Some time ago a man dared say publicly, “I believe that marriage is the union between a man and a woman. I’m not somebody who promotes same-sex marriage.”
Three months later that man was elected President of the United States. And there was much rejoicing at App State.
More recently another man dared say, “We are much supportive of the family — the biblical definition of the family unit. We are a family owned business, a family-led business. We are married to our first wives and we give thanks to God for that.”
A few days later that man was deemed evil. And OMG WE HAVE HAVE GOT TO KICK HIS BUSINESS OFF THE APP STATE CAMPUS!!!!
Is this real life?
More than 500 Appalachian State University students have signed a petition demanding that the school shut down its Chick-fil-A restaurant.
The university released a statement Thursday saying, “There is nowhere better to facilitate challenging discussions about important issues than a university campus… Appalachian respects the right of consumers to make their own thoughtful choices consistent with their values.”
Some students are predicting a fight over whether or not the restaurant should stay open when classes start back up.
Sounds sane.
Kudos to App State for being tolerant. Same for athletics.
horse hockey and pass the chicken sandwich
+1 Appfan on the meme
Anxiously awaiting MIDWEST's comments on this one!
Come on, MIDWEST, it's the only thing you and I agree on. Don't let me down!
OH GOD.
Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse around here, there's an article, not a comment by MIDWEST, but an article written with a biased political slant. SMH.
I'll only say one thing: It amazes me that social conservatives speak about this CF thing like it's only about the guy stating his opinion. Donating millions to anti-gay activist groups is a little bigger than exercising his first amendment right to state an outdated and bigoted opinion.
If I was gay and knew that any money I spent at a place would go directly to groups devoted to persecuted myself and my loved ones, I'd probably boycott the place too.
Sure CF is doing fine. Alienating a large group of American's but becoming the favorite pigout spot for bible thumpers nation wide has it's advantages. But educational contexts like a Universities hold their own standards of bigotry and persecution.
This is getter stupid. If you dont want to eat there dont eat there. The school has the right to have whatever restaurant it wants in the cafeteria. I lover Chick-fil-a and will always eat there. Why is this a surprise. It was well know that it was a highly religious place anyway. Why does not supporting gay marriage shock everyone. Get over it and dont eat there if you dont want to.
Stupid hippies and their dumb protest.
Not supporting it is fine. DONATING MILLIONS to anti-gay activist groups is another.
Social conservatives, please do a little research or at least read the comments above yours. /facepalm
yes. but it is their money to do with as they please. If you feel like that is wrong do not eat there.
Really Gonzo? Really? CF donates millions to Christian organizations that of course take the "anti-gay" stance…….because they are CHRISTIAN ORGANIZATIONS! Don't act like they donate to them just because they are anti-gay. One of those organizations is the FCA( fellowship of Christian athletes.) CF donates about $500,000 to the FCA every year. They do that because of how the FCA ministers to young athletes and helps them realize their God-given potential; not because they are anti-gay. Btw, ASU has a pretty strong FCA with hundreds of student athletes as members.
Why should ASU shut down a restaurant because SOME people don't agree with the owner's views? That would be more narrow minded than allowing each individual to choose whether they want to eat there.
This should be a fun one to watch.
Don't believe in a university censoring competing ideas in the marketplace…that's what higher education is supposed to be about, opening one's mind to new and different ideas.
Having said that, the Christian stance on gay marriage is un-Christlike and smacks of fear and unreasonable hatred. The idea that gay marriage undermines the concept of family values and the sanctity of traditional marriage is a joke given the very high divorce rate among heterosexual couples.
The biggest issue is the assignment of certain rights by the state to the status of marriage. Denying these rights to people based upon gender may eventually be determined as unconstitutional. Have no problem with religions sects refusing to recognize gay marriage due to whatever they determine to be their interpretation of whatever document they hold sacred.
