz It – in fact I rank Eazy Duz it as the best rap album off all time on my personal list. I also am a wrestling fan – nothing could beat going to an old match at The Big I or Memorial Stadium.
The NWA though really stands for my NinerNation.net name – NinerWupAss. Most either refer to me as WupAss or NWA.
It's neat to know why people choose the handles they do.
As for my comment that Charlotte is not a traditional college – I stand by that. Going to Charlotte is very different from going to App or any school that sits square inside a city. What we lack in traditional college feel we make up with access to a rapidly growing city. Once light rail is on campus students will have the ability to access NoDa, downtown and south charlotte all without a car. I wish it had been there when I was a student.
I had friends at App, UNCG, UNCW, Chapel Hill and NC State when I was in school. The only thing I really feel like I missed out on was football. Beyond that each school is unique in it's own right. My main point is I don't consider either better than the other. To each their own. We should be happy that within our state we can offer such a wide choice of education for our citizens – WCU, App, UNCG, NC State, Charlotte, ECU and UNCW each have a different atmosphere and people will fall in love with each of them for their own reasons. I take pride in that.
Now back on topic – Have your boosters recieved any communication on the direction App is planning on taking with regards to FBS? Or is it all being left up to interviews and chatter?
Wyo, do you live in Wyoming? Explain your handle.
I'm just a huge Hunter S. Thompson fan.
UNCC is "crime ridden" compared to App? Gonzo, what is your point?
I guess as long as you don't have any daughters that end up in the vicinity of a select few football players…
Crime would never happen at APP.
Crime happens everywhere.
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Yes, Charlotte has such an ugly, concrete-filled campus….
Charlotte's campus is bland and generic but not quite as hideous as the urban sprawl surrounding it for an endless number of miles. Boone is the most unique town in the state. I loved that I didn't need a car there for 4 years, because it's almost European in the sense that we have relatively high density and good, free public transportation. Sure, we don't have target and many other chain stores, but I also don't have a vagina so I don't need those things.
So lemme get this straight "College Fan", you didn't go to either school yet you're 100 posts deep into an appfan post? That's utter crap.
Appftw…..you really need to get out more. Charlotte's campus could not be further from "bland". You've obviously never been there.
Watauga has one of (if not the) lowest crime rate in the state if NC. Kid's get mugged and sexually assaulted on a daily basis on and around the UNCC campus.
The alleged football "rape" is the worst thing to ever hit this town and it likely never even happened. Perspective, ma'am.
Charlotte has always been and continues to be a commuter school. Lived in Charlotte my whole life and rarely ever see anyone with UNCC gear. There's no sense of pride like other schools in the state. I've been there countless times as I've had friends that have attended. No college feel whatsoever. Just a large community college in Harrisburg.
So does anyone still believe that College fan didn't/doesn't go to UNCC? lol
oh i'm sorry, I thought the fact that the DA chose not to pursue any further action meant that topic was dead. Are we talking about the actual case or the facebook campaign?
Gonzo…..if you knew how wrong you are…..you are good for laughs though, I'll give you that.
"Lived in Charlotte my whole life and rarely ever see anyone with UNCC gear. There’s no sense of pride like other schools in the state."
Lack of football has a major impact. Take away football from App and while people would remember their time fondly there wouldn't be near that amount of school pride.
Bushina…..you are certainly allowed your opinion but I'm guessing you either haven't been to the Charlotte campus lately (in years) or your entire post is made up. I've spent time (in my college years and after) on the campus' of UNCC, ASU, WCU, NCSU, ECU, UNCW and UNCG to name a few and the idea that UNCC is lacking some "college feel" ON CAMPUS compared to any of those is simply not true, but if that makes you App guys feel superior, continue to knock yourself out.
Are you trying to say that in the last few years UNCC has transformed into non-commuter school with a college atmosphere? When everyone goes home on the weekend and the campus is desolate, I'm sure that adds to the "college feel". I like how you clarify "ON CAMPUS". You're not fooling anyone that Concord is a college town.
Bushina, congrats….you may be dumber than Gonzo. First of all (for clarification) I went to ECU, but have lived near Charlotte most of my life. Charlotte has not been any more of a "commuter" school (for the last 10-15 years) than most other area schools. The fact that you claim that doesn't make it true. I know students there now that live within 1-2 hours of the campus and only go home once every month or so. I spent many weekends on Charlottes campus in years past (among others) and their campus is just as lively as any. Plenty of "good times" to be had. WTH are the Concord and Harrisburg references? UNCC is inside the Charlotte city limits and has been for decades.
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Very simple collegefan for years people have held the football card Over our heads so now that we are starting a football program and will be FBS two years later the only thing they can put us down about is academic stats and "college town traditions
Personally I love being put down because everytime we are we know what happens
49ers,
Really? you're still trolling Appfan? Enough already. We get it, congrats – you're in FBS. We'll join you soon.
