Marketing – “There’s a branding group in place and they’re trying to define what is FCS football and what isn’t. What are we going to do, where are we going to be? The conversation’s been going on for 10 years and it probably will for another 10.” As for makin’ like Jeffersons, nuttin’ new – “If we can find an FBS home that meets the specifics that we’ve talked about here … we need to be in a league with rivals, the geography needs to meet. And we’ve put some conditions on it.”
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That is the way it should be. I see no reason for us to go broke by moving up. I see no reason to move up unless we can be real big dogs. I am glad that we have conditions. That means we have standards. You shouldn't jump into bed with the first thing that comes along. You should set your standards and not commit until you find what you want.
Well said. Everyone is criticizing Cobb and Peacock for not taking a blind leap into any conference that will have us.
FACT: Football generates more money for a university than any other sport.
FACT: Most college football programs LOSE money.
Makes me proud of our administration for sticking to their guns.
Agreed 100%
AppWyo +1
What conference would you prefer we move up to?
Plus 2 Wyo., Well said.
A big thank you from the captains of the football team. Classy baby!
http://www.goasu.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=2…
Classy is right! I've got a good feeling about this team and it's only getting stronger.
wow thats awesome…never woulda seen this from last years squad
+1 robert
I think we should join the ACC. Plenty of natural rivals there. Let’s do it
That would mean there would be four games closer to my house than a home game in Boone.
I’ll assume your desire to join the ACC is a joke (will never happen) – other conferences?
The one option that I’m sure has been on the table–not joking here–is the WAC. That league is out of available options west if Texas, so it has looked east. I think it is wise that App hasn’t taken that bait. Too far away, and it is the poster child for conference instability, even more so than the Big East.
Hasn't WAC said they are done with football?
The Mountain West formed out of the WAC for a reason. It was too big and the natural rivalries didn't exist anymore.
yes, this is the final year of wac football
Don’t see Cobb hanging around much longer. If NC State comes a calling, he’s gone.
State hired Yow and all of their programs made the top 25. Why would State call?
I do agree that we need to find a good situation for us to move up, one that benefits us, at the same time we don't need to be sitting on our hands, as we all know our location hurts us, this can be improved by good marketing, educating those people making the decisions and improving Boone's infrastructure to include, roads, hotels and expand the local airport so that bigger planes can fly in. Yes it takes a visionary to do these things but nothing good comes easy.
Cobb was told by Peacock that closed mouth gathers no foot. Peacock is distancing himself. Cobb ain’t going back to nc state, they do not want him or his wife. Cobbs only chance is to move out to another school.
Everytime this article runs about FBS or rivals etc. People get tired of hearing it and they start losing people.
+1 Murray
Let's just enjoy the fact that its finally football season and the 'neers are giving us much to cheer about.
Didn't we get our fill or FBS rumors and prevarications over the summer?
Holy crap…. Not this same discussion again…. This topic is so worn out it's not even funny
What if we created our own conference: The Great Eight
App State
GaSo
James Madison
Delaware
Troy
Marshall
Middle Tennessee
*either Western Kentucky or Coastal Carolina depending on the best TV Market—- or the big win would be ECU.
Gives us strong regional rivalries …good football…mix of current FBS and FCS. Decent basketball league…and above avg. baseball. That media package could be sold across NC…VA…WVA…GA…AL…TN…and potentially KY…SC. Fox Sportsouth could buy it…or IMG might put something together and sell it to strong regional outlets. Help me out here.
Don't believe Delaware is interested in going anywhere. They like the position of being a big fish in the small pond. I still believe CUSA isn't out of the question and we are waiting on the fallout of the Big XII & Big East movement. I think that is ASU's opportunity to move. Considering they will not be eligible for FBS until 2015 the possibility exists that ASU could be in CUSA before Charlotte. Marshall isn't going anywhere, so the eastern part of CUSA could look something like ASU, Charlotte, FIU, JMU, Marshall, MTSU, ODU & WKU.
I don't think CUSA is out of the question for ASU and it makes the most sense to meet your AD requirements. While many Charlotte fans are anti App in CUSA I am ok with it. On one side it has been kind of fun knowing that you all basically told us the whole thing was pointless, we would never succeed and here we are in an FBS league ahead of you all and that has certainly stoked a potential rivalry, but on the other hand I really do think that the trio of ASU, Charlotte and ECU would start chipping away at the ACC jock sniffing that happens all over this state. I hate the ACC above all else and if the three of us can have solid local rivalries while at the same time taking some shots at ACC royalty what's not to like about that? I also see App/Charlotte as a pretty intense rivalry.
There are some rumors swirling that we may look to go ahead and move up in 2014 because ODU has lost all but us on their 2014 schedule and that they may try to enter CUSA early and since the league wanted us both at the same time we could petition to enter a year early as UTSA did with the WAC. I really have no idea how that will play out.
The main points of contention it seems to me would be
1. App's location – which we have all talked about. While a negative I don't think its a deal breaker.
2. Basketball attendance – While I think App should have more people in the stands, looking at who they have added I don't see how this would block you (FIU brought only 1000 people on average, ASU brought 1700 – but next lowest was USM at 3700).