The man expressed an opinion that is no way affects the way his company does business. I would venture to say that 99.9% of large businesses that many of us frequent have leaders who have beliefs we may not necessarily agree with. If the "they donate money to organizations…." standard is to be used, then I no longer choose to frequent any business that supports Obama or the entire state of Alabama. The man said what we said and people can make a personal choice to eat where they want. It has nothing to do with ASU, and I like chicken sandwiches with 2 pickles on them.
Folks…..
Chick-fil-a is a southern institution….we don't even have them in Michigan where I live….and that's a shame.
With that said….enough of the gay marriage thing…the CEO of this organization is entitled to his opinion just as you and I are. If you don't agree, that's fine, simply don't eat there. Vote with your wallet as they say, but you have no right to try to silence him.
Along those lines….had to chuckle when I saw news coverage of the support Chcik-fil-a day…..lines around buildings and down the street. Looks to me like CFA is getting lots of votes.
"of fear and unreasonable hatred"
I neither fear nor hate those who wish to engage in gay marriage. I simply believe it is not the biblical definition of the term. The assumption that disagreeing with something somehow implies hate or fear if absurd. I don't hate or fear the President, but I also do not believe he lives up to the standards of a good President. I wish that people, all people, would stop connecting diagreement with an opinion with hatred or intolerance.
"Outdated and bigoted opinion"
It's those kind of comments that are in inflammatory and close-minded. Freedom of speech, sure, but a also a great example of intolerance on the side of the left. It goes both ways my friend.
I don't think some people will be happy until believing in the bible is considered a crime. If you want to argue the effects of same sex marriage on a family unit in regards to health care coverage, I can see the passion, but boycotting a chicken restaurant, sounds like an attention grab.
Lobbying congress to not condemn Uganda's "Kill the Gays" bill is more anti-gay than pro traditional marriage not matter how much you vomit that Fox News, semantic spin job. That's the name given to the bill by the FRC. Take a look at the FRC website. Educate yosef. It's more than verbally taking a conservative stance and it's more than donating money to good Christian people.
They donate tons of money to anti-gay hate groups like the FRC and they donate tons of money to good natured groups like the FCS. If they stop the former, there wouldn't be the backlash. Can't you break through the BS and see the real issues?
BTW, I still eat there. I respect people's right to support the place if they feel that way (you have a right be be an ignorant a$$ hole in the country and thats why America is so great). I also certainly don't blame people for boycotting the place for reasons I mentioned earlier. It just irks me when the go-to social conservative response is "He was just exercising free speech. He's a Christian, why are you surprised? And Christians are always persecuted." Give me a freckin' break and do your own research instead of exactly what Glenn Beck tells you…
Signed,
Your politically moderate Dr. Gonzo (Thats right, I broke the political binary. I sound awful conservative when I talk about the economy)
"I simply believe it is not the biblical definition of the term"
Great that you believe in the biblical definition of the term "marriage". That should have nothing to do with legal rights recognized by a secular government to law abiding citizens.
Skulls full of mush and all, the students can protest (peacefully, we hope) but the business can continue to serve on campus. Good for them.
As is typical, certain folks claim to be so open-minded until they run into something they don't agree with. Then, all of a sudden, freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom of speech anymore. Then the epithets come out of their mouths/keyboards and those with different opinions are all hateful, hate-filled hate mongers who hate. Please, give us all a break.
Chick-fil-A is yum. Yay for ASU and yay for AppFan for pointing out the double standards of the student body.
"Great that you believe in the biblical definition of the term
“marriage”. That should have nothing to do with legal rights recognized
by a secular government to law abiding citizens."
Please enlighten us to the passage in the Declaration or the Bill of Rights that says anything about freedom FROM religion? Besides, the definition spans many religions and many societies over many, many years.
+2 Gonzo
So let me get this straight, it is seen as acceptable for Chick Fil A to donate money towards anti gay hate groups because it's simply an expression and extension of their "christian" values? Is that really okay? Has our humanity not evolved past that barbarism? That isn't the heart of christianity and god that I know.
I'm more than happy for people to express religious views and ideals. But exonerating someone from their hatefulness by saying that others are simply dismissing their religious values? Oh cmon, give me a break.
