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CoCo was a no goPicture it. Greenville. September. Two thousand and nine. App State. ECU. Playing football. /Sophia Petrillo voice

What most people remember – Behind its 3rd(!) string QB, App State scores 17 straight points in the fourth quarter in an effort that was five points too little, 29-24.

What we remember – App State was embarrassed in the first half. ECU easily scored TDs on it first two possessions (total 9 plays to cover 111 yards), while holding the Mountaineers to four or fewer yards on six of seven possessions (Four were zero or negative yardage).

If not for a lack of proper hydration by the Pirates – Bobby Boucher tried to warn you! – we doubt the second half would have been as dramatic.

Fast forward to 2011. App and ECU shared a common foe, in back-to-back weeks even. And the comparison is just as embarrassing.

Virginia Tech 66, App State 13.

Virginia Tech 17, ECU 10.

Ugh.

All that said, App State is starting 2012 with what it didn’t have last year or in the ’09 game – An established starter at QB.

There’s also the Satterfield mojo, and a larger – though somewhat green – offensive line.

The Pirates will be deeper, but the D has just been awful recently.

So we gotta ask – who ya got Saturday?

And here’s your over/under – Victory margin in the contest: 14.

51 Comments

  1. ASUGoose

    August 29, 2012 at 11:25 am

    3 ECU WR are suspended for the game Saturday… load up the box and make them beat us in the air!!

    http://www.ecupirates.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-re

  2. ASUGoose

    August 29, 2012 at 11:26 am

    App 31

    EZU 24

    GO 'NEERS!

  3. AppfanJared

    August 29, 2012 at 11:27 am

    I'm still taking App, regardless of any stats. I have to say the Neers will pull it out.

    As far as the over/under? I'm saying over. This will be a tough game. This isn't the Appalachian team that took down Michigan. We're far from that point now. I do believe that we still have the ability to compete with ANY team, but winning against an FBS team will always be tricky. This App team is a bit more well-rounded than 09 because of DP's lack of success in that game. If our boys go into this thinking they can win and playing like winners, they'll be leaving EZU as the winners.

    Final score: App 28, EZU 27

  4. nomadb

    August 29, 2012 at 11:28 am

    Anybody know what the all time record in App vs ECU is…..dating back prior to the division split

  5. Dan

    August 29, 2012 at 11:30 am

    Jared – i think you meant under.

    I will go Wilbon on this and push. I have no idea what to expect from this team, and while ECU doesn't appear to be that strong, I don't know that the same can't be said of us. Just based on scholarship count, i would think 14 would be a reasonable cover.

  6. Luke Hutchinson

    August 29, 2012 at 11:36 am

    ECU wrs Dayon Arrington, Antonio Cannon & Danny Webster suspended for opener. Violation of team rules.

    according to Jeff Gravley, WRAL.

  7. MTN

    August 29, 2012 at 11:48 am

    None of those recievers are starters or listed on their depth chart…I wouldn't look too far into the suspension actually having an impact on the game.

  8. MJT

    August 29, 2012 at 11:52 am

    nomadb,

    Find the App media guide online and you should be able to pull up the year by year records. It will take you a few minutes but you can probably find it relatively quickly.

  9. ASUGoose

    August 29, 2012 at 11:53 am

    I think one of them had over 40 receptions last year… I would assume he would get playing time this year.

  10. Rusty

    August 29, 2012 at 11:57 am

    If app comes out with a sense of entitlement, like the recent past, we will get blown out. We aren't better than this team, but could possibly manage to pull out a W by playing a complete game with few mistakes and a couple of breaks. I hope i am wrong, but Michigan aside, has App really shown they could compete at the next level?

  11. AppOrange

    August 29, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    Over, down by 17 at the half, final :

    ECU 34

    ASU 24

  12. danner

    August 29, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    What has the work ethic been this year? In 2007, we were on a mission from God. We played the Michigan fight song in the weight room at full blast. Our players wanted it. I don't know enough about this squad. If we win, it will be because of a return to hard work, tempo, and Scott Satterfield. It will because we can get the plays in on time. But we traditionally do stupid things in big games, like fumble the first snap, shank punts, miss PATs. Does anyone have a sense of what the mojo is genuinely like this year?

  13. SpeedkingATL

    August 29, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    I think this App team has more overall talent than the teams of the last two years and it will have much better offensive coaching than the last few years. Very young in the trenches on both sides of the ball but somehow I think the Apps will play ECU tough. Not going to predict a win but do think they will keep it within 9-12 points. Hope to be mildly surprised with an App victory.

