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The 2012 App State foosball season begins this weekend. Hopes and dreams finally clash with reality. The contest will kickoff to the minute five years after the All Time Upset. Here are four downs on the game.

First Down: Hydration is important.
Back in 2009 App State was thisclose to knocking out the Pirates, thanks both to an explosive 3rd(!) string QB named Travaris Cadet and severe cramping by the EZU defense. Score after one quarter was 17-0. Early second it was 24-0. The final, 29-24. Yet it felt good.

Second Down: Newbie at QB.
ECU announced Monday they finally have a starter behind center – Rio Johnson. the junior has never started a game. He has PT in just four games as a Pirate, all last season. He seems to be a typical pocket passer. He has 29 career passing attempts (completing 20), and just seven career rushes (for -31 yards).

Third Down: Defense is defective.
It pains us to point this out, but former App State DC now ECU associate head coach John Wiley is having a ‘ruff’ time. Last season the Pirate defense had more holes than Augusta. They gave up 32 points a game, including 48 to Southern Miss, and 56 each to South Carolina and Houston. Coulda been worse, of course. Coulda been the 2010 ECU defense, which gave up 44 points a game.

Fourth Down: It’s uh …. famileeee, tradition.
Here’s a bucket of cold water for the fans drunk on the big anniversary Saturday. For all the hype, App State is a big 0-fer against I-A FBS teams located outside Ann Arbor and Winston-Salem. Some of the games are competitive (ECU in ’09, NC State in ’06) but most are not (Kansas ’05, Va Tech ’11). Even ECU coach admits, App State has great talent but “the difference we have is that our depth is better.” That has often been the difference.


  1. Dr. Gonzo

    August 28, 2012 at 5:31 am

    Now we're talkin'. BEAT EZU!


  2. AppWyo

    August 28, 2012 at 5:37 am

    Don't forget the loss in Laramie in 2004 53-7. I guess you are just including games played since 2004.

  3. nomadb

    August 28, 2012 at 5:57 am


  4. Jamey

    August 28, 2012 at 6:49 am

    Just hit it hard early and beat the ARRGGGHHH outta their QB. We are not going to be able to spot them 24 points and make the comeback, that is for sure. We need to go out and set the tone like we did at Michigan. Score early, make plays, stay consistent, catch some luck, play physical, play fast, play mean, say you Wheaties, eat your prayers, don't do school, stay in drugs.

  5. Stuck in Lodi

    August 28, 2012 at 7:00 am

    Didn't we beat South Carolina in Columbia back in the late '70s?

  6. clayton

    August 28, 2012 at 7:20 am

    Don't give up any first downs. Their first down annoys the swear word out of me.

  7. Dixiedawg80

    August 28, 2012 at 7:36 am

    Clayton: +1

  8. Snaggy

    August 28, 2012 at 8:24 am

    Unrelated kind of but, the David Glenn show is going to have the Quickness on for an interview today. It will be in the last third of the show, so sometime 2pm or after.

    On a related note… BEAT ECU!!!! Can't freakin' wait to get to Greenville!

  9. Noah

    August 28, 2012 at 8:28 am

    Hahaha couldn't have said it better Jamey

  10. Bugles taste good

    August 28, 2012 at 8:28 am

    Good luck this week playing in the crappy greenville guys, go and score another nice OOC win for the SoCon 😉

    FCS National Game of the Week: Furman vs. Samford

  11. Stuck in Lodi

    August 28, 2012 at 8:33 am

    No Turnovers!

  12. App Band

    August 28, 2012 at 8:38 am

    Yes, we did beat USC…think it was in '75.

  13. AppfanJared

    August 28, 2012 at 8:41 am

    We can win this game. My only serious doubt is the lack of star power. Before this season, I can always remember someone shining either offensively or defensively. Corey Lynch was always a star. Dexter Jackson and Hans Batichon were studs on the outside. Kevin Richardson is arguably my favorite App outside of Armanti. Then, we have to include Armanti, Richie, DP, so on. There are so many stars that I'm used to seeing, including BQ and more.