“Great that you believe in the biblical definition of the term
“marriage”. That should have nothing to do with legal rights recognized
by a secular government to law abiding citizens.
ChikFilA is the government?
No matter where you stand on this I think we can all agree:
I am so ready for App football Saturdays to be here.
Did I say Chikfilet was the government? If so, did not intend to do so. Comment was regarding the extension of marriage rights to non-traditional couples.
"Please enlighten us to the passage in the Declaration or the Bill of Rights that says anything about freedom FROM religion? Besides, the definition spans many religions and many societies over many, many years."
Where do I begin…where did you get the idea that anyone is arguing about freedom from religion? Everyone in this country (unless, apparently, you're Muslim) is free to worship to whatever god based on whatever holy document they see fit. This has absolutely nothing to do with civil rights recognized by a secular government. While passed as a prohibition against slavery and racial discrimination, the equal protection clause may eventually be expanded to recognize the civil rights of all American.
And the same argument about recognized by many religions and societies was also used to justify slavery.
That's all I'm going to say on this subject. The argument is conceded to the superiority of religious logic.
On a lighter note…Honey Badger to ASU anyone?
Wow. Dr. Gonzo, just gained an entirly new level of respect for you. Also just posted my last comment on this dying joke of a site. Even if you were not a social conservative douche bag piece of sh*t (and actually had the values of a reasonable and intelligent human being), a football blog is no place for a hot button political issue. Goodbye appfan, may you rot in hell. You will find me at:
MMB
AGS
Appstatenation
Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve
I'm just going to hope amy was joking.
I'm with Gonzo.
By the way, the Constitution, despite what David Barton would have you think, is all about freedom FROM religion. The Founders were diests, not christians and when religion dictates your social policy, you end up with Iran.
Who cares. We don't need to. Let's worry about the ecOnomy and not this smoke screen issue. If you're gay, be gay, but don't expect s
and THAT is why I had to leave Boone. Love ASU, but living with 15k twenty year olds was getting unbearable.
So are they demanding that Ben and Jerry's never be served on campus too?
I have a gay daughter, who is married and an ASU grad, and of whom I am extremely proud. She is a wonderful, caring human being, as is her wife. I have nothing against anyone whose religious beliefs preclude them from recognizing her marriage, and I'm not convinced that state recognition of same-sex marriage as legally indistinguishable from traditional marriage is necessary or wise. So I'm not upset at all with the Chick-Fil-A guy's comments. As for whether to boycot a business because you don't like what it does with it's money, there is nothing wrong with that either. Let the customer decide.
Next thing we know them zany homos are gona protest the Creator/nature/evolution – whatever one might believe – for not giving them the ability to breed with their life partners. Thats what they really should be outraged about. Maybe it's some sorta sign!? Socialist land of the offended, thats what it's becomming.
Grilled chicken sandwich, cookie and cream milkshake, no fries.
What a bunch of crap ,that's 500 people that don't have to eat there,like Robert d raddled says on John boy and Billy,were the united states of the offenended,, just like everything else ,500 people think they should control the wishes of 17000
WHY IS THIS TOPIC ON AN ATHLETIC FORUM???????
Shame on AppFan for even posting this. We have to hear about this damn stuff on news media, social media, and now an athletic forum? You have to be kidding me.
Kill this thread now.
disappointed this was posted like it was on this site. in a time of so many issues that can divide, we have one in being a fan of app state that can bring us together. if you want to post a relevant story about life at app state, fine, but leave the political references out of it.
Just knew this was going to be fun to watch
bmfd… a couple of people are pissed about a comment that someone made. really, there is more shi'ite to worry about in this nation, than weather or not some people can't get a chicken sammich. the economy is in the toilet, the white house doesn't accept any blame for any of their actions and the media seems to find stupid stuff to come up with to distract from the real issues (read… chewbacca defense)!
now, i need me some waffle fries!
Gonzo,
For the most part I enjoy your shtick. However, playing the "Chick-Fil-a is an organization of bigots" card is incredibly disappointing. I get that you wouldn't donate money to what Chick Fil A does… But that makes them bigots? Please. I believe you're more insightful than that.