Honestly, I think its great for App that UNCC is starting up football — adds another regional rival!
The ONLY reason I have put any Charlotte fan down is because of the adherent attitude they portray about how much better they are when they haven't even played a down of football yet. Reminds me a lot of Georgia State before two seasons ago..
"We are going to be so good because we have a lot of CEO alumni, are in the middle of Atlanta, and are playing in the Georgia Dome!!!! Nobody will be able to lay a finger on us!!! Oh, and we stole recruits from Georgia Southern!!!"
As soon as they Lambuth (!!!), their mouths shut and they realized exactly what everyone was telling them. Just because you have market share, are in a large city, have a large student population and alumni base, does not mean you are going to be good at football immediately.
NWA, you are one of the few UNCC fans that seem to actually understand what they are talking about. While I think your thought you can beat App within 4 years is outlandish, you at least realize its not going to be the best team in the FCS the first year out. Your peers, on the other hand, are ruining it for your entire fan base.
As soon as they lost to Lambuth****
Joe, I must say I have seen very few UNCC fans on this or any other boards I follow (AGS,CSNBBS etc.) say any of the sort. I see LOTS of ASU fans making that claim, but very little evidence of it happening. I'm sorry, but from my perspective it appears App fans are so ticked off at not getting the invite (that Charlotte got) they are taking their anger out on 49er fans whether they deserve it or not. The Charlotte folks I know are just happy to be playing football, atleast for the first couple years.
Clearly you don't read this board..
CharlotteFan.. err, I mean CollegeFan, you clearly do not read this site very often then…
Just check out this thread — http://www.appfan.com/2012/06/25/cusa-commish-men…
This is just one of the MANY threads that have it
"NWA, you are one of the few UNCC fans that seem to actually understand what they are talking about. While I think your thought you can beat App within 4 years is outlandish, you at least realize its not going to be the best team in the FCS the first year out. Your peers, on the other hand, are ruining it for your entire fan base."
Such is life – a few folks can always color a fanbase. As for beating App in year 4 – I could be way wrong, but as a fan with green tinted glasses I have to believe it. I mean there were some App people that thought you could beat VT a few years ago. Nothing wrong with believing it, that is why we are fans.
For the record I was ok with App getting into CUSA – thought that the App, ECU and Charlotte combo would finally make a dent in the ACC crap. With that said I also thought that getting in over App is a great advantage for us. App is one of the schools we will have to compete against for athletes and attention. Getting in FBS I think helps us in some aspects with that. If App joins us in CUSA or another FBS program in the end then great – maybe we can schedule a series and take some attention away from the ACC douches.
Joe, funny that you linked that thread. I just skimmed over it and the most ridiculous comments I saw were from people like Gonzo, MadDoctor, ASU7 and a couple other "AppFans" it appeared.
Dr. Gonzo is a saint his sources are always right
Please re-read then.. all remarks were made because uncc trolls have constantly come to an app site claiming they are better since they are in the cusa and we aren't.
Exactly. I will be the first to admit that I am happy that UNCC is getting football. I think it is great. I would love to see the ASU UNCC matchup years down the road. I will continue to talk sh-t to 49ers and other uncc fans that came on Appfan and talked up how we didn't get in, that we weren't good enough, and that they were now FBS&CUSA and we were small time and all their other BS. As for the legit UNCC fans don't take it personally when I tell 49ers to see if his Mom will bring him up to the Rock for the Montana game to see how tailgating and a real game day atmosphere is done, after all he is still a virgin for another year.
Dr. Gonzo,
After being in Boone for 4 years I wanted to see the West without being a tourist, you know the reputation tourists have in Boone. So I went to the University of Wyoming. The same way we refer to Appalachian as App they refer to the University of Wyoming as Wyo or UDub so I chose App and Wyo. You can buy apparel with Wyo from the bookstore. https://www.uwyobookstore.com/shop_product_detail…
Out of state tuition in Wyoming was about the same as N.C. in state tuition at the time. So it was a no brainer.
+1 NWA
Although I didn't think we would beat VT, I sure as heck didn't think we were going to get shlacked by 60 points….
I should have known better with the then current coaching staff that we were not as good as advertised. Now that we have cleaned house, we should start to get back to the 2005-07 form when satt was last here.
GO 'NEERS!
VT was a special case. I really don't think it would have mattered who was coaching or playing. They were not going to be embarrassed by another FCS team after the year before. I live in VT country and if we had even come close some heads would have rolled. Head coach was safe but an assistant or two would have been gone as a sacrifice. A friend of mine is a fair sized donor and he would have torn up his check for last year if we had been within 2 touchdowns of them. A lot of their boosters were REALLY upset that the almighty Hoooooookies were beat by a lowly fcs team. The team and the coaches got the message “this better not even be close”. This is going to happen again when we get to Michigan. If they are up by 28 with 37 seconds left in the game their starters will be in trying to score again. Pretty boy on ESPN is going to have a field day.