    We need one of two things… We either need someone to step up and take on the star role and embrace it, or we need the entire time to be consistent. We haven't had a consistent team since 2007, and look where that landed us!

    Either way, Go Apps! Beat EZU!

  14. Monster Appfan

    August 28, 2012 at 9:10 am

    White App Shirt- Check

    Sunscreen – Check

    Gatorade the night before- Check

    Cranberry Vodkas in Cooler – Check

    Expensive FBS Ticket in wallet – Check

    Beat the Arggghh out of ECU temporary tattoo – Check Check

    This game is ours to take. I believe we out talent them on leadership and at Qback. It is time to see what this APP Offensive Line can do..they will be the difference maker of the game for us.

  15. aerotight31

    August 28, 2012 at 9:33 am

    Where is everyone parking to tailgate? Last time, we got there a little after 9, and had to pay $20 park in some fraternities yard way away from the stadium. I was thinking about trying the lots on 14th st first. If they are full, then the Belk Bldg lot on Charles Blvd. My buddies are driving down from Boone and Mooresville to my house in Wilmington. So, hopefully I can get them up earlier this time. There is no reason we can't get up there by 8.

  16. Dr. Gonzo

    August 28, 2012 at 9:44 am

    Jared: Kimbrough and Peacock are your stars.

  17. appdreamin

    August 28, 2012 at 10:37 am

    The win in Columbia was indeed in 1975. We won 39-34, I think it was, behind Robbie Price, Emmitt Hamilton, et. al. in the Brakefield wishbone. Essentially, we just out-scored them; neither D could stop the other O that day.

    But 1975 was prior to the 1-A/1-AA, FBS/FCS BS. And, I assume but do not know for sure, before the NCAA-mandated difference of 22 scholarships.

  18. MJT

    August 28, 2012 at 10:37 am

    AppBand and Logi,

    The win against USC in '75 is pointless since that game occurred before the Division I split in 1978. We were essentially in the same division at that time.

  19. LP AppFan

    August 28, 2012 at 10:40 am

    What about JJ?? I think he will step into that "star role" that everyone is talking about. This kid has all the tools to be one heck of a QB! ]

    Go Neers! BEAT EZU!!!!!!

  20. Greg (TIGMA)

    August 28, 2012 at 10:46 am

    I hope we can establish a respectable run game. Not a 3 or 4 here and there…explosive potential. K-Rich was our last dominant running back. Having someone who can do that adds a mountain of a wrinkle in a Scott Satterfield spread offense.

    Go Neers

  21. appaneer420

    August 28, 2012 at 11:12 am

    Brian Quick just had great interview with David Glenn on 99.9 the fan. It can be heard here… it's under hour 3 and starts around 25 minutes

  22. John C

    August 28, 2012 at 11:12 am


    It all hinges on the offensive line….

  23. AppfanJared

    August 28, 2012 at 11:13 am

    I do agree that Peacock can be a star, and Kimbrough definitely. I just haven't seen the star power yet. I just think we're lacking the game-time to prove me wrong, but I don't see any stars yet. Hopefully I'll change my mind on Sunday. Either way, I'm cheering for the Apps. We can win this one. Our QB is mounds better, and I think JJ could take that star role in a heartbeat. Despite how well Armanti and Richie ran the offense, along with DP, I still think that Jackson is our best PASSER. That doesn't mean he was the best quarterback for this offense, but he was the best PASSER by far. I really hope that Satterfield helps him with his legs. He doesn't have to be the dominant rusher that AE, DP, or Richie was, but being able to run the option and be a weapon is important.

  24. Jamey

    August 28, 2012 at 11:20 am

    How dare anyone mention star-power in this program and fail to mention Mr. 828 Jim Bob Norman!

    I still laugh when I see that dude on Under The Lights after the Michigan game. You have to love anyone who will rock an 828 hat on the sidelines to show love to Boone.