  14. Clubber Lang

    August 29, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    My Prediction?

    Pain.

    ECU is stoopid, dey come straight ahead. Dey tailor-made fuh meh.

  15. Dr. Gonzo

    August 29, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    I've been waiting for Clubber Lang for8 months….

    AAAAAPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  16. Max

    August 29, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    All time record ASU 19-11.

    Last time we played I thought they were better than us….This time if they do not beat us the Pirate Nation will start calling for Ruffin's head. The last time we played they had a 5th or 6th year Sr. at QB…this time we have the experience at QB….

    We got a shot but we HAVE to run the football and I just do not know if we can do that!

    Go APPS!

  17. appfantoo

    August 29, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    Welcome back Clubber.

    You know it is officially time for football when Clubber Lang shows up!

    Under.

  18. Apple+At+Chin

    August 29, 2012 at 1:26 pm

    It brings a tear to my eye to hear/read those words again from clubber. It's football time!!!!

    STTTAAAAATTTTEEEE!!

  19. NO.2

    August 29, 2012 at 1:45 pm

    nomadb-

    I believe it is 19-11 in our favor.

  20. Gwaltineer

    August 29, 2012 at 2:30 pm

    The 2009 App team was better than the 2009 ECU team. WE'd have won by 14 with Armanti.

    I'm picking ECU by 10, but we show some good signs.

  21. Stressn

    August 29, 2012 at 2:49 pm

    Remember Remember the first of September.

    APP 24

    ECU 16

  22. AppInMD

    August 29, 2012 at 3:28 pm

    I live in MD. No FSN here. ECU doesn't look to be showing the game. Does anyone know if the game will be streaming online anywhere?

    Go Apps!

  23. bigjohn

    August 29, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    38-34 Good guys.

    Many ECU fans will be classless– that's a pretty good bet either way.

  24. Appraider

    August 29, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    AppInMD, the Appstate Alum is having a viewing at Summer's Sports Bar in Arlington, VA.

  25. appdreamin

    August 29, 2012 at 4:30 pm

    We have the all-time lead, but wasn't the last time we beat ECU way back in 1975, pre-1A/1AA days? And that was in Boone.

    I expect ECU to win easily, and probably by a bunch more than 14.

  26. Walker10

    August 29, 2012 at 5:07 pm

    Did anyone else just see us on cfb daily on epsn? We got a thumbs up for the Yosef throwback unis we are wearing this year. They did a segment on new uniforms.

  27. Walker10

    August 29, 2012 at 5:09 pm

    ** espn **

  28. AppInMD

    August 29, 2012 at 6:22 pm

    Appraider

    Thanks. I'll try to get there.

  29. section212

    August 29, 2012 at 6:24 pm

    I think our fast-pace offense will catch them off-guard and chew up some yardage, but we've got to sustain drives and get points on the board, which will also keep their offense off the field. Hopefully, they're studying game tape from last year with that ridiculous play calling – thank goodness we have SS back.

    What scares me about them is that big o-line. Hoping they don't run it down our throats, which I think they'll try to do with an inexperienced QB. We can pull off, but need to get a +2 in the turnover margin and put up at least 30 pts.

    Mountain Men 32

    EZU Stoners 28

  30. bigasufan

    August 29, 2012 at 7:07 pm

    It all depends on how much pot the EZU team smokes the night before the game! That seems to be another teams excuse. Ha Ha

    It all depends on which App team takes the field. The 2011 team will get crushed. If there is a "new" atmosphere in the locker room and on the practice field with our 2012 team, and an atmosphere of toughness and willingness to give their all for App State which that existed in the N-C teams we will be difficult to beat.

  31. yogi86

    August 30, 2012 at 2:53 am

    Sorry, y'all are all dreaming. An upset would be nice, but we're not sneaking up on anybody. We scored 17 against ECU's scrubs two years ago. AE would have made a difference, no question, but pulling their starters is what kept that game close. 25 scholarships is a huge advantage to overcome in talent and more importantly depth. Anything is possible though, and I remain eternally optimistic!! Go Apps!!

  32. HOGAN

    August 30, 2012 at 3:33 am

    I agree with yogi. I dislike ECU as much as the next guy, but 2009 wasn't some miraculous comeback as much as it was "hey we are schlacking these guys, let's throw in the scout team on D".

    If ECU doesn't screw around and just place hard-nose, ball up the middle football, they will beat us bad. Not Virginia tech bad, but bad.