Why bother to post just to complain about the thread? If it upsets you, don't read it. Nobody is forcing you to do anything. No one is taking away your rights (unless of course, you're gay, in which case, yes, yes they are).
+2 Amy
"Chick-fil-A has donated at least $5 million to organizations (including a certified hate group) that, among other things, depict gay people as pedophiles, want to make "gay behavior" illegal, and even say gay people should be "exported" out of America."
If that doesn't make you a bigot, what does?
I think I would rather hear someone talk about how Coach Moore is the worst thing to ever happen to AppState then this topic.
Dan, really? Spare me.. Did Lawrence O'Donnel post that story? I'm not going to swap news articles with idiots. If people actually believe Chick Fil A is a hate group and has donated money in the name of exporting gay people then I have a bridge to sell them.
My opinion is pretty simple. As a libertarian Republican, I do not believe the government should be in the business of deciding who can marry and who cannot.
This has nothing to do with whether or not I support gay marriage. That is irrelevant. My point is marriage should be a personal issue, not one decided by government. Besides, it's not like straight couples have marriage figured out. Gay people deserve to be miserable just like the rest of us.
As for Chic-fil-A, if you don't like it, don't eat there. I don't go to church to get my chicken and I don't go to CFA for moral advice.
Hate groups, hate crimes….blah blah blah. What the hell is a hate crime anyway? If you stab someone in the face and say I love you vs. stabbing someone in the face and call them a f*g, the crime is the crime and should be punished accordingly.
Stupid liberals.
There are many other reasons for AppState to give Chick-Fil-A the boot:
Vidalia
Hob Nob Farm Cafe
Proper
Paolucci's
Galileo's
Peddler Steak House
Mr. Original Gyros
Mountain Bagels
Troy's 105 Diner
Tuckers Cafe
Sunrise Grill
Red Onion Cafe
Cafe Portofino
Peppers
Parthenon Cafe
Our Daily Bread
Murphys
Mountain House
Mike's Inland Seafood
Melanie's
Coyote Kitchen
Cha Da Thai
Casa Rustica
Capones
Boone Saloon
Black Cat Burrito
…and so on.
In short, AppState should fire the biblical chicken chain and strike up a deal with one of the many locally owned and operated eateries.
Let the consumer decide liberal
dan my post was the same as yours, simply stating my opinion. didnt even take a stance on which side i was on. i apologize that my comments aren't as important as yours. i read this for the football and app news. with all of the websites based on political discussion, i come to this one to get as far away from it as i can. with all of our agreed support for appalachian, why post something political that is sure to divide?
Chic-fil-a is locally owned and operated. Guy lives right down the road from me.
This sh!t is so effing ridiculous!! Personally, I have absolutely no problem with same sex marriages… I think they should be able to enjoy the same benefits as heterosexual couples. Love is love. No matter how you slice it. But the amount of public backlash over this is nauseating… It's not like chickfila is discriminating against the gay community or anything… He was asked his belief on gay marriage and he shared it. Are there any gay people working for chickfila? My guess is yes. Are gay people refused service? No. So get the F over it!!!
And I cannot wait until football season starts… First and foremost because I love APP football…. And a close second because I am sick of reading the same tired argument about going FBS… Truthfully, I can't believe this thread hasn't morphed into that yet because every other one seems to. But I also agree with whoever posted about this being a poor forum for such a hot button issue. And I'm freakin SOOOOO tired of hearing about this chickfila crap!!!
Lastly…. GO APP!!!!!! I can't wait for the season opener!!
"Chick-fil-A uses a model significantly different from other restaurant franchises, notably in retaining ownership of each restaurant. Chick-fil-A selects the restaurant location, builds it and retains ownership…Chick-fil-A gets a larger share of revenue from its franchises than other chains"
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chick-fil-A
I think most of us can see that this is significantly different kind of business than a place like, say Mr. Original Gyros
http://www.mroriginalgyros.com/About.html
+1,000 Buy Boone Local. Why should we even discuss a franchise restaurant? Boone is a mecca of incredible local food stops.