  25. Nick

    August 28, 2012 at 11:29 am

    Beat ECU!!! It's statement time!!! Will be watching for updates here in Dublin Ireland….. Wearing my AppState gear all week!!!!! Proud to be a Mountaineer!!!!

  26. wer4asu

    August 28, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    We are heading up friday from hendersonville not bringing the talgating gear just a prius so space is limited any ideas on a tailgate that would accomidate two die hard app fans?

  27. Russ

    August 28, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    aerotight I have a parking pass for Belk Zone #3 which may mean that area is resricted to parking passes only…I predict a 31-18 win.they may be deeper, but they are dumber and less fit, that mountain air is helps us build more redblood cells, and more improtantly the winters make us tougher. Saterfield is going to tear up their defensive schemes…side note our alternate throwback uniforms earned an A+ grade from, I hope we wear them Saturday.Go APP!!

  28. sixtoes9134

    August 28, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    I hope the defense doesn't get carved up on the ground early, because that will make Rio's job a little easier.

    If we can contain the run game and get to Rio some to shake him up, I like our chances to compete.

  29. Stuck in Lodi

    August 28, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    We could have another superstar wearing #14. Watch Sean Price. He could be the real deal for 4 years!

  30. AppOrange

    August 28, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    Its been a long time since football, and I have read, watched, listened, to everything I can to get ready for this fall, but for some reason this thread brought it home that we are very close . . . the next 3 days are going to poke by.

    With that said, I dont know what to think; tons of potential, but tons of questions. I just hope we can be competitive in the first quarter . . .

  31. Go Pirates

    August 28, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    Hahaha Monster AppFan… Cranberry Vodka and Temporary tattoos??? You remind me of my 8th grade girlfriend

  32. Apple+At+Chin

    August 28, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    I don't know if this has been covered already (it probably has) but is the game going to be on TV (in the Raleigh area) or only available on espn3?

  33. bigasufan

    August 28, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    Is the game not on any channel or on the net anywhere in the state of NC. I have seen that several Alum groups throughout the state are having viewing parties, but there is no broadcast channel carrying the game nor is either GOASU or ECU's site. How are these Alum sites getting a feed of the game?

  34. The Beatings Will Co

    August 28, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    Monster App Fan… please tell me you are a woman.

    Temporary tattoos… cranberry vodkas.. CRANBERRY VODKAS???

    Come on man.

  35. aerotight31

    August 28, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    "aerotight I have a parking pass for Belk Zone #3 which may mean that area is resricted to parking passes only…"

    Thanks Russ! That lot is for the Belk Residence Hall, I believe. The lot I was referring to is the Belk Bldg, which is on the opposite side of the stadium at the intersection of Charles and Greenville Blvds. According to the ECU website, it is general parking for game days.

  36. Dr. Gonzo

    August 28, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    Go Pirates is a pedophile.


  37. Mominator

    August 28, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    Love Jim Bob Norman!! He was my twin sons roommate for years. He worked his tail off with no scholarship money-just for the pure enjoyment of the game. We could use a little of his inspiration about now!

  38. gvegaspirate

    August 28, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    Glad to see there's still a good supply of weed and moonshine being cultivated in the mountains around Boone. LOL!!!

  39. Cruedaddy

    August 28, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    Hope your team gets to gville early and gets some rest…don't want to hear any of you guys complaining about "tractor-lag" after the game.

  40. bigasufan

    August 28, 2012 at 2:16 pm

    APP-ECU game is on (Charter) Fox Sports South Yepeeeee! I so happy!

  41. Apple+At+Chin

    August 28, 2012 at 2:16 pm


    Can anyone answer my question and bigasufans question? I would love to watch the game on tv instead of the internet. Plus, I don't have an xbox or know anyone with an xbox…we all have ps3s so if playstation can't get it, I'm out of luck… 🙁

    Bigasufan…do you know if any viewing parties are going on in the Raleigh/Cary area?