3. Overall AD budget – Just got to spend more to get inline with the programs in the conference and invest in sports besides football, our budget was already higher without football
4. Research Level – Admin not the AD makes the final call on these and with the conference being made up of all phd/research level institutions that would be a hurdle, but again I don't think its impossible based on App's strong undergrad rep.
The good news for ya'll is that it looks like App is bringing in almost 3 million in contributions, which is up from 1M in 2006. That 3 M mark puts you in the ball park of the rest of the eastern side of the league with ECU leading the way at almost 5M. FIU raised only 415k last year. Charlotte raised 3.1M which isn't bad, but that is down from 5.7M we raised in 2006 – the move to the A10 has crushed our giving. So to me the real question is to get your AD budget up by about 10M to put you in the average area of CUSA schools, where does that money come from? Can you get more out of your donor base? Or do you raise student fees?
WIth ND moving out of the Big East today, they are going to have to do something to end the hemorrhaging, either by adding more schools or merging with another conference in trouble (WAC?) It would be foolish not to think that there are such contingency plans in place by the BE brass..then again they've let PITT, 'Cuse, ND, and West Virginia leave. If ECU gets an invice to the BE and they take it, the C-USA scenario might still be plausible.
This alignment is going to go all the way down the ladder, once the FBS leagues get their stuff straightened out, it'll be our turn, and then probably after that they'll be schools (my money's on Gardner Webb and Coastal Carolina) to replenish the SOCON ranks and any other FCS conferences with holes.
To be plainly honest, I don’t care where we end up. As for now, I’m happy with the idea of staying in FCS. I understand that the FBS schools typically generate revenue, but from a fan’s standpoint, I like playoffs. I don’t want a compensatory bowl game. I want a chance to earn my championship – not be hand-picked for it. The BCS is moving toward playoffs, yes, but we have no idea how long that will take.
First of all NC State is not gonna call Cobb. They already have a top notch AD. Second, you cannot form a new FBS conference. 3rd- WAC has eliminated Football.
Our only FBS options are MAC, C-USA and SunBelt and there would have to be some movement from the latter two.
Jeez people. How many times do we have to go through the same scenarios.
I like the playoffs, but I would like a more meaningful regular season better. I do not understand those who embrace a reg season filled with Wofford, The Citadel, Samford, Elon, UTC, Western and Furman along with the obligatory who cares game or two with Coastal, Presbyterian, Gardner Webb, Jacksonville or NC Central ect just to get to the playoffs. So we played Montana this year and will do so again next season and then McNeese in two years. That one game per season doesn't make up for the others.
I hear lots of comments that a new FBS conference can not be formed, but I have yet to see official documentation from the NCAA that specificially states it. Like the rumor that spread last year about another FCS to FBS moratorium these things have a way of creating a life of their own.
I see how it is good to have standards and criteria, but let's be honest, it's not like we have a lot to bring to the table other than a successful FCS-level program. The FBS level wants television markets, exposure, etc. And although you can make the argument that we are in the Charlotte market, which technically we are, UNCC already staked that claim with C-USA.
Unless you have a conference that wants to get into the actual state and tap into it's population, like a Big East or Sun Belt, maybe we have a chance, but look how ECU does…this is an ACC state, and UNC, NCSU, WF, and Duke will always have the lion's share of the viewers.
That's why we need to be in the ACC along with ECU.
The chances of App to the ACC are the same as Charlotte's and ECU's – ZERO. There is no benefit to the league to bringing us in and the power brokers (Chapel Hill and NC State) would not allow it unless the league was in the edge of collapse. Chapel Hill reportedly attempted to block our move to CUSA in the 90s. Chapel Hill will do no favors for ECU, App or Charlotte. They hold us all down with funding for academics and will exert the control they have to hold us down with athletics.
Why does Chapel Hill dislike us so much?
Would we even qualify academically to be in the ACC?
It's not happening…geographically it makes sense but it's not happening. With ND added, if anyone else goes to the ACC it'd either be Rutgers or UConn. NC is kinda saturated with the ACC..
Notre Dame to ACC in all sports but football.
I saw that – interesting part is they agree to play 5 ACC teams per year. So the ACC gets to have games vs. ND but ND doesn't have to give up their independence or TV deal. I guess as long as they get special treatment by the BCS whatever then there is no reason to fully join. I don't think it impacts the BE much as they need football schools so losing what ND brought is not that big of a deal.
Boom…here starts the domino effect as this is the nail in the coffin for the Big East…. You can say goodbye to Louisville and Cincy next which ultimately brings the Big East down to the same levels as MWC and CUSA….
App will be FBS by 2014 guaranteed.
L'ville has already been trying to leave – I don't see ND's departure as a major thing for them. Rutgers has actively courted the ACC but it looks like with ND's arrival that closes the door for them which is actually good for the BE because that means that they have lost a non-football school but kept another football school. I don't see the BE losing ND sports as a big deal for the rest of the league. It isn't like Cincy was thinking "we would like to leave but man ND basketball is just too awesome to walk away from".