    That said, I hope ECU is too dumb to do that and goes to the air. And we bring the pain.

    27-22 ASU!

  33. MtnMan91

    August 30, 2012 at 4:00 am

    25 scholarship players is a huge deficit to overcome. I think 1st string we have the talent and nearly the size to compete and even beat ECU, but in the 3rd anf 4th quarters after nearly 2 ours in the brutal Greenville heat (high near 90 on Saturday) ECU's depth will win the day.

    I think we're in for an opposite showing from 2009. App-17 ECU-10 at the half. App-20 ECU-34 final.

  34. JonW

    August 30, 2012 at 4:33 am

    It all hinges on the success of Ron Satterfield.

  35. Deano

    August 30, 2012 at 4:38 am

    Yogi,

    Not sure we were watching the same game, what I saw is that ASU was conditioned much better that day in 2009, the whole second half, ECU was bent over grasping from breath trying to catch a fresh Cadet who was easily scrambling in the pocket. I know if the game had of just been three minutes longer we would have won. ECU had mentally cut off the go button at half time and they could not turn it back on again.

  36. AppfanJared

    August 30, 2012 at 4:50 am

    Dan-Thanks. I did mean under.

    It finally feels like football time! I was wondering when Clubber would show up! I can't wait to get the year started on the right foot.

    Has anyone seen an AppState depth chart? I can only find a roster. I'm curious to see our order.

  37. Dixiedawg80

    August 30, 2012 at 5:00 am

    Welcome back Clubber! It's been a long time my friend. Welcome back.

  38. happyappy11

    August 30, 2012 at 5:03 am

    Call me cynical, but can we just not get hurt too bad before Montana? Ill be real honest, my head says its better to beat ECU, but my heart wants to crush the Grizz more. No disrespect to either team.

    28-17 eazyU over AppSt.

  39. John C

    August 30, 2012 at 5:07 am

    Everyone:

    To say we didn't have an established QB last year is a bit of a stretch….especially in light of the fact that DP was the reigning socon player of the year. Let's face it….as much as we hope it isn't so, the problem this year will be the same as last year….namely, an inexperienced o-line. Give Jackson time to throw and Chisholm some room to run, and we'll be fine…but i just don't see it happening, at least not yet. My sense is that this team will struggle in the early games, and get better as the season goes along…..translating to 8-3 and a play-off birth. Past that….it's all gravy.

    Can we win Saturday…..of course. Will we….in the end we'll need a lot of breaks.

  40. human being

    August 30, 2012 at 5:15 am

    Satterfield has to score on each touch…I am looking for a high scoring game and App 42 – ECU 35. If we don't score on every possession we will have a hard time beating an FBS team. (MORE DEPTH) I HOPE AND PRAY SATTERFIELD IS THE DIFFERENCE. We have talent and now we have an OC that knows how to use the talent. Our offensive line is not our talent. I think you will see the spread back in its vengeance.

    P.S. if we don’t win it will not be Satterfield’s fault he has not had enough time to make our offense as potent as it once was….but he will get it done by playoff time.

  41. Joe

    August 30, 2012 at 5:15 am

    Jared, take a look at this for the depth chart:

    http://appstatecentral.com/content/asu-releases-o

  42. ceez

    August 30, 2012 at 5:17 am

    Element of surprise ended when we upset Michigan. NO TEAM will take us lightly. Especially one that has a former ASU coach. We will not lose by a lot, because ECU isn't that great. I do think we will be 0-1 after week one though.

    ECU 31

    ASU 17

  43. AppfanJared

    August 30, 2012 at 5:25 am

    Thanks for the update, Joe! That helped a ton.

  44. Russ

    August 30, 2012 at 6:43 am

    I think we will be surprised. If we score more thn 30 we will win. I predicted 31-17 a couple of days ago and that still seems abour right. 21 in the first with a defensive TD, and 10 in the second. Ruff has to think about his starters a bit. Especially with SC, So. Miss, Carolina, and Utep as their next 4 games. Especially with the temp on the field reaching mid 90's. It will be a blazer so bring your coppertone kids. It will also be humid as hell becaus we have had rain here in the east for the past 2 weeks daily, and not much sun to evaporate it out of the ground. Friday and Sat will be the first real chances.

  45. Yogi86

    August 30, 2012 at 8:46 am

    @Deano

    I was there 2 years ago and after halftime when it was 27-7, the starters for ECU were out. We still didn't score on the scrubs with our starters until the 4th quarter when they were a little gassed. No need to kid ourselves, it all comes down to talent and depth. We need a few good breaks and some turnovers by the pirates to be converted into TDs to win.