  42. Apple+At+Chin

    August 28, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    Thanks bigasufan! Now I have to figure out if crappy time warner carries the game…gosh I miss my dish network…

  43. AppStateCentral

    August 28, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    We will be talking about the App vs. ECU match-up LIVE tonight at 7:30!! Listen LIVE here:

    We also have an interview with WR Coach Justin Stepp talking about the progress of the wide receivers.

  44. Dr. Gonzo

    August 28, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    gvegaspirate prefers to drink in downtown Greenville where dodging bullets is the favorite drinking game. High crime rate, low IQ: The EZU Butt Pirates.

    App by 10 points.

  45. GoAppFan

    August 28, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    I hope us App Hillbillies don't embarrass ourselves Saturday!

  46. Ways1

    August 28, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    Aerotight31 … I believe I have heard somewhere that we are opening up a parking lot across from the baseball stadium for ASU fans to tailgate in. Not sure as – haven't heard this lately. If true, it looks to be a great tailgate area. Tree coverage and not a bad trek to the stadium there either. Price is unknown as well, may be around $10-20 per car is my guess. Belk is not a bad place either.

    App keeps it close thru first 40 mins then turnovers get them .. Pirates 30, Mounties 17

  47. Ways1

    August 28, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    Aerotight31 … I believe I have heard somewhere that we are opening up a parking lot across from the baseball stadium for ASU fans to tailgate in. Not sure as – haven't heard this lately. If true, it looks to be a great tailgate area. Tree coverage and not a bad trek to the stadium there either. Price is unknown as well, may be around $10-20 per car is my guess. Belk is not a bad place either.

    App keeps it close thru first 40 mins then turnovers get them .. Pirates 40, Mounties 17

  48. bigasufan

    August 28, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    App will score often and easily! But so will ECU just because of our lack of experience on the defense. Score will be wait for wait for it App 42 ECU 43

  49. GoAppFan

    August 28, 2012 at 4:11 pm

    Thinking about coming down the mtn to go to the game …. are alot of us going to actually be there??

  50. aerotight31

    August 28, 2012 at 4:24 pm

    Thank you for the info, ways1. When I came up for the last game, I had to park near Greenville and Elm. That walk sucked! We'll probably get up there around 8:30, so I'll just go down Charles and look for a lot.

  51. Ways1

    August 28, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    aerotight31 ,, e-me and we can meet before the game. I have 2 couples of App fans joining me. We are right behind the pressbox area . I dont have a thing to do with what happens on the field, but I can manage the fun we have 🙂

    See you there.

  52. alice

    August 28, 2012 at 5:29 pm


    siding with the enemy now? I will call Dad Ways.

  53. Gump

    August 28, 2012 at 5:40 pm

    I'm looking to purchase a parking pass in the Raley or Duncan lot for any/all home games. With two in college I can't swing the Yosef rates.

  54. Pirate Fan

    August 28, 2012 at 8:10 pm

    App Fans,

    Sorry about some fellow Pirates throwing around some tasteless jokes; everyone is a bit amped up for the beginning of the season.

    Looking forward to having ya'll in Greenville, should be a good game. Don't know a whole lot about your team this season except that you guys are a bit young. Good luck, but I don't think you guy will be walking away with a dub this year; IMHO this is one of the best looking teams in years, especially on defense. The only ??? is Rio under the helm, but if Rio performs, it's gonna be a pretty solid victory for the guys in Royal Purple and Bold Gold!



  55. uugtaz

    August 28, 2012 at 8:11 pm

    You guys are crazy! Who is going to cover Justin Jones?

  56. uugtaz

    August 28, 2012 at 8:15 pm

    Hillbillies quit living in the past. Mich. is over, We have beat the likes of Miami, WVU, VT all when they were ranked. WVU was #5 as well. Also plenty of Big East and ACC teams have come to the Boneyard and left with a loss. It should be fun but you all should be realist.

  57. mtd Security

    August 28, 2012 at 8:35 pm

    Georgia Southern is #3???? No quarter back, so lets go with a two players at the same time: sophomore Ezayi Youyoute nor junior Jerick McKinnon.