Now if L'ville does bolt then that could start things. Cincy has not been mentioned as having a home anywhere so I doubt they go looking unless things start to fall apart. What I think App should hope for is the BE football/basketball split. If that happens CUSA loses more schools and boom there is your FBS opening. The only catch would be if the BE pulls all the schools that App's admin is wanting to be with. Also for App to be FBS by 2014 things have to shake out real fast – that exit fee out of the socon is what $600,000? Does it matter 1 year vs 2 year notice? When you entire athletic budget is 15M, the difference between say 600k and 300k is significant.
I absolutely think Louisville and/or Cincy thought very highly about having ND in the BE for everything except football. The fact that ND did leave should be a strong indicator that the BE is in seriously bad shape. Or else why would ND leave? It's not like they couldn't keep their football independence in the BE anyway….. But regardless, I don't think the deciding factor here is what Lousiville or Cincy think about ND football…. it is the reaction of the other conferences to want to add those schools now that ND has a new conference home. When ND will join a conference in football it would be the ACC more thank likely. This is what will start the domino effect again. I wouldn't be surprised if ND joins the ACC in football by 2016 as their contract with NBC runs out after 2015.
As far as the buyout for the SoCon, I don't think it matters…. You instantly get a bump in revenue by being in an FBS conference to counter the 300k delta. I don't think Charlie is going to balk at an FBS invite just to save 300k….
Fair enough – I also think UConn could be a major domino in things going crazy.
I agree as that could quite easily be the 16th member of the ACC. Rutgers as been thrown around as another viable option for the ACC for not only TV market but also academic standards.
Does that mean they will have to change the name of the ACC?
Good questions, AppWyo. Notre Dame is nowhere near the coast.
The RACC, The River and Atlantic Coast Conference.
The ACC name will not change. Most conference names are wrong geographically or have an inaccurate number at the end of it – BIG (insert number here)
This past spring, Cobb clearly stated on David Glenn's radio show that forming a new FBS conference had been thoroughly investigated and the interested parties determined that it wouldn't work.
I have previously posted we should only consider CUSA and not the SunBelt. After seeing the changes in the FBS landscape the last few months, I have now changed by opnion that SunBelt should be considered. Give us a chance to build our chops in FBS with an eye toward moving to CUSA in the future. I will admit not really contemplating how little FBS conferences would think of our television market. Right now, we could put 50,000 in the stand at the Rock and i don't think CUSA would care.
If we're serious about FBS, why not ACC?
Go big or go home. Just don't settle for less than the best. I would say don't move up if it isn't ACC or SEC
You all don't seriously think you have a shot at the ACC do you?
As cool as that would be – No way in hell that happens. Shouldn't even be considered – wate of time.
That is one person's misguided opinion and not that of most App State fans
<spits out drink> I suppose you want to be President or thought you could beat Usain Bolt since you beat your neighborhood friends in a foot race. You are delusional. How in your right mind do you think we have a shot at the ACC or SEC?
C-USA, Sun Belt, MAC are what we should be striving for and we have a HELL of a climb to get there (maybe Big East, but that is also a VERY VERY VERY slim chance).
We all know that the Big East is not done when it comes to losing teams…. they'll pick from CUSA. We end up in CUSA and I don't think ECU gets an invite because Big East will become a glorified basketball conference more so than a football dominant league. We all know how bad ECU is at basketball….
This is giving most of us a headache.
I just don't won't to get drunk go to bed with the most beautiful conference to only wake up in a conference where I have to chew my arm off to leave with something that Ajax won't take off.
Relax, "sigh." I'm no fan of moving up. I think we are right where we should be and I'm happy to stay here. I just wanted to here the pro-FBS crowd explain why moving up to C-USA or Sun Belt would be good but moving to the ACC would not be.
There is no point in talking about why going ACC would be good for us because it will never happen.
We've also beat a dead horse about why moving up to C-USA and Sun Belt would be positive for us. We do, although it very slim – have a chance to move up there.
I would rather play more competitive games with more recognition that would bring in more scholarships, fans, and money instead of being a big fish in a very old, small, and less relevant pond.
<I hope there aren't any more AppFan posts about FBS until there is a shot that we can actually move>
I think more competitive games is a load of BS. Look at Western Kentucky. If we were in the ACC we wouldn't have more competitive games in football than we do now.
Wrong. And please stop bringing up ACC. Playing games in FBS is more competitive with the likes of ECU and others compared to Western Carolina and Lenoir Rhyne.
Just think if we were to be in FBS, how much more money we would get paid to play the likes of Michigan, UGA, etc….
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/83…
Bigger picture, if we are FBS –
- more fans and attendance EVERY game
- more ticket sales
- more scholarships
- more exposure
All of this outweighs what we make playing a big FBS team ever year. If it didn't, we wouldnt be thinking about moving up inn the first place. Big picture / long term benefits here
Typos on touch screen device. Sorry.