+1 Midwest.
"As for Chic-fil-A, if you don’t like it, don’t eat there. I don’t go to church to get my chicken and I don’t go to CFA for moral advice."
Nor should anyone else.
Boone Buy Local:
Yes, the significant difference I see between CFA and Mr. O Gyro is that one of the two is wildly succsessful. CFA is Locally Owned and Operated no matter how you spin it. You should refer to them as cookie cutter and/or big box so as to better perpetuate your agenda.
I think our CFA is one of the nicest looking places (commercial property) in town and it is certainly one of the friendliest, cleanest places in town.
We should go fbs and be big time so that we won't have to worry about chik fil a or their CEOs personal opinions.
Geez people, you're missing the point. How about we get the government out of marriage all together. Why should they officiate? I don't want gay marriage in my church, but I'm tired if others using government to batter me over my head using government to further their agenda.
I do find it ironic that liberals love to use govt. to do their bidding, yet if they'd just lobby govt. to get out of the marriage issue, they could marry who they choose.
Also, this "local" craze is stupid. Large corporations are large because they either do it better than everyone else, or the small company had no desire to grow. Either way, if the small company was interested in having a role at ASU, I'm sure the admin. would be willing to listen to an opportunity to benefit both parties. This hatred for corporations is nothing more than class envy/jealousy. I own a small business, but any laborer knows that if you want security, opportunity for growth, and great benefits, you either get a job with a large corp, or the govt
Dan Cathy is not Chik Fil A, he's the owner. Plenty of companies have owners who are complete pieces of sh*t. The answer isn't to forcibly remove them through authoritarianism, but to let the customer decide. If their profits at the ASU location fall enough, they'll close it on their own, and isn't that what the free market is all about?
tj – wasn't singling you out per say, but there have been many comments just complaining about the thread. Same principle as above – if you don't want to read about it, don't.
Apps_AJ11, i will spare you from facts on a go-forward basis.
This is not an issue of whether the owner is a bigot, or whether the government should recognize gay marriage or whether you should support CFA or not. This is an issue of whether a public university should forcibly shut down a business because some people don't beleive in the leader's opinion. Can you imagine the precendent that would set?
And to those of you complaining about this topic… show me where the Appfan auther ever said or implied "I will only post articles related to sports". It is their blog and they can post whatever they want. If you want to control a blog then spend the countless money and time Appfan has spent building this site and start your own blog.
Dan, facts? Right.
Yes, facts. Those things that can be proven empirically. I'm guessing you're the type of person who doesn't let those get in the way of what you believe. Take comfort, you're in the majority in this country.
How come that if an individual does not agree with homosexuality marriages and adheres to the Christian Faith, for example, he is a "member of a hate group"?
What does it make an individual who supports alternate life styles?
And if the marriage institution is going to be redefined, then why cannot a man have multiple wives (other than who wants more than one), etc.?
Is this communism or what? Why would the school (govt) shut down a restaurant based on owner's beliefs? You will have a riot on your hands if this happens.
Typical liberal losers. Romney/Ryan- America's Comeback team. Please save us from the Obama/Chavez ticket.
+1 to everything Midwest has already said. Too much regulation….we need smaller government ASAP.
If christians could keep their beliefs to themselves, that would be one thing. The problem is they try to impose their value system on society at large.
If you don't like gay marriage, don't get gay married. Don't try to keep other people from doing it.
Dan, posting directly from huffington post hardly constitutes as facts. Insulting me because I don't believe your "facts" as credible or accurate isn't cool. I'm done.
Dan,
Don't buy the product, just like I don't watch Tim Robbins or Susan Sarandon movies. Ben and Jerry's is fattening, so I don't eat that either. My decision, not the government's.
Let the consumers decide. Let the country remain free, despite the fact that Obama wants to be a dictator.