  46. Deano

    August 30, 2012 at 8:59 am

    Yogi I see what you were saying and maybe they did sub in their 2nd string on defense, I know on offense they had the same skilled players that they started the game with. Their QB didn't look impressive the entire game. They had a good running back but in the second half he couldn't seem to get free. I was there too and I will never forget how hot it was that day. Even having said all of that they aren't that much bigger than us and in many positions you can say we are faster. Even though they have more scholarship players than we do, it will come down to who wants it more on that day and who has properly prepared themselves to play.

  47. Chris

    August 30, 2012 at 9:26 am

    Everyone is comparing ECU to the way they were in 2009, 2010, and 2011. This is a total new year. In 2009, ECU's former coach Skip Holtz played a conservative brand of football, from what I understand he let off the gas in the 2nd half, then in the 4th quarter we were not hydrated properly. Some major difference now is Ruffin McNeil, Lincoln Riley, and John Wiley (hmm wonder if anyone App fan has ever heard of him???)run a different offense a more aggresive offense that if working properly will score lots of points. ECU is now in its 3rd year in the system but the quarterback is only played minimally and is untested on game day, so that is a toss up on who as the edge.

    2. John Wiley, we have him now as the associate head coach, I am sure he knows a little about how ASU plans and will give ECU cheat notes on how to stop Moore and ASU.

    3. Strength and Conditioning Coordinator- Back in 2009, ECU had Mike Golden, although with Golden ECU won 2 back to back C-USA championships, beat Boise St, Virgina Tech, and West Virginia, he Strength and Conditioning was based on power and power lifting. His problem was that his teams were strong and brutal and tough to break but by the 4th quarter, many of the players became tired. This happened a lot under his tenure, including almost losing to Boise St after jumping to a big lead in 2007.

    Now ECU has gotten Jeff Connors back, a former Pirate for 10 years in the 1990s during Bill Lewis and Steve Logan's era, who in the 1990s had a reputation for being some of the best conditioned 4th quarter teams, especially in 1996. ECU was know to do a lot of 4th quarter comeback when he was there the first time, He left to go to UNC from 2000-2010 and returned back to ECU for the 2011 season. His Strength and Conditioning philosophy is more Marine like, he believes he strength and endurance, and is the type of Strength and Conditioning coach that BCS school would love to have. I have heard that he is practically punishing the 2012 ECU team for 2009's mistakes, to make sure those things don't happen under his watch.

    4. Defense- Do not be surprised if the defense is a lot better than App fans expect. Why? yes in 2010, ECU had the worst 120 of 120 rank, but they had lost almost all of their core 1st string defensive guys to either the NFL draft, graduation or other issues. I think ECU lost close to 30 players in 2010. ECU played decent defense in the first half of the season and then were plagued by injuries. Last year, the defense improved dramatically was ranked in the 60s in total defense. This year, the defense is a veteran team and many believe the defensive will be the star this year for ECU.

    The 3 Wide receivers that have been suspended, 1 is a star Wide receiver the others are suppose to be good but haven't played for ECU yet. However, ECU is not hurting in terms of wide receivers.

    Appalachian does have a more stable offense due to the quarterback concerns, and App can beat anybody and I respect that but sources have said to me that ECU remember 2009, R. McNeil and Wiley respect App and Coach Moore so much that they are not taking App for granted and want to prove that point by not letting of the gas.

  48. asu7

    August 30, 2012 at 9:31 am

    Bring it captain hook!

    I say it is going to be closer than what you think … purple pirates … shouldn't that be a tv show on lifetime or something?

  49. Deano

    August 30, 2012 at 9:35 am

    Chris,

    Thanks for that extensive run down of the evolution of ECU football. I am interested to see ECU's new spread offense, because like you say they have changed alot since we played last. Thank God we have our star Offensive coach back this year in Scott Satterfield so I am sure he will put in a few plays that John Wiley and Ruff have never seen App run. The battle will be won in the trenches and I for one am excited as heck to be going to Greenville on Saturday. At least you guys are man enough to put us on your schedule.

  50. Russ

    August 30, 2012 at 10:20 am

    chris great rundown of the team..strength and conditioning hindered you guys all season last season, so I am sure it was mad a priority for this year. wiley was not with us when we started running a 3-4 d, so that may not matter as much, and I still think they are prepping more for the sc and so miss games, because they both(ruffin and wiley) think they know us so well.

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