    Here is the webpage where you can read the article.

    What do you think?? Will this work?? Does it matter in an offense that just runs with the triple option?

  58. Monster Appfan

    August 29, 2012 at 3:29 am

    Seeing if anyone is paying attention.

    Black A hat with tractor mesh on back – check

    Moonshine and sausage for breakfast – check

    Ticket ordered back in march now tucked deeply in pocket – check

    Revenge based attitude -check

    Still looking for the temporary tattoo – ha

    Need that o-line to getter done.

  59. Russ

    August 29, 2012 at 4:38 am

    Here is what I know, EZU has had several little injuries throughout the preseason, and their players continue to be distracted by Gville gangstas and by college life. They even had a player run off the road last week falling asleep at the wheel with a girlfriend in the car. If you are truely focused these things should not happen. I predict we are up by 21 by half time, 1 TD from interception, and we win 31-18.

    Here is what is great though, ECU fans are good fans, they are typically very welcoming, and only jibe with good sportsmanship and rivalry in mind. I hope we all extend to them our Mountain share your moonshine, watagua coolaid, etc and let us all have one hell of a game. GO APP!

  60. Russ

    August 29, 2012 at 4:52 am

    also…ECU has a TOUGH opening schedule, they play South Carolina, So. Miss then Carolina…I would not be surprised if much of their defensive practice the last 3 weeks has been to prep for the next 2 offenses they play especially when you consider who the defensive coordinator is. He knows he is going against Shawn Elliots O-line next game, and Spurriers play calling

  61. Jamey

    August 29, 2012 at 5:20 am

    This is gonna be one of the best games in the nation during kickoff week. While it may not be on the radar like some of the "big schools" we are dealing with 2 young teams that have a lot of athleticism. You have 2 coaching staffs that know each other well and share a lot of their philosphies on play. My keys to the game are as follows:

    > App State O-Line MUST creates holes for the running game and protection for JJ in the passing game.

    > App State defense MUST close the deal on 3rd downs.

    > App State MUST come out hard and early.

    > ECU QB must establish himself early. Given their uncertainty at that position, this will be important to keeping his team's confidence

    > ECU defense must contain JJ and eliminate the deep ball

  62. Russ

    August 29, 2012 at 5:33 am

    you are on point Jamey…I think ECU may actually have issues at QB based on the competition they had and in deciding the position, but that also means if Rio is doing poorly they have a guy who took almost as many reps in preseason as the stater to come in and take over….flashback to ASU situation when armanti was out against ECU. Ruffin is also quite concerned about our Oregon transfer, which may play to our advantage as he may take the focus off our other great receivers, and hold the d backs and linebackers long enough to establish a run game

  63. Brad

    August 29, 2012 at 5:35 am

    Here is a link to the viewing parties for the game

    App tailgate will be here, $18 advance admission, more on game day

    Go APP, Sink the Ship!

  64. Mike

    August 29, 2012 at 6:33 am

    Off subject. Want to see if anyone is driving their truck to ECU. I need to get a piece of equipment down there this weekend if at all possible. It will save me a trip next week. It is a small bouncer unit and 3 blowers. Offering to pay $50 for your gas. I will meet you where ever you'd like in Greenville.$50 cash.

    Email me at

  65. appbeallucanbe

    August 29, 2012 at 7:56 am

    Think the TV coverage is on FCSA, channel 534 on Time Warner Cable.

  66. Appthunder90

    August 29, 2012 at 8:06 am

    Dont know about fcsa but the game will also be on sportssouth

  67. Apple+At+Chin

    August 29, 2012 at 8:09 am

    Appbeallucanbe…you just made my day! Thanks!

  68. asugrad

    August 30, 2012 at 6:30 am

    @ "go pirates" your eighth grade girlfriend…. Don't you think that's a bit young…. Sleezy U… I would like to think you meant your girlfriend when you were in eighth grade but considering you either live in grenville go to sleezy U or just the fact you cheer for them I'm guessing not… Go App! Give em' hell!

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