It isn't just Christians Dan. True Christians don't condemn people over their beliefs. You think gay rights has a better time in a place like Russia? Or perhaps an Islamic country? Or maybe a place like Africa or some other place with no god or primitive gods? People in general try to influence and persuade people to join their point of view, look at some of the political rants on this blog.
Middie – i said the exact same thing a couple of posts up.
11 – Huffington provides links to their sources, which you can use to confirm or deny anything on their site. Short of handing you the guy's returns, not sure what else anyone can do. Not to mention – HP isn't the only source reporting this.
McCray – i agree 100%, islamic countries are 10 times worse. Issue is, I don't live there. I live in a place dominated by christians, so that's my immediate beef. That being said, I agree, the big 3 are a huge blight on our planet.
Oh and Middie – i said exactly what you said several posts back…
Religion isn't necessarily a blight. People seeking control over others is the blight.
Agreed, problem is Religion is most often the tool utilized for those ends, and is incredibly effective because it teaches people to follow blindly without any real critical analysis.
Agreed, most organized Religions do do their best to subjugate their followers. Interestingly enough, Jesus of Nazareth's message was exactly the same, fighting against the established religious leaders of his day.
Shutting down a business because of a belief …
Isn't this the same thing liberals preach against?
I am confused because it seems they want to shut down certain businesses that have owners who are conservative but keep their businesses open. If we shut down CFA can we shut down expressions as well?
Here is an idea … let people sell what they want and if people don't want to buy it so be it.
The people calling for the closure of CFA are no different than people who want to ban gay marriage. Some folks don't agree with gay marriage and when those people try to stop it hell and high water is raised. However, when an owner of a company states he is against gay marriage the same people who preach freedom want to shut him down.
You can't have your cake and eat it too. You either want to be free or not.
I don't agree with Howard Stern … so I don't listen to his garbage. If you don't agree with CFA don't eat there.
CFA will not go out of business because of what their owner said. I would be willing to bet their sales have increased. JMO.
I am with Midwest …
I don't go to church for chicken and I don't go to CFA for moral advice. Very well said Mid.
Let us be free and choose what we want. Freedome of choice right? I have the right to choose if I want a spicy chicken sandwhich.
Pass the chicken.
Freedom*
the spicy chicken sandwich is honestly one of chik fil a's best designed sandwiches
The biscuit is amazing as well.
Wow – I check in on the Appys just to see what you all are up to this morning and the LAST thing I expected to see was a CFA discussion! Charlotte has a CFA on campus as well and I haven't heard of any protests or attempts to close it, but kudos to ASU for keeping it open. If we started going company by company listing where they give money and if they are morally "just" as deemed by society or those in charge I would guess that not many large corporations would be in business. I have read about working conditions at some of Apple's plants in asia – maybe their products shouldn't be sold on campus, etc.
Me personally – I don't agree with George Clooney on politics but I will go see his movies, I don't see eye to eye with Dave Mathews but I love his music so I don't really have an issue eating a chicken sandwhich at CFA. The main point in my support of CFA though is that they are owned by local franshise owners in most cases and they are VERY active in the community – supporting everything from local schools to community groups to churches. Their positive contributions to YOUR LOCAL community are immense, in addition to that they employee people (with out discrimination) and have helped millions attend college. So the corporate level my say or do some dumb things – the important thing is the local CFA is a valuable member of your community. Sometimes you have to let things go…
When you cut through all of the emotional baggage attached to this issue, App State faculty made the right call: one that should put other institutions and programs on notice. Our Constitution is no better or stronger than the will of the people. And while passion is a part of life to be dealt with, passion detached from intellect is chaos. When we allow passion to rule a principled life, civil and constitional rights become subject to the law of the jungle and the question becomes, where do you stop? What's the next big thing for college campuses; stoning christians, banning the Bible, burning the Constitution on the square? If you demand tolerance, lead by example. We are not watching what you say; we are watching what you do.
Anyone notice that Davidson took this action already this week?
"The Davidson College Union Board is firmly committed to building an inclusive community"
they plan to do that by excluding Chick fil a. Kind of interesting. That sound thinking makes me think a couple of posters on here are actually from Davidson.
When Charlotte plays @ Davidson this year I think I am going to buy a bunch of CFA to hand out at the game to all teh Charlotte fans
NWA,
Sounds to me like you'll be going out of your way to cause problems for no reason but your own petty satisfaction.
Freedom of speech works in every direction, and just like Mr. Cathy exercises his, so are the students of Davidson. Glad to live in a place where that's ok, regardless of the opinion…
Sorry Hogan – the Davidson/Charlotte basketball rivalry gets pretty heated. Basically anything that gets under their skin is fair game for us. They played in our house last year and called us Section 8 based on the fact that we are a large urban pubic university vs. their elite private school.
I think Davidson made a bad decision but I applaud the protest, public discussion and debate on campus. College is more than classroom. Even this thread is interesting to read.
You know…..This is all a big balleyhoo about nothing. Jesus said not one word about gay behavior. His overreaching concern was for the poor,the sick and the marginalized. The mention in Genesis story of Sodom and Gommorah had to do with lack of hospitality instead of sexual behavior—read it and see for yourself…Paul spoke of it but he was not Jesus….The Levitical code was harsh on a lot of things that are not issues today….Im sure being gay is not God's ideal. It's a bit hard to procreate the species that way
I ve been on the ministry nearly 40 yrs and methinks this whole gay lesbian thing doesnt mean as much to God as it does to us….one more thing to divide God's church and the human race…
A shame Chick Fil A got thrown into the middle of a case of "majoring on the minor" as my Dad would say.
Dear AppPreacher:
You believe that God destroyed Sodom and G., and the cities in the plains because they did not know how to give a Martha Stewart warm-welcome? And you have believed this, and I assumed, preached this interpretation to people who relied upon your overall knowledge of the Bible and closeness to Jesus?
And, if I can run the thread a little, you also preached The Flood as a cleasing event of those people who were not friendly to travelers? Or maybe you offered it as just Global Warming?
I feel sorry for you.
Jesus didn't need to say one word about homosexuality; they had a written law that was read every Sunday to remind them: The very idea was unthinkable. And so far as Paul goes, if you look more closely you will discover that many homosexuals and those in bondage to a variety of other sexually impure vices heard the gospel, received a love for the truth that set them free from the delusions associated with unnatural sexual behavior and were, therefore, born again, changed, made new creations in Christ and were progressively transformed by faith in the grace of God and the power of the Holy Spirit. There is ample proof for anyone who studies with a pure motive. And that same grace is available today for every one and anyone willing to receive a love for the truth about their lives and trust Christ. Repeat aloud after me…Lord Jesus, Son of the living God, have mercy on me a sinner. You can be saved for all eternity right now…get busy.
I believe my love for APP football might be a sin …
I love some chic fil a and I think God for it!
Baiscally anything that seperates you from God is a sin. That is different for a lot of people. I pray a lot at App games so that might not seperate me from God after all!
And the person that says there are other things to pray for than App football … I beg to differe God said to ask for what we want. I want APP victories so I pray for them.
Anyways I APPlaud my university for not taking away a business because of what the owner of said business says.
Gotta love religion – the license to say anything stupid that comes to mind and attribute it to "God".
Robert – lots of Christians I know say that Jesus wiped out the old law and replaced it with the new covenant that said "love they neighbor as thyself". If that's not the case, why aren't you living by all the laws of the Old Testament?
Jesus never said a word about it. Funny, if it was so important, you'd think he'd have mentioned it instead of always talking about the poor.
dang auto correct …
So who is going to ECU?
Dan,as far as I know He never said anything about selling cocaine but…..
Funny isn't it, knows everything that will happen because he's omniscient, doesn't see selling drugs as becoming a big problem down the line.
If you don't see a difference between selling drugs and being born gay, I can't help you.
Also, thanks for proving my point that your "morality" is something you've conceived of that has no basis in the Bible.
All I have to say is that if you want a good chicken sandwich, somewhere down the line you have to have a rooster and a hen……Just saying that God had a plan that works.